Mosque going up in NYC building

[GostHacked]

Ever been a casualty of terrorism?

No, and because of that, I am not going to spend my time worrying about terrorism. The possibility of me getting killed driving to work is much much higher than me getting killed in a terrorist attack. It's all a matter of perspective. Also it seems that efforts and progress is being made to protect against terrorism. The group here in Canada that was caught before the attack took place shows me that our current methods are working.

There are other things in my day that demand more attention than the possibility of a terror attack.

[Machjo]

Ever been a casualty of terrorism?

I personally haven't, but a lot of Muslims were in the US and Canada post 9/11, with some getting beaten, mosques getting firebombed, and a few who got beaten to death; and a few cases of non-Muslims, even Latinos in the US, getting taken for Muslims.

I wonder if anyone in this forum was involved in these acts in Canada.

[DogOnPorch]

No, and because of that, I am not going to spend my time worrying about terrorism. The possibility of me getting killed driving to work is much much higher than me getting killed in a terrorist attack. It's all a matter of perspective. Also it seems that efforts and progress is being made to protect against terrorism. The group here in Canada that was caught before the attack took place shows me that our current methods are working.

There are other things in my day that demand more attention than the possibility of a terror attack.

No arguement there re: Canada at this point in history. Only a handful of serious Islamic terrorist threats have surfaced. What's more likely to happen in Canada is Islamification of the place over time. Plus, due to our rather terror-friendly immigration laws, we are going to be more of a terrorist haven than we are now.

[DogOnPorch]

I personally haven't, but a lot of Muslims were in the US and Canada post 9/11, with some getting beaten, mosques getting firebombed, and a few who got beaten to death; and a few cases of non-Muslims, even Latinos in the US, getting taken for Muslims.

I wonder if anyone in this forum was involved in these acts in Canada.

What are you trying to say? Got some names?

[Oleg Bach]

You've misapprehended Toadbrother's sane remarks from top to bottom.

And why would you think that Toadbrother is "in love with" Saudi Arabia? This is just strange.

Here's the thing, Mr. Canada: building the centre on the proposed site is "insensitive" only to people who are bigoted against Muslims. If one is not bigoted against Muslims, then they would consider the hijackers, and al-Queda, to be rogue criminals and mass murderers. Which is accurate. They do not stand for Muslims, and Muslims do not as a whole agree with this behaviour.

The issue has been understandably a little confused, because there are a fair number of radical Muslims. But two points:

First, the non-violent, ordinary people who are Muslims are no more responsible for terrorist attacks than you are;

Second, even most archconservative Muslims, whose view on many subjects is to me ugly and disturbing, are still not a threat. The threat is a fringe minority.

Why should we hold all Muslims accountable for their actions?

That doesn't even make sense: logically, or practically, or morally.

HOLDING ALL MUSLIMS ACCOUNTABLE is as reasonable as holding all corrupt big business types accountable- all...yes all are aware of corrupt and perverse acts within the confines of their group- if they are not part of the solution they are part of the problem....most Muslims like Jews and Christians are a selfish non-involved persons...They really don't give a damn about plunder and murder as long as it is not them personally...THIS attitude is common ...as long as Muslims do NOT own up to the fact that most are promoters of their cause..and that violence or conversion by the sword is still an option _ Then..they must ALL be viewed with a jaundiced eye.

[Shady]

If it was a Jewish or Catholic church there it would never have been in the media in the first place. No one would have even heard about it.

Probably not. Because Christians and Jews weren't responsible for the attacks on 911.

[punked]

Probably not. Because Christians and Jews weren't responsible for the attacks on 911.

Monotheist were Shady. People who believe in God were. See how I took your applying what 30 people did and pinning it on a Billion people and took it one step further?

[Shady]

Monotheist were Shady. People who believe in God were. See how I took your applying what 30 people did and pinning it on a Billion people and took it one step further?

Come'on punked, stop being intellectually dishonest. The fact is, all Muslim's aren't terrorists. But if you're a terrorist, you're likely to be Muslim. I'm sorry that reality so frightens you and your ilk.

However, we know that if this phenomenon was related to Christians, you'd have no trouble saying so. Quit constantly going down on Islam, and start dealing with facts. Oh, and wipe your chin.

[punked]

Come'on punked, stop being intellectually dishonest. The fact is, all Muslim's aren't terrorists. But if you're a terrorist, you're likely to be Muslim. I'm sorry that reality so frightens you and your ilk.

However, we know that if this phenomenon was related to Christians, you'd have no trouble saying so. Quit constantly going down on Islam, and start dealing with facts. Oh, and wipe your chin.

Really if you are a terrorist your likely to be a Muslim? Seriously this is your argument? If you are a Muslim you are more likely to be thrown in a detention center when you are innocent and kept there with no reason besides where you live and your religious beliefs to Shady. BTW your premise is Dumb, there are plenty of terrorist who are not Muslims but are crazy right wing Glenn Beckers in fact the last 3 cases of terrorism in the US was white Christians Shady.

[Smallc]

But if you're a terrorist, you're likely to be Muslim.

Unless you're from Northern Ireland....or you dislike Oklahoma City. True, many terrorists (and most that we hear about) are Muslim, but that hasn't and won't always be the case.

[DogOnPorch]

Unless you're from Northern Ireland....or you dislike Oklahoma City. True, many terrorists (and most that we hear about) are Muslim, but that hasn't and won't always be the case.

You do realize that the Muslim terrorist phenomenon we are seeing now far out-strips anything the Provos did over their entire fight with the British? Saying all things are equal is fooling one's self.

[Shady]

Really if you are a terrorist your likely to be a Muslim?

Yep. Not all Muslim's are terrorists. But at the present time, if you're a terrorist, you're more likely to be a Muslim. Statistics prove that without a shadow of a doubt. Despite how uncomfortable it makes you and your ilk.

