Mosque going up in NYC building

[DogOnPorch]

Not answering the question...

Oh so you HAVE heard of it. It was in all the papers, afterall.

Yeah...anyways. My huntch is that New Yorkers and others are upset by this due to 9-11. Call me mad...

[Michael Hardner]

Oh so you HAVE heard of it. It was in all the papers, afterall.

Yeah...anyways. My huntch is that New Yorkers and others are upset by this due to 9-11. Call me mad...

You're developing a bad habit of not answering questions. Why did you find it necessary to post the video ?

[GostHacked]

Yeah! Because just flat out not giving a fuckin rats ass where someone builds a dumb-ass church definately makes you a puppet of radical islam!

I am an agnostic, and really don't care for religion or subscribe to any of them..... however in the overall scheme of things :

Islam I don't have a problem with, just like Christianity or Judaism. It's those who hold an extremist view of the religion that I don't like. I think it's time people understood the difference.

[DogOnPorch]

You're developing a bad habit of not answering questions. Why did you find it necessary to post the video ?

For the reasons stated. Must I repeat?

[dre]

For the reasons stated. Must I repeat?

I think what hes hoping is that you could formulate some sort of relevant reply to the thread... something that demostrates even a modicum of cognitive capability.

[GostHacked]

I think what hes hoping is that you could formulate some sort of relevant reply to the thread... something that demostrates even a modicum of cognitive capability.

I think we will get more:

Muslims did 9/11, therefor mosque in NYC = bad.

So much for the mosques that already exist in Manhattan.

[Shady]

Muslims did 9/11, therefor mosque in NYC = bad.

Nice strawman. Nobody's saying no mosques in New York City.

[DogOnPorch]

I think we will get more:

Muslims did 9/11, therefor mosque in NYC = bad.

So much for the mosques that already exist in Manhattan.

Who claimed this?

[bush_cheney2004]

Nice strawman. Nobody's saying no mosques in New York City.

There are more mosques in New York City than in all of Canada.

[DogOnPorch]

Yup.

[Shady]

There are more mosques in New York City than in all of Canada.

Exactly. It's just more of the same "if you don't want this mosque built near ground zero, you hate muslims" crap.

[Guest American Woman]

Who claimed this?

No one, of course. While people have pointed out that NYC has many, many mosques, and but for the fact that this one is being built on the ruins of 9-11, coinciding with the tenth anniversary of 9-11 no less, I'm sure this one would be just another mosque in NYC.

[bush_cheney2004]

No one, of course. While people have pointed out that NYC has many, many mosques, and but for the fact that this one is being built on the ruins of 9-11, coinciding with the tenth anniversary of 9-11 no less, I'm sure this one would be just another mosque in NYC.

Agreed...this just in by Western Union...Japanese authorities have declined my request for opening day at the B-29 Museum in Nagasaki....something about August 9th and "mob rule".

[GostHacked]

Nice strawman. Nobody's saying no mosques in New York City.

It is not a straw man, and I know people are not saying 'no mosques in NYC',it's a new mosque that is the complaint and the proximity to Ground Zero that is the complaint, which I will equate to a straw man in of itself. However there are other mosques within that distance to Ground Zero as well. No one has made a complaint about those. They could already be recruiting terrorists!

It does not make sense to me to complain about this new Mosque (because people say that muslims did 9/11 they should not build there) when there are already a lot of mosques in Manhattan. I would not hesitate to say that some of the mosques were there before 9/11.

[Guest American Woman]

It is not a straw man, and I know people are not saying 'no mosques in NYC',it's a new mosque that is the complaint and the proximity to Ground Zero that is the complaint, which I will equate to a straw man in of itself. However there are other mosques within that distance to Ground Zero as well. No one has made a complaint about those.

No, that's not the complaint; the complaint, for the bajillionth time, is that it's being built in the ruins of 9-11, etc.

