Mosque going up in NYC building

[kimmy]

I think it's just an odd offer all the way around. No other religious group is getting money to build/rebuild. I'm surprised Bloomberg declined to comment, as it seems like an issue the mayor would have an opinion on. It's a very controversial move to give taxpayers' money to only one religion this way. It seems to me it's going against the separation of church and state.

I kind of question that. I've read that the Cordoba Initiative doesn't even own all of the property, but took a lease until 2071 on the property it doesn't own, and the owner said the lease allows them to build/tear down, do whatever they want.

So the Cordoba initiative would still be liable to this lease, even if they were to turn around and sell the property they own outright and build elsewhere.

Frum linked to this article from the NY Post which looked into the real-estate angle.

Short summary:

The Muslim guys bought the one property for $4.8 million. It had been for sale for a long time, once for as high as $18 million, but once the owner died widow was desperate for cash to settle his debts and sold it for a bargain price. At the same time, they purchased the lease on the adjoining building for $700,000.

The adjoining building is owned by Con Edison (a utility company I gather?). The lease includes a "right to purchase" option. In February the guys from the Islamic center group informed Con Edison that they wish to exercise the option. Con Edison is having the property appraised, the price tag is expected to be between $10 million and $20 million, at which point the Islamic center guys can decide to buy it or not.

A spokesman for Con Edison says "We are following our legal obligations under the lease. We will not allow other considerations to enter into this transaction." In other words, if the Muslim guys can cough up the cash, it's theirs.

-k

[punked]

Ohhhhh noes more problems for Right Wing Crazies. Looks like Imam for the NY Mosque was first asked by BUSH to start dialogue toward peace and understanding. Looks like it was the Republicans who trusted him and loved him first eh? Ohhhhhh noes Bush thwarts you crazies again.

I am going to quote what Bush said about this crazy Imam that the people in this thread are villainizing just a few days after 9/11. I think it was Sept 26st.

And so, thank you all for coming. I don't know if you all remember the Imam led the service at the National Cathedral -- he did a heck of a good job, and we were proud to have him there. And I want to thank you very much for the gift you gave me, Imam, the Koran. It's a very thoughtful gift. I said thank you very much for the gift. He said, it's the best gift I could give you, Mr. President. I appreciate that very much.

Edited August 12, 2010 by punked

[Sir Bandelot]

Ohhhhh noes more problems for Right Wing Crazies. Looks like Imam for the NY Mosque was first asked by BUSH to start dialogue toward peace and understanding. Looks like it was the Republicans who trusted him and loved him first eh? Ohhhhhh noes Bush thwarts you crazies again.

I am going to quote what Bush said about this crazy Imam that the people in this thread are villainizing just a few days after 9/11. I think it was Sept 26st.

Teh silence roared

[Guest American Woman]

Teh silence roared

The silence regarding what that anti-Muslim/anti-Mosque organization of bigots, the Muslim Canadian Congress, had to say is still roaring in my ears. Furthermore, I, for one, am as far from a "right wing crazy" as you and punked are, so I'm not sure who is being pigeonholed here. But thank God I'm not just the opposite side of the coin, a "left wing crazy," like some here who shall remain nameless.

Edited August 12, 2010 by American Woman

[Shady]

Looks like Imam for the NY Mosque was first asked by BUSH to start dialogue toward peace and understanding.

Who cares? However, this does say a lot about your mindset. You think that eveyone who's opposed to this mosque is somehow a George W Bush supporter. And if so, they need to support what George W Bush supported. They can't have their own thoughts on this issue. That doesn't make any sense at all. Seriously punked, just when I think you can't make an even bigger fool out of yourself, you prove us wrong.

Aside from that, 65% of New Yorkers are against the building of this mosque. And I think you'll find that George W Bush has very little support in NYC, now, and ever.

The silence regarding what that anti-Muslim/anti-Mosque organization of bigots, the Muslim Canadian Congress, had to say is still roaring in my ears. Furthermore, I, for one, am as far from a "right wing crazy" as you and punked are, so I'm not sure who all you are pigeonholing here. But thank God I'm not just the opposite side of the coin, a "left wing crazy," like some here who shall remain nameless.

Well said. As if you give a crap about what George W Bush said or did. I guess punked thinks you're suppose to.

[punked]

Who cares? However, this does say a lot about your mindset. You think that eveyone who's opposed to this mosque is somehow a George W Bush supporter. And if so, they need to support what George W Bush supported. They can't have their own thoughts on this issue. That doesn't make any sense at all. Seriously punked, just when I think you can't make an even bigger fool out of yourself, you prove us wrong.

