Women in Somalia forced by hardliners to shake their breasts

[naomiglover]

Somalia’s hardline Muslim extremists have ordered women to shake their breasts to determine if they are wearing "un-Islamic" bras.

The orders have been carried out at gunpoint by a group called Al Shabaab, who are running the streets of Mogadishu.

Women are publicly inspected to see if they have natural firmness or if there is assistance from a bra.

The Daily Mail has reported that some women have been publicly whipped for wearing hidden undergarments, with insurgents claiming that it is a "deceptive" act to violate Islam by wearing bras.

Al Shabaab is attempting to impose a strict interpretation of Sharia law over all Somalia.

They have also been known to whip men caught without a beard.

The group has also banned movies, most musical events, dancing at wedding ceremonies and soccer playing.

http://story.australianherald.com/index.ph...id/555958/cs/1/

How can we in the west, put pressure to deter such things. How far can we go or should we go to stop them?

[Guest TrueMetis]

We can't take any direct military action, that will just make things worse. Do we trade anything with them? we could stop.

[Thomas Kwon]

why does somalia even exist?

the world would be so much better if the african continent had no native inhabitants.

[Guest TrueMetis]

why does somalia even exist?

the world would be so much better if the african continent had no native inhabitants.

You have serious issues.

[jbg]

why does somalia even exist?

the world would be so much better if the african continent had no native inhabitants.

I am not a fan of political correctness. I suspect you are looking to stir the pot.

[bush_cheney2004]

why does somalia even exist?

the world would be so much better if the african continent had no native inhabitants.

.....but then there would be no people on any continent.

[kimmy]

Perhaps rather than Westerners sticking our noses in where we aren't wanted, maybe somebody from the Muslim world could tell these people that they're being asses.

I mean, we're always hearing about how this sort of clown actually represents only a tiny portion of the Muslim faith. Ok, so why don't the Moderate Muslim Majority speak up against these clowns?

It would certainly be more meaningful coming from other Muslims than it would from corrupt infidels.

.....but then there would be no people on any continent.

yeahyeahyeah, it's the cradle of civilization and all that. but oftentimes it seems that civilization got out of the crib, wandered off, and hasn't been back since.

-k

[lictor616]

Somalia’s hardline Muslim extremists have ordered women to shake their breasts to determine if they are wearing "un-Islamic" bras.

The orders have been carried out at gunpoint by a group called Al Shabaab, who are running the streets of Mogadishu.

Women are publicly inspected to see if they have natural firmness or if there is assistance from a bra.

The Daily Mail has reported that some women have been publicly whipped for wearing hidden undergarments, with insurgents claiming that it is a "deceptive" act to violate Islam by wearing bras.

Al Shabaab is attempting to impose a strict interpretation of Sharia law over all Somalia.

They have also been known to whip men caught without a beard.

The group has also banned movies, most musical events, dancing at wedding ceremonies and soccer playing.

http://story.australianherald.com/index.ph...id/555958/cs/1/

How can we in the west, put pressure to deter such things. How far can we go or should we go to stop them?

hardly surprising for the cesspit of savagery and dearth that is Somalia...

[myata]

How can we in the west, put pressure to deter such things. How far can we go or should we go to stop them?

By enforcing our own, rightful moral standards upon anybody who appears to be falling below, regardless of whether they want, ready to accept them, or not?

After all, our way of life is obviously superior, and it should be forced on everybody else, for their own good, of course.

We can't seem to recall that only a few generations back we were burning witches and used fragrances to remedy blackpox, and we can't really wait till others catch up, of their own will and timing.

[Guest American Woman]

Perhaps rather than Westerners sticking our noses in where we aren't wanted, maybe somebody from the Muslim world could tell these people that they're being asses.

I mean, we're always hearing about how this sort of clown actually represents only a tiny portion of the Muslim faith. Ok, so why don't the Moderate Muslim Majority speak up against these clowns?

As you speak up against everything your government does wrong? As you speak up against collateral death? As you speak up against all that's wrong in the world? Seems to me I recall your saying you have no need to speak up since others are. Perhaps they all feel the same way.

It would certainly be more meaningful coming from other Muslims than it would from corrupt infidels.

I doubt it would. I think most of us realize that the extremists are not only going after 'western infidels,' but they are also going after Muslims who don't live by their 'standards;' their interpretation of Islam. Therefore, what moderate Muslims have to say would most likely be as meaningful as what we have to say.

[eyeball]

We can't take any direct military action, that will just make things worse. Do we trade anything with them? we could stop.

Foreigners

Al-Shabaab is said to have non-Somali foreigners in its ranks, particularly at its leadership[35]. Fighters from the Persian Gulf and international jihadists were called to join the holy war against the Somali government and its Ethiopian allies. Though Somali Islamists did not use suicide bombing tactics before, the foreign elements of Al-Shabaab are blamed for several suicide bombings.[36][37] UN's 2006 report stated Iran, Libya, Egypt and others in the Persian Gulf region as the main backers of the Islamist extremists. Egypt has a longstanding policy of securing the Nile River flow by destabilizing Ethiopia.[38][39] Similarly, recent media reports also cited Egyptian and Arab jihadists as the core elements of the Al-Shabaab, who are training Somalis in sophisticated weaponry and suicide bombing techniques.[40] A few young Somali men who have emigrated with their families to the United States have also reportedly been recruited to fight in Somalia.[41] According to UN Security Council documents, submitted by the US there are some 280-300 fighters being used by Somali rebel groups, mostly Al-Shabaab.[42] The Eritrean government has been accused of arming and financing Al Shabab by the Somali government, the AU, the UN and the US government. Plane loads of weapons said to be coming from Eritrea were sent to anti-government rebels in southern Somalia. AU peacekeepers also reportedly captured some Eritrean soldiers and prisoners of war.[43][44]

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I think we'd have to stop trading with countries that trade with them to have any real lasting effect. Trying to change the world one country at a time will take to long, we have to go after all of them at the same time.