If you'd think about it for one minute, you'd realize that you just confirmed what I just posted. Yes, there are other mosques within that distance to Ground Zero, and as you yourself pointed out, no one has made a complaint about those.

Why do you think that is??

Because they weren't built on the ruins of 9-11.

Which is what we've been saying the objection to this mosque is.

Are you finally beginning to get it??

[dre]

Agreed...this just in by Western Union...Japanese authorities have declined my request for opening day at the B-29 Museum in Nagasaki....something about August 9th and "mob rule".

Again this example does you no favors. A better example would be an American embassy or cultural center in Nagasaki. I wouldnt be suprised if that was allowed, and that protests were few and far between.

[bush_cheney2004]

Again this example does you no favors. A better example would be an American embassy or cultural center in Nagasaki. I wouldnt be suprised if that was allowed, and that protests were few and far between.

I sure you are wrong....couldn't even handle Anne Coulter at the University of Ottawa. LOL!

[waldo]

No, that's not the complaint; the complaint, for the bajillionth time, is that it's being built in the ruins of 9-11, etc.

ya, ya... in the ruins - 2 blocks away and around the corner. You can't even see "ground zero" from the location. The building incurred some rooftop damage and suddenly it's a part of "the ruins"... 2 blocks away and around the corner. The Burlington Coat Company chose not to reopen, which as much as anything (from what I've read) was simply an extension of their existing and continued policy in reducing their number of stores/manufacturing sites. They could have opted for roof repair and re-opening... at any point up to when they finally opted to sell/terminate their lease - but they chose not to... or do you read anything in to that other than 'business practice'?

[dre]

I sure you are wrong....couldn't even handle Anne Coulter at the University of Ottawa. LOL!

Interesting. I hadnt heard that the Japenese objected to that.

[GostHacked]

No, that's not the complaint; the complaint, for the bajillionth time, is that it's being built in the ruins of 9-11, etc.

Yes yes, I get it .. 80 pages ago.

If you'd think about it for one minute, you'd realize that you just confirmed what I just posted. Yes, there are other mosques within that distance to Ground Zero, and as you yourself pointed out, no one has made a complaint about those.

I wonder if any of those mosques got some damage from the 9/11 attacks.

Because they weren't built on the ruins of 9-11.

This mosque is NOT being built on Ground Zero. The mosque is being built on a building that had collateral damage from the attack. Was not the target of the attack, and should not be considered part of Ground Zero, technically it is not on , but near Ground Zero.

Which is what we've been saying the objection to this mosque is.

Again, I get it, but the argument seems week. You urge them not to build there, you wish they had some sensitivity and empathy towards those who were killed and the surviving families of the victims. You don't object to the mosque, just where it's built. But how far away from ground zero is acceptable to you or anyone who holds your position?

Are you finally beginning to get it??

I get it, got it right from the start of this 80+ page thread, but overall it means very little because the mosque will get built. You'd be best getting some kind of petition to stop it.

It's a free country, I guess.

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[Wilber]

Again this example does you no favors. A better example would be an American embassy or cultural center in Nagasaki. I wouldnt be suprised if that was allowed, and that protests were few and far between.

Embassy's are only in capitals. I'm sure there would be no objection to a cultural center somewhere in Nagasaki, for all I know there is one, but at ground zero. Maybe not.

[Guest American Woman]

Yes yes, I get it .. 80 pages ago.

So what would possess you to make such an ignorant comment?

I wonder if any of those mosques got some damage from the 9/11 attacks.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

This mosque is NOT being built on Ground Zero. The mosque is being built on a building that had collateral damage from the attack. Was not the target of the attack, and should not be considered part of Ground Zero, technically it is not on , but near Ground Zero.

As I said 80 pages ago, and about a bajillion times since, I realize it's not being built on Ground Zero. Which is why I've never said it WAS being built on Ground Zero.

Again, I get it, but the argument seems week. You urge them not to build there, you wish they had some sensitivity and empathy towards those who were killed and the surviving families of the victims. You don't object to the mosque, just where it's built. But how far away from ground zero is acceptable to you or anyone who holds your position?