Aside from that, 65% of New Yorkers are against the building of this mosque. And I think you'll find that George W Bush has very little support in NYC, now, and ever.

Well said. As if you give a crap about what George W Bush said or did. I guess punked thinks you're suppose to.

I notice you say 65% of New Yorkers but you didn't say 65% of people from Manhattan are for the Mosque. You know where the Mosque would go. Details details.

I know you don't care what Bush said because Republicans spent 8 years trying to weakening America right? I mean this guy was endorsed by Bush that must mean that right? What else explains it UNLESS something else was going on there.

[DogOnPorch]

I notice you say 65% of New Yorkers but you didn't say 65% of people from Manhattan are for the Mosque. You know where the Mosque would go. Details details.

I know you don't care what Bush said because Republicans spent 8 years trying to weakening America right? I mean this guy was endorsed by Bush that must mean that right? What else explains it UNLESS something else was going on there.

Speaking of 8 years...wasn't that the age of Muhammed's child bride.

(DogOnPorch notes upon inspection that she was 6 years old...Big M waited until she was 9 before raping her.)

Such a nice religion. If was anything else it'd be against the law.

[Sir Bandelot]

If anyone was serious about fighting islamic terrorism, it was George Bush. And I think he had his head screwed on right when he said, we've got to seperate the extremists from the mainstream, moderate muslims that live peacefully in our countries. Here he showed that he had an understanding of the real nature of the problem. Fact is, I don't think the US administration wants to see their country descend into a fourth reich, with muslims replacing the jews. But there are some real crazy types out there who don't care and would like to see that happen. And some of them are prominent republicans. Those are the ones who are hiding the truth from the masses now, while making inflammatory speeches against the administration. Probably for the sake of smearing them, to get more votes. So the muslim issue is used a leverage for the election... if one party is seen as supportive, the other party must make them appear as weaklings and appeasers. Even when that support is a continuation of the policy of the former government/ party. It stinketh, I tell you.

[DogOnPorch]

But there are some real crazy types out there who don't care and would like to see that happen.

Let's get some slander going: names? Who wants to send Muslims to death camps?

[punked]

Speaking of 8 years...wasn't that the age of Muhammed's child bride.

(DogOnPorch notes upon inspection that she was 6 years old...Big M waited until she was 9 before raping her.)

Such a nice religion. If was anything else it'd be against the law.

Nice redirect doesn't really have anything to do with what we are talking about. Wait are you going to accuse the Jews of stealing all our money next? Seriously just throwing shit out there in hopes of inspiring hate is how it has been for years for all religions.

I am sure in the middle east there are bigots having the same conversation but talking about how old Lots daughters where when they raped there dad.

"Did you say 14 years is that how old Lots daughter was......?"

BTW you couldn't even get the age right shows how desperate you have been to throw that one out there.

[DogOnPorch]

Nice redirect doesn't really have anything to do with what we are talking about. Wait are you going to accuse the Jews of stealing all our money next? Seriously just throwing shit out there in hopes of inspiring hate is how it has been for years for all religions.

I am sure in the middle east there are bigots having the same conversation but talking about how old Lots daughters where when they raped there dad.

"Did you say 14 years is that how old Lots daughter was......?"

BTW you couldn't even get the age right shows how desperate you have been to throw that one out there.

Being that I'm not a Christian as you seem to think, showing me another example of religious child sexual abuse isn't going to change my mind that 6 years old is way too young to be married to an old pervert.

[punked]

Being that I'm not a Christian as you seem to think, showing me another example of religious child sexual abuse isn't going to change my mind that 6 years old is way too young to be married to an old pervert.

You seem to forget the rest of the story that she was driven from her home by bigots who would not accept her religion or religious choice and her betrothal was cut because her father dared follow the path of Islam. So if it wasn't for bigots hating Islam she never would have. Hmmmmmmm. There is a lesson in all this.

You also forget it was 1500 years ago during a different time and those who weren't following any religion at the time were also marring 6 year olds. Damn atheists always marring children (BTW modern translators think she actually 16 at the time not 6 but that doesn't mean anything to your hate does it?). Serious stop like the world was the way it is now please. Of course it is wrong however it was a different time with a different moral code. I judge people not by what books they read but by how they live and no NY Muslim has ever wronged me.

