More Liberal Tolerance At University of Ottawa

[Smallc]

I realize that,but the myth of multiculturalism is that we live in a co-operative,essentially colour blind,post-racial and ethnic society.We simply don't.What we have done is,by saying that anyone who comes here can be exactly what they were where they came from,minus the persecution in that persons homeland,and live their lives freely.The problem with that is that we do not have a mosaic that the proponents of multicuturalism say we have,but we have ethnic cliques...many times they are based on the old world prejudices that those very people were trying to escape.Toronto is a microcosm of this problem.

I wish it were the mosaic that people wanted...It has'nt happened yet...

That's very true, but I do see hope for the future in many ways, and concern in many others. We live in a constantly changing system. It's actually very interesting, sitting here in our relatively safe seats.

[Bonam]

It's actually very interesting, sitting here in our relatively safe seats.

Yes, very interesting and safe. Unless you happen to be a Jew in Gatineau. Then you might not be so safe...

[Jack Weber]

True. Yet I don't remember the last time I saw an article in the paper about a group of eastern Europeans in Canada with knives chasing a Jew down the street. Do you?

I'm not sure if I understand your point. That the angry mob was wrong just as the Arab mob was wrong? If so, I agree.

Yes, I'm sure they will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and get their severe punishment consisting of a few weeks of community service.

I'm not sure it was Arabs that desecrated synygogues in Montreal last year????Swastika's and other NAZI symbology suggests it was'nt..I suppose there could be some link to PanArabism and Ba'Athism,but I doubt Islamic fundementalists would go for the Ba'Athist approach...

My point was that your language and the leftist simpering bedwetter language was almost identical.

Sadly,you may be correct on the prosecution side....Perhaps the victim could have the perpetrator charged under Hate Crime legislation???

Edited April 7, 2010 by Jack Weber

[Bonam]

I'm not sure it was Arabs that desecrated synygogues in Motreal last year????Swastika's and other NAZI symbology suggests it was'nt..I suppose there could be some link to PanArabism and Ba'Athism,but I doubt Islmic fundementalists would go gor the Ba'Athist approach...

I'm not sure who dessecrated the synagogue. However Swastikas and other Nazi symbology are very much a part of the Arab culture now. You can see these consistently, for example like I mentioned in the "Israeli Apartheid Week" held in many Canadian universities. You can also see such symbology in Palestinian cartoons.

My point was that your language and the leftist simpering bedwetter language was almost identical.

That's unfortunate. I will try to keep my language more dissimilar.

Sadly,you may be correct on the prosecution side....Perhaps the victim could have the perpetrator charged under Hate Crime legislation???

Perhaps, we'll see how it turns out. Somehow I doubt these Arabs will get convicted of any "hate crime" though, for obvious reasons to do with the hypocritical nature of the whole hate crime system.

[Jack Weber]

That's very true, but I do see hope for the future in many ways, and concern in many others. We live in a constantly changing system. It's actually very interesting, sitting here in our relatively safe seats.

There is hope for the future...I'm living proof of that...My wife is not from this country or the same colour as I am.I remember having a conversation a long time ago with her.I said at some point in time in the future,she would have to come to a decision on how she was going to be defined as someone living in Canada.That would be either be someone who is from where she's from who lives in Canada...Or...Chose to be a Canadian who happens to be from somewhere else...

That is something that should be stressed on every potential immigrant coming to this country.

[Mr.Canada]

There is hope for the future...I'm living proof of that...My wife is not from this country or the same colour as I am.I remember having a conversation a long time ago with her.I said at some point in time in the future,she would have to come to a decision on how she was going to be defined as someone living in Canada.That would be either be someone who is from where she's from who lives in Canada...Or...Chose to be a Canadian who happens to be from somewhere else...

That is something that should be stressed on every potential immigrant coming to this country.

Instead it's come as you are and bring all you're hatred and baggage with you, Canada is multicultural.

[August1991]

I haven't read through all of this thread so my comment may seem strange.

IMV, the ultimate result of these various fiascos at the University of Ottawa is that I would never recommend to anyone to study there. I would look askance at a University of Ottawa CV, and put it at the bottom of the pile.

After all this, what smart high school student is going to choose to study at the University of Ottawa? And knowing how smart high school students choose now, what employer is going to hire a U of O grad in a few years - given an alternative choice?

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At this point, the only reason the University of Ottawa exists is because taxpayers subsidize its customers. Why do taxpayers do this? Everyone is under the false impression that "university" is a value-added credential. Well, some universities are. Others are not.

