Anne Coulter comes to Canada

wyly · March 25, 2010

Your personal definition of "nazi", of course, which you've formulated so it fits the way you want to use the word.

no, as I've posted earlier, I've personally known genuine WW2 nazi's and a number of long talks with them their beliefs are no different that are displayed in this forum...and no different than Coulter's...changing the flag they carry(canadian or american)or the name they attach to themselves be it Neo-Conservative or Neo-republican or Aryan Brotherhood doesn't change the fact that they hold the same beliefs as Nazi's...

waldo · March 25, 2010

of course Dancer also holds to an absolute certainty that no vetting occurred... cause he just knows it to be so. Even though Dancer receives 2 separate suggestions from 2 separate posters that the UofO's student union president, told separate media (as reported by the separate media), that Coulter's organizers were vetting those allowed into the meeting hall... that only a quarter of the available seats were actually filled at 19:00 and no more persons were being allowed in. Go figure... three quarters of the seats were empty with a full crowd of "hundreds" waiting to enter. No unruly crowd behaviour... so says the Ottawa police. But did you hear all about Dancer's manufactured threats?
Allow me to make this a simple as possible for you.
Two people repeating the allegations from the same highly prejudiced source is 50% as valid as two people citing two separate highly prejudiced sources...which is to say, practically worthless...

So which is it Waldo...did they vet attendees over concerns

or did the cancel over concerns aboiut the attendees?

One or both of these are false.

of course, to your way of fabrication, the UofO student unions president is a, as you say, "highly prejudiced source". Apparently, the reason to only allow a quarter of the seats to be filled was... what... the organizers wanted a more cozy confine? :lol:

the reasons the organizers had for vetting the attendees would appear to be a want to control the audience... why... to rule the mob, Dancer!!!

DogOnPorch · March 25, 2010

I've personally known genuine WW2 nazi's and a number of long talks with them their beliefs are no different that are displayed in this forum...and no different than Coulter's

Yeah...right. Served at Stalingrad did you?

Edited March 25, 2010 by DogOnPorch

waldo · March 25, 2010

http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2010/03/24/13345676.html

In the end it was the organizers who canceled the event.

No reports of violence or threats.

whaaa! Didn't they talk to Dancer!!!

M.Dancer · March 25, 2010

of course, to your way of fabrication, the UofO student unions president is a, as you say, "highly prejudiced source".

Hardly a fabrication. They didn't even allow posters up to promote the event

Apparently, the reason to only allow a quarter of the seats to be filled was... what... the organizers wanted a more cozy confine?

Apparently you make stuff up

the reasons the organizers had for vetting the attendees would appear to be a want to control the audience... why... to rule the mob, Dancer!!!

So now you are saying they didn't cancel because they could not control the audience...then you retract the previous statement you made?

Good for you.

waldo · March 25, 2010

that's right Dancer... they were responding to your manufactured threats, they would only allow a quarter of the seats to be filled... and the 10 policeman weren't enough to deal with what was described as an orderly group waiting to enter.

GostHacked · March 25, 2010

The organizers are saying the police said there are concerns that they would need a new location. Plain and simple, the police siad find a new location or close.

Absolutely wrong. The police made the recommendation(that is all they can do) and the organizers made the call to cancel it because they could not find another venue on short notice that would accommodate the amount of people. A fire chief/inspector has the power to close the venue. Unless the laws have changed that allow police to close a bar due to over capacity.

Yeqah the cops can...I been at a pub on St Paddys day when they came in with a counter and found the place was over capacity by 50 people (the capacity was around 130) The manager wanted to just tell some of the drunker ones to leave and the cops said, no...you have already passed your limit, the place is closed for the night.

Looks like you are correct. The fire department can rely on cops to close the bar if it's over capacity. And they don't need to talk to the fire department. This is coming from a close friend of mine who is a firefighter here in Ottawa.

ZZelda · March 25, 2010

Exactly. She has ALL the same characteristics as a Nazi. It's a little known fact, but Adolf Hitler was a staunch supporter of Israel. Much in the same mold as Ann Coulter.

Not sure what you mean by Nazi characteristics could you please define that; so I can understand who Ann Coulter is and why their is so much concern if she speaks. Just make a list of what makes a person a Nazi. ty Have a good one ehh

DogOnPorch · March 25, 2010

Not sure what you mean by Nazi characteristics could you please define that; so I can understand who Ann Coulter is and why their is so much concern if she speaks. Just make a list of what makes a person a Nazi. ty Have a good one ehh

That's a question for wyly....

g_bambino · March 25, 2010

I've personally known genuine WW2 nazi's

Which has nothing to do with the fact that you abuse the true definition of "nazi" to suit your agenda.

Shady · March 25, 2010

says the person who calls everyone he disagrees with a leftist!

So you equate the term leftist with the term nazi? :blink:

:lol:

DogOnPorch · March 25, 2010

So you equate the term leftist with the term nazi?

Indeed...Stalinist is the correct term...lol.

M.Dancer · March 25, 2010

they were responding to your manufactured threats

A village has reported you missing...

