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[Smallc]

Denying that antisemitism is extremely prevalent among Arabs would be even more disgusting. It is the simple truth. The fact that importing large numbers of immigrants from areas of the world where Jews are hated increases the danger to Jews in Canada is undeniable. It is not an issue of hate but of truth.

And I suppose that Jews don't hate arabs, and are completely innocent. What makes them so much more desirable?

[Bonam]

And I suppose that Jews don't hate arabs, and are completely innocent. What makes them so much more desirable?

When the story is of a mob of Jews chasing an Arab student through the streets of Canada and attempting to attack him/her with a Machete, you will have a point. Until then, you don't.

[Smallc]

When the story is of a mob of Jews chasing an Arab student through the streets of Canada and attempting to attack him/her with a Machete, you will have a point. Until then, you don't.

Well, until this becomes a regular occurrence, neither do you. It isn't as if this happens every day. You're just letting your racist side show through.

And I'm sure, somewhere, I could find an example of a jew attacking an arab....even leaving aside Israel.

[Bonam]

Well, until this becomes a regular occurrence, neither do you.

So we should sit and wait until pogroms are raging throughout Canada? I say this kind of racial hatred and violence needs to be stamped out before it becomes a major issue, not after.

Edited April 7, 2010 by Bonam

[Smallc]

So we should sit and wait until pogroms are raging throughout Canada? I say this kind of racial hatred and violence needs to be stamped out before it becomes a major issue, not after.

Right, and that includes keeping arabs out. Sorry, one form of racism doesn't solve another.

[Bonam]

Right, and that includes keeping arabs out. Sorry, one form of racism doesn't solve another.

No, reducing immigration (even doing so based on certain areas rather than across the board) is not racism. Immigration to Canada is not a human right and by denying immigration to Canada we are not infringing on anyone's rights. To select immigrants on the basis of those that would be most beneficial to Canada, including basing that selection on those who would be least likely to contribute to violence against certain groups of Canada's existing inhabitants, is not racism, it is simple pragmatism.

I am not advocating deporting existing Arab immigrants or infringing on their rights or freedoms in any way, that would indeed be racism. But simply arguing for the limitation of immigration from certain areas is not racism.

[Smallc]

No, reducing immigration (even doing so based on certain areas rather than across the board) is not racism. Immigration to Canada is not a human right and by denying immigration to Canada we are not infringing on anyone's rights. To select immigrants on the basis of those that would be most beneficial to Canada, including basing that selection on those who would be least likely to contribute to violence against certain groups of Canada's existing inhabitants, is not racism, it is simple pragmatism.

You can try to spin it how you want, but it's racist policy. Entering Canada isn't a right....but Canada is a multicultural state, and I don't think that your idea will fly, nor should it.

[Bonam]

You can try to spin it how you want, but it's racist policy. Entering Canada isn't a right....but Canada is a multicultural state, and I don't think that your idea will fly, nor should it.

Whether my idea "will fly" or not is irrelevant. Canadian politics are, obviously, largely outside of my control. However, my view is not racist and I have every right to express it and to advocate it.

[Smallc]

You do have every right...and I have very right to call it what I think it is.

[Bonam]

You do have every right...and I have very right to call it what I think it is.

Indeed you do. Now, besides throwing about the "racist" accusation in regards to my comments, do you have anything else to contribute to this thread?

[Smallc]

Yes, this thread is stupid.

[Bonam]

Yes, this thread is stupid.

Why? Besides Shady's factual error in the original post, what is wrong with bringing up a violent incident that happened in Canada and discussing its implications?

[Smallc]

It's stupid to generalize from isolated incidents. That's pointed at both you and Shady.

[Bonam]

It's stupid to generalize from isolated incidents. That's pointed at both you and Shady.

Oh, and just how many samples are sufficient before one can analyze them and try to reach some general conclusions, in your opinion? By the way, this is hardly the only incident demonstrating the danger that Jews in Western nations face as a result of violence perpetrated by Arab immigrants.

[Smallc]

How many incidents are there in Canada? How many incidents in terms of the total population? Ho many incidents in comparison to other types of violence?

Edited April 7, 2010 by Smallc

[Bonam]

How many incidents are there in Canada? How many incidents in terms of the total population? Ho many incidents in comparison to other types of violence?

From my point of view, one such incident is already one too many. If you are interested in stats, feel free to look them up. I'm sure there are a wide range of other violent incidents, but a mob of people motivated by antisemitism chasing down and attacking two peaceful students, is in a class all its own.

[Smallc]

From my point of view, one such incident is already one too many.

What makes this type of incident so special? It's violence motivated by hate. Just being against Jews doesn't somehow make it more terrible. It's bad because it is, not because it's against Jews. We're not going to start adding racism to our immigration system to protect one group when violence based on hatred happens to all types of groups. That isn't the answer. Education, like always, is part of the answer.

[Muddy]

Isralie Apartied week will and is going to create an atmosphere where Jewish students are going to feel unsafe.

This attack ,I believe if everything I heard is true, was fostered by Isralie Apartied week. It will give some Islamic youth the feeling they have a licence to go one step over hating Jewish students to the next step of violence.Apparently there are witness` to this machete attack and if the two victims were not fleet of foot someone may have been seriously hurt.By the way only one of the victims was Jewish. The thugs surmised the one who they centered their attack on was not. But he was being cursed as a Jew. So no one is safe from the hate being fostered by Isralie Apartied week. Be careful out there dear friends if you are mistaken as a Jew.

