nicky10013 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Manufactured??? Since when is ignoring the police tantamount to violence. Quote
Shady Posted March 25, 2010 Author Report Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) Unlike pretty much everyone here, I've actually orgnaized university events. How exactly do you know that nobody here has organized university events? Are you psychic? Or just speaking out of your ass? Ezra Levant should be the one who is blamed. Again, I'm heartened to see that liberals now feel that blaming the victim is a reasonable response. I'll remember that when a girl gets raped. Edited March 25, 2010 by Shady Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 says the person who calls everyone he disagrees with a leftist! actually no, just those on this forum who are...I've known a number of the real Nazi's not the wannabe's on this forum so ya I recognize a Nazi or a sympathizer when I meet one, this forum has about 7 or 8 of them... Bull poop. You've never met a nazi sympathizer in your life. You wouldn't know it if you saw it, you are spouting pure BS. If not prove it. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
nicky10013 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 How exactly do you know that nobody here has organized university events? Are you psychic? Or just speaking out of your ass? Again, I'm heartened to see that liberals now feel that blaming the victim is a reasonable response. I'll remember that when a girl gets raped. Because of all the people blaiming U of O. Anyone who has ever organized a university event or knows the politics behind universities themselves should know that the governing bodies of universities don't bring in guest speakers. Professors, students, student groups, outside groups who petition for the use of campus space do. The university just says yes, but here are our guidelines. A university will never give up their campus police just for the sake of it. Organizers have the responsibility of paying for the venue, paying for decorations/set up costs, renting equipment and paying for security. Officers don't come cheap. Between 50-60 dollars per hour per officer. If there wasn't enough security, blame Levant. IF there was and the officers thought there was just too much of a threat, blame the unruly students. In no way is this the university's fault. Quote
waldo Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 How exactly do you know that nobody here has organized university events? Are you psychic? Or just speaking out of your ass? Again, I'm heartened to see that liberals now feel that blaming the victim is a reasonable response. I'll remember that when a girl gets raped. ah yes... now we have it! Ezra Levant - victimized! Shady, glad to see you making use of social networking... I understand Levant did the same in making his determination to shut er down (for, uhhh.... safety reasons. Ya, that's right - for safety reasons; publicity for his HRC vendetta had nothing to do with it... at all - yup, fer sure). I understand Levant can speak to Facebook comments, although I'll let the CBC'c Kady O'Malley comment on her review of Levant's "Facebook testimony" A quick scan reveals that, amid the myriad ensuing discussion threads debating the best way to respond to her then upcoming appearance on campus, there are also several references to pie-ings, and one that suggests the poster would like to "dip her in gravy and lock her in a room with a wolverine high on angel dust," which, I have to say, sounds a wee bit logistically difficult to necessitate a last minute cancellation for security reasons, but I leave it to readers to judge whether any of the comments constitute threats to her person or public safety. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Because of all the people blaiming U of O. Anyone who has ever organized a university event or knows the politics behind universities themselves should know that the governing bodies of universities don't bring in guest speakers. Professors, students, student groups, outside groups who petition for the use of campus space do. The university just says yes, but here are our guidelines. A university will never give up their campus police just for the sake of it. Organizers have the responsibility of paying for the venue, paying for decorations/set up costs, renting equipment and paying for security. Officers don't come cheap. Between 50-60 dollars per hour per officer. If there wasn't enough security, blame Levant. IF there was and the officers thought there was just too much of a threat, blame the unruly students. In no way is this the university's fault. Being a former organizer of Dj parties, you speak much truth. The security is up to me not the people I rent the venue from. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Come on Wyly post a list of criteria of what you think makes a modern day Nazi or Nazi sympathizers and lets see the list of people you have supposedly been in contact with that you are calling Nazis or Nazi sympathizers. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Argus Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 of course, to your way of fabrication, the UofO student unions president is a, as you say, "highly prejudiced source". Well, he's a leftist wingnut on record as calling her a hatemonger and opposing her speech. He's also one of the principal organizer of anti-israel week (Israel apartheid week) and I think it's a pretty small stretch to say he's biased. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
nicky10013 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Well, he's a leftist wingnut on record as calling her a hatemonger and opposing her speech. He's also one of the principal organizer of anti-israel week (Israel apartheid week) and I think it's a pretty small stretch to say he's biased. He may be biased, but she is a hate monger. Quote
waldo Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Well, he's a leftist wingnut on record as calling her a hatemonger and opposing her speech. He's also one of the principal organizer of anti-israel week (Israel apartheid week) and I think it's a pretty small stretch to say he's biased. yes, yes... Argus got in his Jewish theme, after all! Quote
Argus Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Unlike pretty much everyone here, I've actually orgnaized university events. I managed a bar/lounge at my campus and in previous years before I took over, certain parties or events had a reputation of being crazier than others. Drunks arrested for assaulting campice police, cocaine use in washrooms etc. The onus was never on the University to provide security. It was always on us and the same goes for any other campus. If we wanted to run the event, we had to hire and pay from our own budget the necessary security. To blame this on U of O is short sighted. Ezra Levant should be the one who is blamed. Yet they provided security for Anti-Israel-apartheid week... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Being a former organizer of Dj parties, you speak much truth. The security is up to me not the people I rent the venue from. And if hundreds of people hostile to you show up trying to force their way in the police will tell you to close down? Or will they tell the non-ticket holders to get lost and arrest them if they refuse? Oh wait, the police will not even come without being paid, right? So if there is a disturbance outside they'll just say "Sorry, we're not doing anything unless you hire more of our off duty guys." Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shakeyhands Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Manufactured??? Ouch... sounds unruley!!! It was manufactured. No threats were made. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Argus Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 He may be biased, but she is a hate monger. It is apparent, that like the rest of the lefties here, you are familiar with the term only as "Something you say to conservatives who are rude", without the slightest concept of it's actual legal definition. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