M.Dancer · March 25, 2010

and the organizers made the call to cancel it because they could not find another venue on short notice that would accommodate the amount of people.

So had they not decided to cancel, and did not move to a new location...what would the outcome be?

waldo · March 25, 2010

Dancer, when you state, as you did, that you weren't aware of any actual threats... and continue to speak repeatedly about threats (you're not aware of)... you're manufacturing threats. You need to take your dance offline, practice a bit and come back with more substance/polish.

M.Dancer · March 25, 2010

Dancer, when you state, as you did, that you weren't aware of any actual threats...

I really don't know how to say it without violating forum rules...okay, did you fail 3 grade SpEd?

bush_cheney2004 · March 25, 2010

The threat assessment was real, and was made by those responsible to make such decisions. There were credible threats of assault on Ms. Coulter's person (e.g. food projectiles). This along with crowd size, lack of planning for vetting and security, increased the threat for harm to the speakers during ingress and egress from the venue, as well as harm to audience members and protesters.

Edited March 25, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

waldo · March 25, 2010

Morris, have you seen any media or read anything that indicated there was an actual threat to Coulter? It's manufactured.

No i haven't to be honest.
Dancer, when you state, as you did, that you weren't aware of any actual threats... and continue to speak repeatedly about threats (you're not aware of)... you're manufacturing threats. You need to take your dance offline, practice a bit and come back with more substance/polish.
I really don't know how to say it without violating forum rules...okay, did you fail 3 grade SpEd?

don't hold back now, hear? :lol:

waldo · March 25, 2010

The threat assessment was real, and was made by those responsible to make such decisions. There were credible threats of assault on Ms. Coulter's person (e.g. food projectiles). This along with crowd size, lack of planning for vetting and security, increased the the threat for harm to the speakers during ingress and egress from the venue, as well as harm to audience members and protesters.

ingress!.... egress! :lol: Wait a minute... planning for vetting? Dancer assures us there was no vetting - none... so the lack of planning for it is somewhat moot :lol:

bush_cheney2004 · March 25, 2010

ingress!.... egress! Wait a minute... planning for vetting? Dancer assures us there was no vetting - none... so the lack of planning for it is somewhat moot

Hardly...even you should know better than that. Security measures are based on assessed threats and risks, limited only by available resources. The UofO did not plan for additional security, particularly after fallout from the prior event at UWO. They did not plan adequately in the face of actual and assessed threat(s).

M.Dancer · March 25, 2010

Morris, have you seen any media or read anything that indicated there was an actual threat to Coulter? manufactured.

No i haven't to be honest..

Let me lead you by the nose Waldo. Other than statements in the media by spokespeople either by Clouter or Levent I have seen no evidence. Nor have I seen any evidence othe than statements by the police and the crown that Bernardo is guilty.

Along the same vein, I have seen no evidence that Coulter vetted the guests or that they closed it down because of they feared that the guests would heckle. Yet you have no problem repeating those "manfactured" claims.

Hypocrite much Waldo?

DogOnPorch · March 25, 2010

I had to go on stage once in front of a capacity (somewhat drunken) crowd to tell them that the RCMP had shut down the DOA concert...tell me about 'threat assessment'...lol. How good are you at ducking flying beer bottles...lol.

Shady · March 25, 2010

We Shut Down Ann Coulter
*We figured we'd never get in, but a quick call to pals let us know about a back door that was unlocked.

*Once inside we had to find the main lecture area. We met up with lots of other activists trying to do the same.

*We met up with two security guards calling for back up instead.

*More activists kept coming, but we knew we had to find another way in. We decided to move our growing group back to the front and try to rush the front doors.

*So we rushed the doors and quickly overwhelmed security.

*After a while we heard that the fire alarm had been pulled and that's why the blue light was on (left).

The fire department came, but because we didn't hear an alarm, and the police were the ones saying it was an alarm, and that we all had to clear out...we ignored them again.

*Then more police showed up, but they were just more police to ignore.

*This is a picture of an RCMP officer who was asking people to move back. He was completely ignored by absoloutely everyone.

Manufactured??? :rolleyes:

nicky10013 · March 25, 2010

Hardly...even you should know better than that. Security measures are based on assessed threats and risks, limited only by available resources. The UofO did not plan for additional security, particularly after fallout from the prior event at UWO. They did not plan adequately in the face of actual and assessed threat(s).

Unlike pretty much everyone here, I've actually orgnaized university events. I managed a bar/lounge at my campus and in previous years before I took over, certain parties or events had a reputation of being crazier than others. Drunks arrested for assaulting campice police, cocaine use in washrooms etc. The onus was never on the University to provide security. It was always on us and the same goes for any other campus. If we wanted to run the event, we had to hire and pay from our own budget the necessary security. To blame this on U of O is short sighted. Ezra Levant should be the one who is blamed.

Argus · March 25, 2010

actually no, just those on this forum who are...I've known a number of the real Nazi's not the wannabe's on this forum so ya I recognize a Nazi or a sympathizer when I meet one, this forum has about 7 or 8 of them...

Really? What's a Nazi look like, Bozo?