OMG. You "claim" to "get" that it's the property it's being built on, you acknowledge that there are other mosques within that distance, which in effect PROVES that it's NOT the DISTANCE that people are objecting to ..... and then you come back with "How far away from Ground Zero is acceptable to me and anyone who holds my position?" DUH!!!!! It's not about the DISTANCE.

I get it, got it right from the start of this 80+ page thread, but overall it means very little because the mosque will get built. You'd be best getting some kind of petition to stop it.

Obviously you don't get it. Obviously you get very little. I've said repeatedly that I respect their RIGHT TO BUILD THERE, so why in the world would I petition to stop it??

[Guest American Woman]

Embassy's are only in capitals. I'm sure there would be no objection to a cultural center somewhere in Nagasaki, for all I know there is one, but at ground zero. Maybe not.

The U.S. and the Japanese have had time for the wounds to heal. When I've been to the Pearl Harbor memorial, there have been as many Japanese as Americans, and there was nothing but good feelings towards each other. That certainly wouldn't have been true while the declaration of war was still in effect; while it was all still happening/fresh in people's minds.

[GostHacked]

So what would possess you to make such an ignorant comment?

I made the statement because many have that view. That was evident in this thread. So who really is the ignorant one here?

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

/facepalm

As I said 80 pages ago, and about a bajillion times since, I realize it's not being built on Ground Zero. Which is why I've never said it WAS being built on Ground Zero.

Yes, so all your initial objections to the construction of it fell apart quickly. But for some the proximity to them still equals Ground Zero. That might not be the stance you take personally there American Woman, but there are people out there who hold that view. And it was hard to differentiate your stance from that one at the start.

OMG. You "claim" to "get" that it's the property it's being built on, you acknowledge that there are other mosques within that distance, which in effect PROVES that it's NOT the DISTANCE that people are objecting to ..... and then you come back with "How far away from Ground Zero is acceptable to me and anyone who holds my position?" DUH!!!!! It's not about the DISTANCE.

Which is why in the end I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS MOSQUE BEING BUILT WHERE IT WILL BE BUILT.

Obviously you don't get it. Obviously you get very little. I've said repeatedly that I respect their RIGHT TO BUILD THERE, so why in the world would I petition to stop it??

That was not your stance at the start of this thread. You still don't want it to be build because you want them to have some empathy towards your position on the mosque. You respect the right to build there, which is great. I know that does not mean you have to like it. Which is what you are getting at. And I understand that.

Don't treat me like you did the rest of the posters in this thread.

[Guest American Woman]

You still don't want it to be build because you want them to have some empathy towards your position on the mosque.

Yes, that's what I've clearly said. I expect no more of them than I do myself. I don't think we should have built the mega embassy in Iraq, because I empathize with the Iraqis who are upset by it, even though I personally didn't vote for Bush and didn't support going to war and in no way blame myself. The same with Muslims; I don't blame all Muslims, and again, have said so so many times that I'm sick of repeating it, but I feel as if they should have empathy towards those who are upset by this mosque.

You respect the right to build there, which is great. I know that does not mean you have to like it. Which is what you are getting at. And I understand that.

Yes, I totally respect and support their right to build there. I object to anyone who would try to take that right away from them. But no, that does not mean I have to agree with their choice, and I don't. I think it's a poor, insensitive choice/decision. Which has been my stance pretty much through the whole thread. When I made my opening post in this thread, I didn't know what to think. But the more I read about it and thought about it, the more I had concerns. In the end, I'm against their decision to build there, for the reasons I've stated.

And thank you for saying you understand what I am saying/feeling. It's so refreshing to have someone actually respond to what I've said and what I feel.

Don't treat me like you did the rest of the posters in this thread.

If you don't treat me like the rest of the posters in this thread did, then I won't treat you like I treated them. So if I was unjustified in my attitude, I apologize.

Edited August 9, 2010 by American Woman