CP Learns that CSIS interrogated tortured Afghan Detainees

[Shady]

Sorry, but I think that Canadians will care about this.

Nope. The left will. But your average Canadian is concerned about jobs and the economy. Not whether or not some Taliban lowlife was ruffed up. Once again guys, you're gonna have to find another topic to make political hay from. Canadians don't care. When will you people understand this???

[waldo]

I don't believe in giving quarter as we do nowadays. We should just kill them in the battlefield. None of this would be an issue if they were just killed in battle.

right - let's do away with any/all agreements, treaties, conventions or protocols that might presume to set the standards in international law for humanitarian treatment during war. After all, war is hell!

[eyeball]

You think it's Canada's place to tell a foreign nation how to conduct its affairs, I don't.

No I think it's Canada's place to stay home and mind it's own Goddamn business.

[PIK]

Sorry, but I think that Canadians will care about this.

You mean the left.I would like to know what the liberals knew and when they knew it, since it was them that made up the rules ,that harper has changed. Edited March 8, 2010 by PIK

[bush_cheney2004]

No I think it's Canada's place to stay home and mind it's own Goddamn business.

Hard to mine somebody else's copper doing that!

[Shady]

right - let's do away with any/all agreements, treaties, conventions or protocols that might presume to set the standards in international law for humanitarian treatment during war. After all, war is hell!

False choice. You should probably stick to defending man-made global warming. Your feint knowledge comes off a little better on that topic.

[Shady]

No I think it's Canada's place to stay home and mind it's own Goddamn business.

We were. Until terrorists from that particular area decided to stick their nose in business on this side of the world.

[eyeball]

I am not to blame for the damage caused by your tinfoil ingestion.

I need not explain to you what you said, but I have to cause you have a limited attention span...you said|: And now its becoming our's...

Becoming speaks to the future, I never said killing prisoners IS our SOP. Given enough lying assholes like you however it is quite possible killing prisoners will become our SOP. Our allies and proxies do it already so...it's only a matter of time before we do too.

[waldo]

we're not talking about the early years and circumstances where prisoners were handed directly over to the U.S. - are we? Aren't we talking about the actual detainee agreement with Afghanistan, as signed by Hillier... and Karzai? The agreement that effectively deployed during the transition of governments, Liberal to Conservative?

Yes, the one that was authored by the Liberals after they felt sad about turning prisoners over to the US, who may end up in the carribean paradise...

yes, at what point were prisoners no longer directly handed over to the U.S.? At what point and in relation to what agreement, were prisoners no longer handed over to the U.S.? Yes, that's right - the agreement as signed by Hillier and Karzai... the agreement that was deployed during the transition of governments, Liberal to Conservative. As I said, the Conservatives certainly had an ability to stop that deployment or to amend that agreement, at any point all through the year after where problems with treatment of detainees were being presented, were being made aware of. Yes, Conservatives could certainly stand up and take responsibility, assume accountability... or... they could continue to hide behind the refusal to release information to Parliament.

[waldo]

False choice. You should probably stick to defending man-made global warming. Your feint knowledge comes off a little better on that topic.

exx me, you dishonest lying PxS

Edited March 8, 2010 by waldo

[eyeball]

I don't believe in giving quarter as we do nowadays. We should just kill them in the battlefield. None of this would be an issue if they were just killed in battle.

I'm quite certain Morris would agree. You guy's have a lot more in common than meets the eye.

[nicky10013]

You're serious?

No I proved you wrong. you claimed that:

So far, none have turned up alive.

The first who was thought to be captured was actually killed in a firefight. The second, of the person that was actually captured, is in good health and still being held by the taliban. So, their SOP isn't what you say it is.

Nonsense. There is no complicity

Soldiers knew that there was torture going on. There is no doubt that it got up the chain of command to Natynczyk. They were still obliged to turn them over. Now it comes out that CSIS not only interrogated those prisoners but tortured a person in Egypt? Please, these people knew what was going on. If that's not complicity, then tell me what is.

Hmmmm....still waiting for proof about the title ...speaking of knowing what we are talking about.