[M.Dancer]

I think we'd have to stop trading with countries that trade with them to have any real lasting effect. Trying to change the world one country at a time will take to long, we have to go after all of them at the same time.

So you think Canada does a lot of trade with Somalia?

[Oleg Bach]

Any culture of men that are fixated on breasts as some sort of sexual orgain are wimps and cowards - looking for a mother and not a wife....too bad that this hetro-phagness has spread world wide..

[naomiglover]

Perhaps rather than Westerners sticking our noses in where we aren't wanted, maybe somebody from the Muslim world could tell these people that they're being asses.

I mean, we're always hearing about how this sort of clown actually represents only a tiny portion of the Muslim faith. Ok, so why don't the Moderate Muslim Majority speak up against these clowns?

It would certainly be more meaningful coming from other Muslims than it would from corrupt infidels.

yeahyeahyeah, it's the cradle of civilization and all that. but oftentimes it seems that civilization got out of the crib, wandered off, and hasn't been back since.

-k

How responsible are other Muslims when it comes to Somalia or even other fundamentalist groups like the Taliban? How much power do other Muslims have?

I don't know what the debate is in the Muslim world about Somalia. Do you?

[naomiglover]

I doubt it would. I think most of us realize that the extremists are not only going after 'western infidels,' but they are also going after Muslims who don't live by their 'standards;' their interpretation of Islam. Therefore, what moderate Muslims have to say would most likely be as meaningful as what we have to say.

I agree.

So how can they be stopped? Should we and can we turn away and let it play out?

There is very little trade between Somalia and western countries, so boycotting and sanctions would be pointless.

[bush_cheney2004]

yeahyeahyeah, it's the cradle of civilization and all that. but oftentimes it seems that civilization got out of the crib, wandered off, and hasn't been back since.

...just sayin'.....be careful what you wish for.

[Guest American Woman]

I agree.

So how can they be stopped? Should we and can we turn away and let it play out?

There is very little trade between Somalia and western countries, so boycotting and sanctions would be pointless.

There's nothing we can/should do. As distasteful as we may find their actions, we can't attack every nation whose culture we disapprove of and force them to change-- and really, what else would bring about the change other than something that drastic? Some change has to come from within, when the citizens have had enough and refuse to take any more. Other change just happens slowly over time. This seems to be one of those instances where one or the other will have to take place in order for things to change.

I suppose the one thing we could do is have groups over there 'educating' the people, showing them a better way by example; building schools, hospitals, giving more strength/power to the people. This might encourage them to openly object in numbers, which will be the only way to do it. They will need a show of strength themselves in order to overcome the present situation.

Edited October 21, 2009 by American Woman

[Oleg Bach]

A religion based on "let me see your tits" - seems to lose all credibility in my book. This sounds like a prelude to authoritarian sanctioned rape of woman about to take place on even a more massive scale than before. Is there not one person in Somalia with any intelligence or common sense? No wonder they are a failed state! Pirates and boobs and Mohamid sending down his blessings from above - This proves my point that evil and stupidy are brother and sister. It also proves my point that all religions are spawned by mankind and all at their core are evil - Judaism _ so-called Christianity and Islam have had more than enough time to prove their worth - all have failed!

This report from Somalia shows clearly that they have gotten so base over their that now they are using religion not only to plunder terrorize and kill - but are now using it to feel up poor woman with no hope of self defence or even a place to run and hide - well done Mohamid...you jerk!

[jbg]

Perhaps rather than Westerners sticking our noses in where we aren't wanted, yeahyeahyeah, it's the cradle of civilization and all that. but oftentimes it seems that civilization got out of the crib, wandered off, and hasn't been back since.

That's actually not surprising. My pet theory is that the people with "get up and go" themselves "got up and left". That is to say that the brighter, more driven people moved on and the less motivated stayed behind.

The results speak for themselves.

[Thomas Kwon]

That's actually not surprising. My pet theory is that the people with "get up and go" themselves "got up and left". That is to say that the brighter, more driven people moved on and the less motivated stayed behind.

The results speak for themselves.

youuu beeez racyiisstt and sheeyit

[Oleg Bach]

youuu beeez racyiisstt and sheeyit

Just like the rich that vacated Tiawan before their ill gotten wealth was repoed. So they came to Canada and moved into monster homes. I wonder how this group will behave when all the money runs out? Will they exploit us though crimminal behavior the way they did their former country men?

[Thomas Kwon]

Just like the rich that vacated Tiawan before their ill gotten wealth was repoed. So they came to Canada and moved into monster homes. I wonder how this group will behave when all the money runs out? Will they exploit us though crimminal behavior the way they did their former country men?

what are you talking about?

[Oleg Bach]

what are you talking about?

Ooops....your name is Kwon...okay - it was not those from the Pacific rim that are a tad corrupt...it's everybody..except for those in Somalia who have no choice though poverty to admit they are pirates and rapists...and holy Muslims that need boobs to be natural....I don't know - what do you want to talk about?

[M.Dancer]

I'm not sure if I follow the story and I've read it a couple of times from different sources.

Do the islamicists want women to wear Bras or do they want women to having swaying breasts?

Now given my preference, which I am sure is contrary to the laws of decency and polite society, but I like swaying, bouncing and happy breasts...and I like them because they turn me on ...so what are the Somailis all worked up about? Swaying breasts or bras?

[wulf42]

I am not surprised!.............those people will never learn, 100 hundred years from now

they will still live like cavemen...they just can t seem to progress forward.