McDonald's takes money from people voluntarily and makes a profit.

The University of Ottawa and its professors/administration depend largely on tax money. It is not like McDonald's, and its diplomas are worth less than a Big Mac.

After all this, and given the alternatives, only a fool would study or teach at the University of Ottawa.

When seeking a job, when trying to impress people, who would admit to eating a Big Mac? Who would say that a Big Mac is a good meal?

Edited April 7, 2010 by August1991

[Bonam]

I haven't read through all of this thread so my comment may seem strange.

IMV, the ultimate result of these various fiascos at the University of Ottawa is that I would never recommend to anyone to study there. I would look askance at a University of Ottawa CV, and put it at the bottom of the pile.

After all this, what smart high school student is going to choose to study at the University of Ottawa? And knowing how smart high school students choose now, what employer is going to hire a U of O grad in a few years - given an alternative choice?

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At this point, the only reason the University of Ottawa exists is because taxpayers subsidize its customers. Why do taxpayers do this? Everyone is under the false impression that "university" is a value-added credential.

While I'm not particularly impressed with U of O either, you should know that the students in question were associated with Carleton not with U of O according to the article.

[msj]

Ah, yes, August has always been one to focus on the headline and ignore the details....

I'm sure his "informed" opinion about the UofO applies equally to Carleton since they are in the same geographic area?

[Jack Weber]

I've often wonderd how this country could truly achieve the multicutrual mosaic that it aspires to be.On balance,I don't think it can happen naturally.

For sure someone will call me a racist and a bigot...Maybe not,this is'nt Rabble,afterall...

But I'll give an example of hiw we might achieve this,andkeep in mind,there is historical precedent for this.It's no secret that there is a doctor shortage in many northern communities all over this country.It's also no secret that alot of well trained medical practitioners come from places like India.However,those practitioners have to wait for credentials to be up to Canadian standards when they arrive.

1.This country should have some sort of graduated apprenticeship program,or residency program,for immigrant professionals.

2.This apprenticeship program should be based on this country's labour requirements based on the geographical need for that skill

In otherwords,Doctor A might be from India,and he may have an extended family in any of the large urban centres in Canada.However,his skills are best suited in a place like...Hearst,Ontario...So the Immigration Dept.should be able to say that this country not only wants this persons skills,but in fact,needs them.We need them in Hearst,Ontario.Once you've served your apprenticeship,and have proven that you are competent by Canadian standards,in your field..We also want to you to sign a piece of paper that says that you will not leave this town for up to 7 years.That is to say,that person could'nt just serve that apprenticeship,and just go back to TO or something.

This would have 2 positive effects...

1.A town that does not have enough doctor's gets another one.

2.After more than approximately 10 years,that person would have been forced to become more "Canadian" simply because they would have had to interact with other people who were not of the same ethnicity as that person.Perhaps tey would meet someone,settle down,and,raise a family there.

We've done this before..This is exactly how this country settled the West.We said if you want a better live,we have land to be worked and you'll have the freedom to do so.

[Smallc]

That's actually happening to a certain extent in provinces that take the reins on immigration, as they are entitled to. Here, we have something called the provincial nominee program. We've used it to bring over skilled workers and nurses, as well as some doctors. It's proven extremely effective.

[August1991]

While I'm not particularly impressed with U of O either, you should know that the students in question were associated with Carleton not with U of O according to the article.

I was thinking about Anne Coulter, and I did a brief search on Carleton because that is where I understood this threatened violence occurred. I trusted the OP.

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My point? I would not recommend anyone to study at the UofO or Carleton. You will damage your CV. If you can choose elsewhere, go there. The U of O has the advantage of being bilingual but its reputation is so bad now that anyone would be better elsewhere.

[August1991]

Ah, yes, August has always been one to focus on the headline and ignore the details....

msj, I think you miss the main point.

It may be better to have no diploma at all, rather than a diploma from the University of Ottawa or Carleton University. IOW, applicants with a University of Ottawa or Carleton diploma are put at the bottom of the pile - while high school graduates are considered first.

IOW, a U of O or Carleton diploma is a signal of stupidity, incompetence.

[Guest American Woman]

I was thinking about Anne Coulter, and I did a brief search on Carleton because that is where I understood this threatened violence occurred. I trusted the OP.