The proof is in the article that you apparently never read. CSIS interrogated and then turned over prisoners to Afghan authorities.

[Alta4ever]

nice try - that initial program was deployed by the Conservatives during the transition of governments. Conservatives certainly had free reign to amend that program before deployment... they were in control at that point. Conservatives certainly had an ability to amend that program at any point there after, particularly when all the problems started to be uncovered. As is typical, Conservatives will attempt to deflect any and all responsibility - they would presume to govern in 'name only' and not accept accountability for their actions... or lack of.

it was signed dec 18 2005

so who negotiated it since at that time conservatives were sitting in the opposition benches.

Since this rhetorical and you have trouble with these, it was the martin government, and was done this way since the martin government did not want to turn prisoners over to the americans.

Edited March 8, 2010 by Alta4ever

[Alta4ever]

But but but the Liberals...This sort of apology is particularly disgusting.

We're talking about CANADA. CANADA is alleged to have acted no better than it's so-called enemies. Are you okay with that?

Bah garbage, this just a scandal witch hunt.

[Shady]

exx me, you dishonest lying PxS

I'm not lying. You're presenting a false choice. It's not a choice between doing away with all agreements, treaties, conventions or protocols. That's pure hyperbole. The type of hyperbole that usually comes from the man-made global warming crowd. So I'm not surprised.

[eyeball]

Nope. The left will. But your average Canadian is concerned about jobs and the economy. Not whether or not some Taliban lowlife was ruffed up. Once again guys, you're gonna have to find another topic to make political hay from. Canadians don't care. When will you people understand this???

Maybe when planes fly into our skyscrapers, OTOH that might make it even easier to convince more Canadians to crap on other peoples human rights. Perhaps you could dare to hope this would even give the government the justification it needs to start rounding up lefties.

[Alta4ever]

So? This is more of the same, "well if the Liberals did it, it must be alright." It isn't! I don't care who did it, this is a national disgrace.

Right, your so full of BS.

[nicky10013]

it was signed dec 18 2005

so who negotiated it since at that time conservatives were sitting in the opposition benches.

Since this rhetorical and you have trouble with these, it was the martin government, and was done this way since the martin government did not want to turn prisoners over to the americans.

The Liberals should've known better when signing the agreement, but where in the real world does it absolve the Conservatives for knowing what was going on and subsequently doing nothing (at the very least, there are now allegations that the Conservatives pushed for harsh interrogation)? Just because the Liberals signed the agreement doesn't make today's government any less accountable for what has gone on since Harper came to power in 2006.

[eyeball]

You mean the left.I would like to know what the liberals knew and when they knew it, since it was them that made up the rules ,that harper has changed.

I'd like to know this too.

[nicky10013]

Right, your so full of BS.

Coming from a person who only posts according to the daily talking points. Classic.

[Shady]

Perhaps you could dare to hope this would even give the government the justification it needs to start rounding up lefties.

More hyperbole. Can any of you have a discussion without resorting to massive and ridiculous exaggeration??? Did a bunch of you just graduate from hyperbole class today???

[Alta4ever]

Yes, the alternatives could be instead of handing them over to the Afghans who we KNOW torture, or we could detain them ourselves. Easy solution. You've got a better one?

Where smart ass? Afganistan is sovereign territory and who would be the Jailers? Our already over taxed solders?

[eyeball]

Hard to mine somebody else's copper doing that!

We learned from the best in the business.

So did you. George Washington would puke if he'd lived to see that.

[Alta4ever]

Maybe when planes fly into our skyscrapers, OTOH that might make it even easier to convince more Canadians to crap on other peoples human rights. Perhaps you could dare to hope this would even give the government the justification it needs to start rounding up lefties.

We are a member of NATO and attack on one is an attack on all.

[nicky10013]

Where smart ass? Afganistan is sovereign territory and who would be the Jailers? Our already over taxed solders?

Apparently CSIS loves the job. Ask them to do it. And for sovereign territory, if it really is so sovereign I guess we should pack up our bases and move back to Canada.