Mosque going up in NYC building

[dre]

More like he still can't tear himself away from the thread or stop himself from posting.

Yeah, thats it.

[Guest American Woman]

Interesting new comments from an Imam from Holland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq-T7x1bDOI&feature=player_embedded#!

"That in Islam, anyone who mocks Islam, anyone that laughs about Islam, and degrads Islam, the punishment, whether it's a muslim or non-muslim, of mocking Islam is death."

Interesting. I'm just reading about it on Yahoo News now: Muslim cleric calls for beheading of Dutch politician

A well-known Australian Muslim cleric has called for the beheading of Dutch anti-Islamic politician Geert Wilders, a newspaper said on Friday.

The Sydney-born Muhammad has gained notoriety for, among other things, calling on young children to be radicalized and blaming rape victims for their own attacks.

The paper posted an English-language audio clip in which he refers to Wilders as "this Satan, this devil, this politician in Holland" and explains that anyone who talks about Islam like Wilders does should be executed by beheading.

I find this interesting, too: Wilders is currently on trial in the Netherlands for inciting hatred and discrimination against Muslims.

So Wilders is on trial, being held accountable for his actions, while apparently Imam Feiz Muhammad is free to incite his hatred. I realize two different countries are involved, but Australia does have hate laws too.

Edited to add: Polls show Wilders would win a new election if one were called now.

Edited September 4, 2010 by American Woman

[GostHacked]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Dead_horse_in_desert_close.jpg

You win again. Next time I am going to make you buy me a new monitor. Coffee is pretty damn hard to get off it sometimes.

[BubberMiley]

Spraypaint gets rid of coffee stains.

Edited September 4, 2010 by BubberMiley

[GostHacked]

This from the crybaby who posted in another thread: It's obvious you don't want to debate, or talk about a certain thing, you just like to troll and ridicule.

It was directed at a specific poster who has proven throught posts that he is, and he even admitted himself that he is a troll. If no one complained about the USA he'd have no reason to post here.

I stand by my statement.

Edited September 4, 2010 by GostHacked

[Oleg Bach]

Who are these Muslims? Ever looked into their background? Are you talking about the person who you quoted who makes regular appearances on Foxnews? The token so-called Muslim guy who will do or say whatever they want so that he gets paid? I looked at his web site and he's a one man show. He doesn't even have a membership for his group.

You are a bigot.

I am also a bigot. Muslims are everything that we are not. If you really believe that they are not relentless prolytites of the highest degree then you are mistaken - I would say that when Jesus the Christ - the prophet that founded western society was given a hard time by other semite interlopers..they must surely have been the breed of shemite that was the prototype of todays Muslim...They hate individuality - dispise personal freedom - and think they are God..Any group that bows to the east - or circles around a monolyth with a rock that fell from the sky are pagans.

[Guest American Woman]

It was directed at a specific poster who has proven throught posts that he is, and he even admitted himself that he is a troll. If no one complained about the USA he'd have no reason to post here.

I stand by my statement.

And you admitted that you have no interest in this thread, so that makes you, and what you're doing, different .... how???

This is a hot topic in my country right now, a topic I'm interested in, and since you clearly have no interest in participating in a discussion/debate, I can't figure out why you and your ilk feel the need to post your crap.

If you have nothing to add to the topic, then do what the rules say ... and don't post.

[Guest American Woman]

Who are these Muslims? Ever looked into their background?

Let me get this straight. You're all for looking into the background of all the moderate Muslims who don't support the mosque going on that property? Those who support it, fine. Those who don't, should be under suspicion?

Are you talking about the person who you quoted who makes regular appearances on Foxnews? The token so-called Muslim guy who will do or say whatever they want so that he gets paid?

No.

You are a bigot.

So you've said. Over and over again. Got anything new to add?

[BubberMiley]

I have something new to add!

If one doesn't blame muslims as a species for 9/11, then there's no logical reason to have a problem with muslims building a mosque near ground zero.

Or has that been said already?

