Israel continues to spit in the face of international law

[bush_cheney2004]

So far reports indicate there were only two pistols found on board. Presumably a ships captain usually has at least one.

Presumably? For what....suicide? Mutiny? LOL!

[BCMan]

One reported said that the ships had building supplies which were going to be used to fix water wells. Any building supplies that help the Gazans are prohibited

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/30/reports-israeli-ships-attack-aid-flotilla-dead/

I've been watching this the past week, and it came to a head. Any thoughts? I should not be surprised with Israel's response to the flotilla, but I am really wondering and would be surprised if they opened fire on the Israeli forces first or if they opened fire only after the ship was boarded by Israeli forces. If that was the case then I think Israel is in the wrong with boarding those ships. Being in international waters, I guess anything goes.

It seems most ships have been captured and brought to an Israeli port for processing before items are allowed into Gaza.

Several countries have called in their ambassadors to Israel. Turkey suspended a military exercise with Israel. And apparently there were a couple ships carrying the US flag as well.

But it seems there is no official or any report of any kind listing what Israel bans from the West Bank and Gaza. it is on a case by case situation. The amount of items allowed to enter into Gaza is very limited compared to before the blockade in 2007.

Thoughts?

[GostHacked]

One reported said that the ships had building supplies which were going to be used to fix water wells. Any building supplies that help the Gazans are prohibited

Any materials that would help out Hammas is prohibited. If you are banning materials to build/repair a water well, you are underwriting their death sentences and like JB Globe says, you end up collectively punishing the Palestinian people.

[DogOnPorch]

Any materials that would help out Hammas is prohibited. If you are banning materials to build/repair a water well, you are underwriting their death sentences and like JB Globe says, you end up collectively punishing the Palestinian people.

Hamas = Gaza

[bush_cheney2004]

Any materials that would help out Hammas is prohibited. If you are banning materials to build/repair a water well, you are underwriting their death sentences and like JB Globe says, you end up collectively punishing the Palestinian people.

Oh...you mean like banned "dual-use" materials for Iraq? Now why would Canada want to punish the Iraqi people like that?

[bloodyminded]

Hamas = Gaza

Rampant oversimplifications = servility to Power.

[DogOnPorch]

Rampant oversimplifications = servility to Power.

Who voted for 'em again? Refresh me...

[bloodyminded]

Who voted for 'em again? Refresh me...

"Hamas = Gaza" is a preposterous oversimplification...and I suspect you know this, but just don't care.

Tell me when you're in the mood for an honest debate. You might even get some enjoyment from such a thing.

[DogOnPorch]

"Hamas = Gaza" is a preposterous oversimplification...and I suspect you know this, but just don't care.

Tell me when you're in the mood for an honest debate. You might even get some enjoyment from such a thing.

So...you don't know who voted for 'em??

[bloodyminded]

So...you don't know who voted for 'em??

You don't know?

[DogOnPorch]

You don't know?

Gosh...no. Could you spell it out so all can see?

[bloodyminded]

Gosh...no. Could you spell it out so all can see?

You can't spell?

[DogOnPorch]

You can't spell?

Here...I'll say it for you since your brain seems to have fallen on the floor.

Gazan residents voted for Hamas. Overwhelmingly apparently...you getz whatcha payz for.

[bloodyminded]

Here...I'll say it for you since your brain seems to have fallen on the floor.

Gazan residents voted for Hamas. Overwhelmingly apparently...you getz whatcha payz for.

Voting overwhelmingly does not give people what they paid for. The Palestinians were not voting for Hamas to be thugs; but that's what they got. I too have never intentionally voted for criminals who overthrow democratic regimes in obedience to the US and France...nevertheless, that's what I got.

You should reserve your hatred for Hamas, and take on the radical notion that most Palestinians are normal, decent, innocent people. It's not a terrific leap of imagination to understand such a basic truism.

[DogOnPorch]

Voting overwhelmingly does not give people what they paid for. The Palestinians were not voting for Hamas to be thugs; but that's what they got. I too have never intentionally voted for criminals who overthrow democratic regimes in obedience to the US and France...nevertheless, that's what I got.