nicky10013 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Yet they provided security for Anti-Israel-apartheid week... The University paid for security? Bahahahaha. Right. Believe me when I say this because I have experience in this. Universities like to make money. That's why they pass the costs on to students. Just because security was there doesn't mean the university paid for it. The students do. Quote
blueblood Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Because of all the people blaiming U of O. Anyone who has ever organized a university event or knows the politics behind universities themselves should know that the governing bodies of universities don't bring in guest speakers. Professors, students, student groups, outside groups who petition for the use of campus space do. The university just says yes, but here are our guidelines. A university will never give up their campus police just for the sake of it. Organizers have the responsibility of paying for the venue, paying for decorations/set up costs, renting equipment and paying for security. Officers don't come cheap. Between 50-60 dollars per hour per officer. If there wasn't enough security, blame Levant. IF there was and the officers thought there was just too much of a threat, blame the unruly students. In no way is this the university's fault. The University does have some responsibility for their part of this mess, albeit they don't receive much. Management gave the green light for the circus to roll into town. As management, they bear responsibility for what happens. If a company is losing money, its management that gets scrutinized far more than say the shady accountant who is directly responsible for it. This illustrates why management gets paid far more than a guy on the assembly line. The decisions management makes, have far more implications than the decisions people lower down make. Management let the genie out of the bottle, the "university" has no one to blame but themselves. Then there is the letter from management to Ann Coulter, that's black eye number two. That being said, there is also plenty of blame to go to various student groups, the organizers, and the protesters that apparently overwhelmed security. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
M.Dancer Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Ouch... sounds unruley!!! It was manufactured. No threats were made. And you know that because....? Tell me, before they thought of black holes...before black holes were discovered....did black holes exist? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Argus Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 yes, yes... Argus got in his Jewish theme, after all! Apparently, like many of the zealots from the leftist fringes, you are incapable of separating the term "Israel" from the term "Jew". Perhaps this is why so many of you guys hate Jews. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
nicky10013 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 And if hundreds of people hostile to you show up trying to force their way in the police will tell you to close down? Or will they tell the non-ticket holders to get lost and arrest them if they refuse? Oh wait, the police will not even come without being paid, right? So if there is a disturbance outside they'll just say "Sorry, we're not doing anything unless you hire more of our off duty guys." Like I said, universities have guidelines. You have to present an event plan. If it's deemed contraversial, you have to provide security otherwise the university won't let you the space. If the non-ticket holders are outside the venue, they'll be allowed to continue. If they're inside without a ticket, or doing something illegal, you better believe they'll be not only thrown out, but arrested and charged. Quote
nicky10013 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 The University does have some responsibility for their part of this mess, albeit they don't receive much. Management gave the green light for the circus to roll into town. As management, they bear responsibility for what happens. If a company is losing money, its management that gets scrutinized far more than say the shady accountant who is directly responsible for it. This illustrates why management gets paid far more than a guy on the assembly line. The decisions management makes, have far more implications than the decisions people lower down make. Management let the genie out of the bottle, the "university" has no one to blame but themselves. Then there is the letter from management to Ann Coulter, that's black eye number two. That being said, there is also plenty of blame to go to various student groups, the organizers, and the protesters that apparently overwhelmed security. You're missing the point here, the university isn't the management. It's simply the venue. The organizers of the event are the management. Quote
Shady Posted March 25, 2010 Author Report Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) He may be biased, but she is a hate monger. Nope, he's the hatemonger. And you hate free speech, unless it's speech you agree with. Edited March 25, 2010 by Shady Quote
blueblood Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 You're missing the point here, the university isn't the management. It's simply the venue. The organizers of the event are the management. Your not seeing the forest for the trees. As you have said, "The University" says yes or no to an event taking place. We both no that the organizers didn't simply roll into a random hall on campus and decided to have a lecture by Ann Coulter. "The University" shoulders some of the blame for the gong show that has taken place, they had the power to say yes or no. They decided to let the Ann Coulter express come through and now have to deal with a trainwreck. If the University didn't want to deal with this fiasco, they could have turned the group down long ago and that would have been the end of it. They made the choice to permit this event, now they have to live with it. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Shady Posted March 25, 2010 Author Report Posted March 25, 2010 Ouch... sounds unruley!!! It was manufactured. No threats were made. Well, it was manufactured in the sense that it was all planned by the leftist brownshirts in an effort to silence free speech. Quote
wyly Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 The University paid for security? Bahahahaha. Right. Believe me when I say this because I have experience in this. Universities like to make money. That's why they pass the costs on to students. Just because security was there doesn't mean the university paid for it. The students do. correct the venue does not pay for security...they can supply it for an additional fee... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Shady Posted March 25, 2010 Author Report Posted March 25, 2010 correct the venue does not pay for security...they can supply it for an additional fee... You hate free speech. Quote
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