[bloodyminded]

It was directed at a specific poster who has proven throught posts that he is, and he even admitted himself that he is a troll. If no one complained about the USA he'd have no reason to post here.

I stand by my statement.

Actually, it would be better even if his oft-repeated "payback's a bitch" justification were true. In fact, he goes on the attack when the US isn't even mentioned. He'll even go on the attack if you praise something about the country--unless you're one of his little sycophants, in which case you get a free pass.

[DogOnPorch]

I have something new to add!

If one doesn't blame muslims as a species for 9/11, then there's no logical reason to have a problem with muslims building a mosque near ground zero.

Or has that been said already?

Nobody is saying that Islam can't build a 100 million dollar Saudi funded mosque close to Ground Zero.

[bloodyminded]

I am also a bigot. Muslims are everything that we are not. If you really believe that they are not relentless prolytites of the highest degree then you are mistaken - I would say that when Jesus the Christ - the prophet that founded western society was given a hard time by other semite interlopers..they must surely have been the breed of shemite that was the prototype of todays Muslim...They hate individuality - dispise personal freedom - and think they are God..Any group that bows to the east - or circles around a monolyth with a rock that fell from the sky are pagans.

Unlike the enlightened people of faith who worship a sacrificed blood God and partake of (to many of them, literal) cannibal practices.

[BubberMiley]

Nobody is saying that Islam can't build a 100 million dollar Saudi funded mosque close to Ground Zero.

I didn't say they couldn't. You're just using the same old deflections that caused this thread to go in circles.

[Guest American Woman]

For US Muslims, a 9/11 anniversary like no other

American Muslims are boosting security at mosques, seeking help from leaders of other faiths and airing ads underscoring their loyalty to the United States — all ahead of a 9/11 anniversary they fear could bring more trouble for their communities.

This is due to the location of Park 51.

But it's interesting that they aren't beefing up security just for their own protection:

Their goal is not only to protect Muslims, but also to prevent them from retaliating if provoked.

Wilders is apparently supposed to be at one of the NYC protests scheduled for 9-11, so security there better be tight. I don't agree with his outspoken views of Islam, nor do I agree with politicizing 9-11 with demonstrations/protests, but it sounds as they will be exercising their right to do so.

[BubberMiley]

[but it's interesting that they aren't beefing up security just for their own protection:

Their goal is not only to protect Muslims, but also to prevent them from retaliating if provoked.

I like how you don't comment on the negative snippets that mention anything negative you can find about muslims, other than to say they're "interesting." It's so brave of you.

[Guest American Woman]

I like how you don't comment on the negative snippets that mention anything negative you can find about muslims, other than to say they're "interesting." It's so brave of you.

I see. First I'm a bigot, and now I "don't comment" on "negative snippets," other than to say they are "interesting." Which you are critical of, also. So. If my comments don't reflect the views you think they should, I'm a bigot; and if I don't comment when you think I should, I'm a coward. Got'cha.

Now that we've got that out of the way, have you got anything to say about the actual topic? Which, btw, isn't me.

[Smallc]

I see. First I'm a bigot,

Based on the fact that you find any negative about Muslims interesting, you're definitely a bigot. You simply don't have the courage to admit it.

[Guest American Woman]

Based on the fact that you find any negative about Muslims interesting, you're definitely a bigot. You simply don't have the courage to admit it.

I'm dying of curiosity. What, exactly, did I post that was "negative?" Evidently you and BubberMiley see something negative and are, once again, *surprise surprise* putting your feelings on me. But let me get this straight. No one can find anything negative about Islam "interesting" or they are a bigot. Wow. That has got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

Beyond that, have you got anything intelligent/thought worthy to post? Or are cries of "bigot" the extent of your intellectual capacity? I really won't be wasting any more of my time reading your posts if this is all you are capable of, because "young and lacking experience" isn't forever, but "stupid" usually is.

Edited September 5, 2010 by American Woman

[bush_cheney2004]

Based on the fact that you find any negative about Muslims interesting, you're definitely a bigot. You simply don't have the courage to admit it.