Unless you're from Northern Ireland....or you dislike Oklahoma City. True, many terrorists (and most that we hear about) are Muslim, but that hasn't and won't always be the case.

When last was Northern Ireland an issue? And when was Oklahoma City, 1995?

I never said that it will always be the case, but the facts are the facts.

In the present time, a terrorist is MORE LIKELY to be Muslim. You can't dispute actual numbers. As hard as reality sometimes is to take.

[punked]

How about plan crashing into an IRS building? How about shooting people at a holocaust museum? How about shoot outs in Pittsburgh and Oklahoma all of which happened in the last 2 years all of which were white Christians?

BTW North Ireland had a bombing yesterday Shady. You really ignore everything that happens that does not fit your world view don't you?

http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE6722TT20100803

[DogOnPorch]

How about plan crashing into an IRS building? How about shooting people at a holocaust museum? How about shoot outs in Pittsburgh and Oklahoma all of which happened in the last 2 years all of which were white Christians?

BTW North Ireland had a bombing yesterday Shady. You really ignore everything that happens that does not fit your world view don't you?

http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE6722TT20100803

Yeah...and one good sized car bomb in Kabul kills dozens...or hundreds. Relativism. All things are not equal.

[dre]

Yep. Not all Muslim's are terrorists. But at the present time, if you're a terrorist, you're more likely to be a Muslim. Statistics prove that without a shadow of a doubt. Despite how uncomfortable it makes you and your ilk.

When last was Northern Ireland an issue? And when was Oklahoma City, 1995?

I never said that it will always be the case, but the facts are the facts.

In the present time, a terrorist is MORE LIKELY to be Muslim. You can't dispute actual numbers. As hard as reality sometimes is to take.

Its impossible to make that claim, because the word "TERRORISM" is a completely ambiguous term that has no real meaning anymore. The traditional definition of the word was simply the use of fear as a means of achieving a political objective. Under the classic definition terror is tactic used by almost entity involved in any war.

For youre statement to be true you need to use the post 911 version of the word which is essentially "paramilitary organizations that wont cooperate with the west". If you use this highjacked definition that you can make youre statement true, but thats not saying much, because you can make ANY statement true if youre willing to redefine the basic definition of the words youre using.

[BubberMiley]

How about plan crashing into an IRS building? How about shooting people at a holocaust museum?

That's true. Statistically, "these days," attacks on U.S. soil are likely to be right-wing christian types.

Personally, I blame all religion, because only religion produces the necessary trance-state that breeds extremism. If we're into banning stuff now, I guess banning all religion would make sense.

[punked]

Yeah...and one good sized car bomb in Kabul kills dozens...or hundreds. Relativism. All things are not equal.

It is about terror. Pay attention we aren't talking body counts.

[Shady]

How about plan crashing into an IRS building? How about shooting people at a holocaust museum? How about shoot outs in Pittsburgh and Oklahoma all of which happened in the last 2 years all of which were white Christians?

BTW North Ireland had a bombing yesterday Shady. You really ignore everything that happens that does not fit your world view don't you?

http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE6722TT20100803

You make me laugh. I love the way you try as hard as can be to somehow prove facts otherwise. Unfortunately for you, every example you cite, I can cite 10 in response.

Fresh off the press!

14 charged for supporting Somalia group

WASHINGTON -- Attorney General Eric Holder said Thursday that 14 people are being charged with providing support for the Somalian terrorist group al-Shabab.

Washington Post

Any guesses as to the religious affiliation of the 14 people charged, and/or the group they were supporting? Yeah, it's probably a pretty easy answer. At least for those of us grounded in facts and reality.

[DogOnPorch]

dre: Under the classic definition terror is tactic used by almost entity involved in any war.

Bull...but it makes a nice relativist slogan. Think about using it @ the next anti-West protest you attend.

[DogOnPorch]

It is about terror. Pay attention we aren't talking body counts.

You know SFA about terror.

[punked]

You make me laugh. I love the way you try as hard as can be to somehow prove facts otherwise. Unfortunately for you, every example you cite, I can cite 10 in response.

Fresh off the press!

Any guesses as to the religious affiliation of the 14 people charged, and/or the group they were supporting? Yeah, it's probably a pretty easy answer. At least for those of us grounded in facts and reality.

Doesn't change the fact that Terrorist attacks in the US in the last 8 years have been only white Christians does it Shady? It kinda makes your premise stupid doesn't it? It also doesn't change the fact you dismissed SmallC with "When last was Northern Ireland an issue" when in fact it was yesterday. Makes you look stupid again.

[dre]

Bull...but it makes a nice relativist slogan. Think about using it @ the next anti-West protest you attend.

No its not "bull" Trevor.

Heres the classic definition...

ter·ror·ism   /ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA

–noun

1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

Thats a common tactic used by modern nation states, as well as paramilitary organizations. One of the most common forms of modern terrorism is the use of "shock and awe" shows of military force that have the objective of frightening the civilian population into ending its support for a regime you are trying to "change".

There has almost never been a side in ANY war that didnt use Terrorism.

Like I said... that leaves you having to redefine the word to make your statement true.

[Shady]

Terrorist attacks in the US in the last 8 years have been only white Christians does it Shady?

Really?

You mean the Ft. Hood shooter is a white Christian?

The Christmas Day bomber is a white Christian?

The Times Square bomber is a white Christian?

The Ft. Dix six are white Christians?

You mean recruiting center shooter Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad is a white Christian?

[Shady]

The guy who threatened South Park, recently arrested, is a white Christian?

[Shady]

Here's a list of 2010 terrorist attack world wide.

List

Of the 67 incidents listed. 50 of them are directly related to Muslim terrorists.