[DogOnPorch]

Nice redirect doesn't really have anything to do with what we are talking about.

88 pages and climbing. So do you condone the practice of child brides in the name of outreach and sensitivities? Please defend this practice if Islam is such a good thing.

Now before you answer: yes, I'm sure there are some MUSLIMS who are as disgusted as I am re: Big M's child bride...and their modern equivalents. But I'm talking about ISLAM...and child brides are a common fact in numerous parts of the so-called Islamic World...who we are no doubt taking in immigrants from.

[Shady]

I notice you say 65% of New Yorkers but you didn't say 65% of people from Manhattan are for the Mosque. You know where the Mosque would go. Details details.

When polling just New York City, 53% oppose the mosque, only 34% approve. 13% have no opinion. But most of them probably oppose as well, they just don't want to admit in fear of being thought of as racist.

Majority of NYC Voters Disapprove of Bloomberg, Mosque: Poll

MSNBC

[DogOnPorch]

When polling just New York City, 53% oppose the mosque, only 34% approve. 13% have no opinion. But most of them probably oppose as well, they just don't want to admit in fear of being thought of as racist.

Votes are what speaks.

[Shady]

I judge people not by what books they read but by how they live and no NY Muslim has ever wronged me.

Good to hear. But that doesn't mean that the sensibilities of New Yorkers shouldn't be respected.

[punked]

88 pages and climbing. So do you condone the practice of child brides in the name of outreach and sensitivities? Please defend this practice if Islam is such a good thing.

Now before you answer: yes, I'm sure there are some MUSLIMS who are as disgusted as I am re: Big M's child bride...and their modern equivalents. But I'm talking about ISLAM...and child brides are a common fact in numerous parts of the so-called Islamic World...who we are no doubt taking in immigrants from.

Tell me more about NY Muslims those are the ones building the mosque tell me more about their child brides not those from other countries. That fact seems to escape you.

[DogOnPorch]

Child Bride Defender: You also forget it was 1500 years ago during a different time and those who weren't following any religion at the time were also marr(y)ing 6 year olds.

1500 years ago, eh?

[GostHacked]

Your article shows it took place in 2009.

Well this is the NEW Afghanistan in which we helped to create. So in fact we are to blame for this as well.

retraction .... she is now 16 so this would have been 8 years ago.

Does it still happen in the new modern liberated democratic Afghanistan?

Edited August 12, 2010 by GostHacked

[DogOnPorch]

Tell me more about NY Muslims those are the ones building the mosque tell me more about their child brides not those from other countries. That fact seems to escape you.

Naturally, Muslims do not immigrate to the West from these very countries. I hear honour killings are a Western media construct.

[punked]

When polling just New York City, 53% oppose the mosque, only 34% approve. 13% have no opinion. But most of them probably oppose as well, they just don't want to admit in fear of being thought of as racist.

Except if you looked at the poll Shady you would see those who LIVE IN MANHATTAN actually support the Mosque 50% and oppose 36%, you know the place where the Mosque is being built. It isn't being built in Stain Island or in Florida.

Edited August 12, 2010 by punked

[DogOnPorch]

Your article shows it took place in 2009.

Well this is the NEW Afghanistan in which we helped to create. So in fact we are to blame for this as well.

You're blaming Canadian troops for the fact Islam allows child brides?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us4jJ650vi8

[punked]

Naturally, Muslims do not immigrate to the West from these very countries. I hear honour killings are a Western media construct.

Tell me more about the people building the Mosque not those who live half a world away. I don't judge African Americans on what happens in Africa, just as I don't judge all Catholics on what happens in Rome. They are different peoples with different beliefs and different world. You might to remember that, otherwise it is something called racism.

Remember the Imam trying to open this Mosque has been commended by George Bush you telling me that Bush loves child brides?

Edited August 12, 2010 by punked

[Shady]

Except if you looked at the poll Shady you would see those who LIVE IN MANHATTAN actually support the Mosque 50% and oppose 36%, you know the place where the Mosque is being built. It isn't being built in Stain Island or in Florida.

Stop lying punked, that isn't true. The poll is specific to people that live in New York CITY. You know, the city where the mosque is being proposed.

[DogOnPorch]

Tell me more about the people building the Mosque not those who live half a world away. I don't judge African Americans on what happens in Africa, just as I don't judge all Catholics on what happens in Rome. They are different peoples with different beliefs and different world. You might to remember that, otherwise it is something called racism.

Islam is a religion...not a race.