Then I guess you can join the club, based on "any negative" that you have posted about Americans or any other group. Shall we count them?

[BubberMiley]

I'm dying of curiosity. What, exactly, did I post that was "negative?" Evidently you and BubberMiley see something negative and are, once again, *surprise surprise* putting your feelings on me. But let me get this straight. No one can find anything negative about Islam "interesting" or they are a bigot. Wow. That has got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

The "interesting" item the muslims hired security to prevent retaliation from their own was certainly negative.

The "interesting" item about the muslim cleric calling for a beheading was certainly negative.

Posting this stuff out of the blue certainly suggests an anti-muslim agenda, which you have every right to have.

It's fun to see you in denial that you even have the agenda though.

Most people are more honest with themselves.

[Guest American Woman]

The "interesting" item the muslims hired security to prevent retaliation from their own was certainly negative.

It was?? And here I thought it was positive, because they are recognizing that the threats are a two way street, and are just as concerned about non-Muslims' safety. Funny, though, how you didn't think posting about the increased threats to Muslims was "certainly negative" in regards to non-Muslims, or more likely, you're ok with my pointing that "negativity" out. (Making me, evidently, anti-American, as well.)

The "interesting" item about the muslim cleric calling for a beheading was certainly negative.

Yes it was. It was also true. And interesting, to most people, I'm sure.

Posting this stuff out of the blue certainly suggests an anti-muslim agenda, which you have every right to have.

"Out of the blue?" Are you out of your mind? Or are you incapable of following this thread? It was in direct response to another post.

It's fun to see you in denial that you even have the agenda though.

Poor, poor BubberMiley. American Woman just doesn't think what he'd like her to think. He would like it so much better if I were the bigot he needs to believe I am.

Most people are more honest with themselves.

So why aren't you honest enough to admit that you're a terrorist sympathizer? Because I've decided, based on the fact that no one can find anything negative about Islam "interesting," along with all your other views, that you're a terrorist sympathizer. You're just not honest enough to admit it.

Shall we play that game? Or are you intelligent enough to see how stupid it is?

Edited September 5, 2010 by American Woman

[kimmy]

I like how you don't comment on the negative snippets that mention anything negative you can find about muslims, other than to say they're "interesting." It's so brave of you.

Based on the fact that you find any negative about Muslims interesting, you're definitely a bigot. You simply don't have the courage to admit it.

Ok, this is getting ridiculous.

This was not "any" snippet about Muslims, it was one of direct, obvious relevance to this thread. You two don't really need to have it explained for you why the quote from the article was noteworthy in the context of this discussion.

And AW is hardly someone who has made a reputation of going around singling out Muslims for abuse. There are a number of "case warriors" here on MLW whose devotion to their particular causes-- whether it be complaining about immigrants, complaining about Da Joos, posting LPC talking points, posting Republican talking points, discussing Jesus, declaring war on atheists, or whatever. AW isn't one of them. You guys have been around long enough to know her better than that.

It's par for the course, though: if you don't support the supermegamosque, you must be a bigot!

-k

[Smallc]

It's par for the course, though: if you don't support the supermegamosque, you must be a bigot!

-k

If you don't have a logical reason for opposing it, there isn't really another explanation. CANADIEN for example, has a reasonable explanation.

[bush_cheney2004]

If you don't have a logical reason for opposing it, there isn't really another explanation. CANADIEN for example, has a reasonable explanation.

There are several logical reasons to oppose it...and these have been articulated well. You simply disagree and have pronounced them to be bigots. How convenient...and I look forward to hoisting you by the same petard in the future.

Edited September 5, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[Smallc]

I really won't be wasting any more of my time reading your posts if this is all you are capable of, because "young and lacking experience" isn't forever, but "stupid" usually is.

I don't really care if you read my posts. I've learned a great deal about you from this thread. I won't stoop to you level of insult though. It isn't my fault that you can't come to terms with your contradictory statements and unsubstantiated positions.