You should reserve your hatred for Hamas, and take on the radical notion that most Palestinians are normal, decent, innocent people. It's not a terrific leap of imagination to understand such a basic truism.

I'm sure most Germans weren't dyed-in-the-wool Nazis, either. Only a tiny fraction took it upon themselves to try and rid Germany of Hitler. So unless there are some Pally versions of Graf von Stauffenberg out there...well...you connect the dots.

[bloodyminded]

I'm sure most Germans weren't dyed-in-the-wool Nazis, either. Only a tiny fraction took it upon themselves to try and rid Germany of Hitler. So unless there are some Pally versions of Graf von Stauffenberg out there...well...you connect the dots.

Yes, and when we connect the dots, we realize that our governments have supported terrorists that make Hamas look like Gandhi. Like I said, why do we hold the Palestinian voters to a higher standard than we hold ourselves?

[DogOnPorch]

Yes, and when we connect the dots, we realize that our governments have supported terrorists that make Hamas look like Gandhi. Like I said, why do we hold the Palestinian voters to a higher standard than we hold ourselves?

Oh yawn...

[Sir Bandelot]

Presumably? For what....suicide? Mutiny? LOL!

A pistol has many uses. It's not a weapon, it's a TOOL

[Argus]

Voting overwhelmingly does not give people what they paid for. The Palestinians were not voting for Hamas to be thugs; but that's what they got. I too have never intentionally voted for criminals who overthrow democratic regimes in obedience to the US and France...nevertheless, that's what I got.

You should reserve your hatred for Hamas, and take on the radical notion that most Palestinians are normal, decent, innocent people. It's not a terrific leap of imagination to understand such a basic truism.

When people vote into power a terrorist entity which vows to destroy their large, powerful neighbor by any means necessary those people should not be unduly surprised to find that large, powerful neighbour takes umbrage.

[naomiglover]

When people vote into power a terrorist entity which vows to destroy their large, powerful neighbor by any means necessary those people should not be unduly surprised to find that large, powerful neighbour takes umbrage.

What's their/your excuse for Israel's violations of international law during the time PLO was in power? PLO changed its charter to recognize Israel and all international laws relevant to the region. This happened in the late 80's.

[bush_cheney2004]

What's their/your excuse for Israel's violations of international law during the time PLO was in power? PLO changed its charter to recognize Israel and all international laws relevant to the region. This happened in the late 80's.

Sorry...not good enough...the Arafart's Black September kidnappings and murders in 1972 (Munich) was not changed by any "charter".

[naomiglover]

Sorry...not good enough...the Arafart's Black September kidnappings and murders in 1972 (Munich) was not changed by any "charter".

Nothing is good enough. This has become obvious.

The Israeli government will continue to delay any progress so that they could take as much land as possible while you and the rest of the apologists will continue to apologize for these war criminals. It's an all too familiar cycle.

[bush_cheney2004]

Nothing is good enough. This has become obvious.

The Israeli government will continue to delay any progress so that they could take as much land as possible while you and the rest of the apologists will continue to apologize for these war criminals. It's an all too familiar cycle.

Fine by me...."apologist" is just more of your weak position rhetoric. Try "staunch supporter and defender" of Israel's right to exist instead. Take your weak game back to where it comes from and face the reality of geopolitics and power. Your "international laws" mean nothing without muscle to back them up, and that's why it's a "familiar cycle".

[myata]

Fine by me...."apologist" is just more of your weak position rhetoric. Try "staunch supporter and defender" of Israel's right to exist instead.

And if the eyes of the staunchly supported and defended" the right to exist is synonimous with continuous policy of provocation and aggression, as is becoming clearer and clearer with each day and act... would that make them now "staunch supporters, etc" of provocation, aggression, gross misuse of military power amounting to state perpetrated terror.. and so on?

[bush_cheney2004]

And if the eyes of the staunchly supported and defended" the right to exist is synonimous with continuous policy of provocation and aggression, as is becoming clearer and clearer with each day and act... would that make them now "staunch supporters, etc" of provocation, aggression, gross misuse of military power amounting to state perpetrated terror.. and so on?

Yes...of course...this is not a difficult exercise in logic or reality. We can dispense with the detached feel-good human rights foreplay and get to the matter at hand. Your move....