Now the Gays have a problem because they are going to have a float in the Toronto Gay Pride condemning Israel.

Now that one really is stupid. The only country where it is legal to be gay in the middle east is Israel and is a death penalty anywhere else. Some Jewish Gay people are really upset at their parade being high jacked.

[Bonam]

What makes this type of incident so special? It's violence motivated by hate.

All such incidents are "special" and deserve being looked at and studied and figuring out how to remedy them.

Just being against Jews doesn't somehow make it more terrible. It's bad because it is, not because it's against Jews.

Agreed. But in this case their targets were Jews and hence why the topic of antisemitism (rather than other types of racial hatred) is brought up in this discussion.

We're not going to start adding racism to our immigration system to protect one group when violence based on hatred happens to all types of groups.

First, like I said, it's not racism. You are quick to accuse me of racism and yet I don't hear you denouncing the clearly violent racist actions of the Arabs who perpetrated this particular event. Tell me, what do you think of those particular individuals?

That isn't the answer. Education, like always, is part of the answer.

Sure, I agree. Unfortunately, education for Arabs on how to behave civilly towards Jews does not seem to be served by creating segregated schools for Muslims. Tell me, what do you think of that policy? It was recently being discussed in Ontario but I'm not sure how it turned out.

[Smallc]

First, like I said, it's not racism.

So you say. I disagree.

You are quick to accuse me of racism and yet I don't hear you denouncing the clearly violent racist actions of the Arabs who perpetrated this particular event. Tell me, what do you think of those particular individuals?

Really, you didn't get that our of me saying it was terrible? I said it was terrible, they did a terrible thing because of some stupid hatred, probably based on racism. That's exactly what I think. I also don't think that two wrongs make a right.

Sure, I agree. Unfortunately, education for Arabs on how to behave civilly towards Jews does not seem to be served by creating segregated schools for Muslims. Tell me, what do you think of that policy? It was recently being discussed in Ontario but I'm not sure how it turned out.

If they're anything like the afrocentric school, they are arab centred, not arab segregated. I'm not generally in favour of such things, but if there are graduation problems and a more familiar style of teaching helps to improve that, it may be for the better.

[Bonam]

Really, you didn't get that our of me saying it was terrible? I said it was terrible, they did a terrible thing because of some stupid hatred, probably based on racism. That's exactly what I think. I also don't think that two wrongs make a right.

"Two wrong don't make a right" is a cliche, not some profound statement. Wrongs are punished with other "wrongs" (removing a person's rights and liberties) all the time, and we call this system "justice" and most people think of it as "right". Nations retaliate when they are attacked by others, killing people in the process, and this is called "self-defense" and most people consider that to be "right" as well.

If they're anything like the afrocentric school, they are arab centred, not arab segregated. I'm not generally in favour of such things, but if there are graduation problems and a more familiar style of teaching helps to improve that, it may be for the better.

And what effect do you think these "arab centered" schools might have on the attitude of their students to Jews? After all, in regular schools, people of different cultures mix and ideas of racial hatred may often melt away, even if some students are exposed to such ideas from their parents. I think Muslim schools will be turning out a lot of students who hate Jews. I think they are a bad idea, and a step in the opposite direction of the "education" you say needs to happen as part of the solution to remedy this kind of violence.

[Smallc]

"Two wrong don't make a right" is a cliche, not some profound statement. Wrongs are punished with other "wrongs" (removing a person's rights and liberties) all the time, and we call this system "justice" and most people think of it as "right". Nations retaliate when they are attacked by others, killing people in the process, and this is called "self-defense" and most people consider that to be "right" as well.

Let me rephrase. Racism doesn't fix racism.

And what effect do you think these "arab centered" schools might have on the attitude of their students to Jews? After all, in regular schools, people of different cultures mix and ideas of racial hatred may often melt away, even if some students are exposed to such ideas from their parents. I think Muslim schools will be turning out a lot of students who hate Jews. I think they are a bad idea, and a step in the opposite direction of the "education" you say needs to happen as part of the solution to remedy this kind of violence.

They can teach arabs not to hate jews in arab centric schools. Now, if only they could teach jews to not hate arabs.

[Bonam]

Let me rephrase. Racism doesn't fix racism.

No, but not letting in people who hold violent racist beliefs can prevent incidents of violent racism from happening on the streets of Canada.

They can teach arabs not to hate jews in arab centric schools.

Somehow I doubt that "Jew appreciation month" and "thank your neighborhood Jew" are on the agenda in those schools. Am I wrong?

[Mr.Canada]

Indeed you do. Now, besides throwing about the "racist" accusation in regards to my comments, do you have anything else to contribute to this thread?

Bonam, you should know better. Calling for any limits on immigration at all is "racist" according to the left.

Not only that but the left has long been aligned against Israel and the Jew. The left will always take the side of the Arab as is being displayed here in this thread.

If it had been a gang of whites with a machete on a black it would be terrible and calls would go out for severe punishment, race relation seminars in every school etc etc. Since it's only some Jews who get chased with a sword in Canada it's ok and not needed to be alarmed over.

This is the attitude of the ill mind of the socialist.

Edited April 7, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[Smallc]

No, but not letting in people who hold violent racist beliefs can prevent incidents of violent racism from happening on the streets of Canada.

Do you think they simply willingly open the door to such people now? How do you propose we test for this?

Somehow I doubt that "Jew appreciation month" and "thank your neighborhood Jew" are on the agenda in those schools. Am I wrong?

How should I know? I would rather they be taught to respect all people.