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My point? I would not recommend anyone to study at the UofO or Carleton. You will damage your CV. If you can choose elsewhere, go there. The U of O has the advantage of being bilingual but its reputation is so bad now that anyone would be better elsewhere.

I guess a lot of people don't care about your recommendation or your opinion regarding either university as they both consistently rate high in the top universities of Canada, while U of O rates in the top 400 universities in the world.

So if this is true ..... "a U of O or Carleton diploma is a signal of stupidity, incompetence" ..... it really speaks badly for the vast majority of Canadian universities that didn't make the list.

[Born Free]

No, it's not just plain silly. If we get immigrants from Darfur, do we accept that they go start killing each other over the genocide, in Canada? No. If we get immigrants from China, do we accept if they go start oppressing immigrants from Tibet, in Canada? No. When we get immigrants from Russia and immigrants from Chechnya, is it all fine and dandy if they are fighting in the streets here in Canada? No. This is exactly the same. Part of being an immigrant is leaving your old conflicts at home. If people are not ready to do that, then they should not be let into Canada. If they hold their ancient hatreds as a higher priority than starting a new life, then let them stay in the lands that gave rise to their ancient hatreds.

You are under the mistaken assumption that all these violent acts are committed by interlopers from other countries. Guess again.

[Sir Bandelot]

Stalin attacked universities, in a similar manner. He feared them because they were intellectuals, much like Shady does. Eventually Stalin had the technocrats arrested, thrown into gulags

[msj]

msj, I think you miss the main point.

It may be better to have no diploma at all, rather than a diploma from the University of Ottawa or Carleton University. IOW, applicants with a University of Ottawa or Carleton diploma are put at the bottom of the pile - while high school graduates are considered first.

IOW, a U of O or Carleton diploma is a signal of stupidity, incompetence.

You are the one missing the point, August.

Sure, people like you, Shady, and other "anti-intellectual" types may be able to judge a person by the university they have attended.

Others, like me, prefer to judge based on more information about a person.

You're a headline reader and I'm a details guy and it shows.

It really does.

And that's also why threads like this get to be so popular: people like you get to throw out all of your generalizations about the subjects although you can't even be bothered to read a simple link, never mind get more details about the people involved and what has actually happenned.

People like you should be embarrassed and ashamed, and yet, on MLW, it's like some kind of masturbatory celebration every single day.

Edited April 7, 2010 by msj

[Sir Bandelot]

People like you should be embarrassed and ashamed, and yet, on MLW, it's like some kind of masturbatory celebration every single day.

Only if one wants to participate. These threads are never to be taken seriously, they are aimed at getting an emotional response.

If Shady was a fisherman, he'd always be trolling...

[Dave_ON]

I guess a lot of people don't care about your recommendation or your opinion regarding either university as they both consistently rate high in the top universities of Canada, while U of O rates in the top 400 universities in the world.

So if this is true ..... "a U of O or Carleton diploma is a signal of stupidity, incompetence" ..... it really speaks badly for the vast majority of Canadian universities that didn't make the list.

See now you went ahead and ruined a perfectly good thread that is full of baseless and broad assumptions with your insistence on applying logic and research.

For shame.

[Born Free]

See now you went ahead and ruined a perfectly good thread that is full of baseless and broad assumptions with your insistence on applying logic and research.

For shame.

What part of AW's statement are you in dispute with?

[Dave_ON]

What part of AW's statement are you in dispute with?

I was agreeing with her. She's pointed out on several occassions in this thread how absurd many of the postings are.

Sarcasm doesn't always translate very well in the written medium I suppose.

[M.Dancer]

Sarcasm doesn't always translate very well in the written medium I suppose.

It does for those with normal reading abilities.

[Born Free]

I was agreeing with her. She's pointed out on several occassions in this thread how absurd many of the postings are.

Sarcasm doesn't always translate very well in the written medium I suppose.

I was being sarcastic about your sarcasm...

[Shady]

I'm pointing out that it's more than getting the name of the university wrong.

It's in the same city of Ottawa. And both schools foster the same political environment.

[Shady]

Stalin attacked universities, in a similar manner. He feared them because they were intellectuals, much like Shady does. Eventually Stalin had the technocrats arrested, thrown into gulags

There's nothing intellectual about shutting down free speech. In fact, it's anti-intellectual, and directly the opposite a University of higher learning is suppose to be about. But yes, I'm as bad as Stalin for pointing out the hypocrisy and lack of real debate, discussion, and an intellectual environment.