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[monkeyman]

We call it an honour killing when a woman's entire family plots her murder to atone for some sin she apparently caused towards said family's honour.

Of course, 1,5 B of Muslims do that.

[lictor616]

Blatantly false.

Blatantly false. All people of all races and all religions have rights in Israel, the same rights as anyone else.

Another blatant lie.

A blatant lie,

rejection without qualification, I expected that... i'll reply , but I don,t want to talk about Jews any further...

It's nice to see taht you're completely ignorant of how the Knesset has rejected many bills to legalize non-jewish weddings... You,re either A/ignorant or b/ lying to cover israel.

not only is non-jewish marriage not legally done in Israel, even NOMINALLY jewish people get refused because of lack of pure jewish blood:

http://www.nif.org/issue-areas/religious-p.../tubav-wedding/

here a couple is denyied marriage in israel because the Rabbinate doesn’t recognize that they are Jewish.

If you're a non-jew you can't legally buy land in Israel.

and why not, here are some direct quotations from the Talmud...

Sanhedrin 59a: “Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal.”

Abodah Zara 26b: “Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.”

Sanhedrin 59a: “A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death.”

Libbre David 37: “To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.”

Libbre David 37: “If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death.”

Yebhamoth 11b: “Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age.”

Schabouth Hag. 6d: “Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.”

Hilkkoth Akum X1: “Do not save Goyim in danger of death.”

Hilkkoth Akum X1: “Show no mercy to the Goyim.”

Choschen Hamm 388, 15: “If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth.”

Choschen Hamm 266,1: “A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people.”

Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: “A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.”

Baba Necia 114, 6: “The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts.”

Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: “When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.”

Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.”

Aboda Sarah 37a: “A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.”

Gad. Shas. 2:2: “A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.”

Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: “If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible.”

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: “It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces.”

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: “All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples.”

Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: “How to interpret the word ‘robbery.’ A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy.”

Seph. Jp., 92, 1: “God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations.”

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: “When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.”

Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: “A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean.”

Nedarim 23b: “He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, ‘Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null’. His vows are then invalid.”

Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has “exposed their money to Israel.

clearly... i'm all making this up in my anti-semite brain right? riiiiiiight....

Edited August 28, 2009 by lictor616

[jbg]

Hurt no one? have you ever heard of this region called "Palestine"? Maybe not, but do look it up sometime.

Why then did it take an Egyptian named Yasir Arafat, a relative of the infamous Mufti of Jerusalem, to invent a "Palestinian" identity? Perhaps since the "Arab refugee" claims didn't play as well as the claims of a phony indigenous movement to create another basket-case country with a kleptocratic government.

really? I suppose you think that resentment of Jews is all perfectly irrational... even for such a country as Germany (which was the apogee of the sciences and of philosophy)...

Did you ever Read "Germany Must Perrish" by Theodore Kaufman 1936? Howabout "Propaganda" by Edward Bernays? Anyways you'll find some pretty objectionnable content in there.. Kaufman suggests that all nordic Europeans should be killed. Bernays wrote that it was the right of Jews to own the means of communications as god's people.

Who are these "authorities' such as Kaufman and Bernays? How many Jews had or have heard of them or follow them?

And then there's the religion... which teaches that non-jewish goyim are profane cattle who's only purpose in existence is service to the Jewish master race.. .

i could find a person or two who think this is a bit unpleasant.

I have gone to relgious school and one of my sons does as well. Neither my son nor I have been taught this.

but yes, the majority of jews I know are really great people... funny, intelligent and quite nice.

Thanks for the compliment.

[jbg]

Muhammad Ali has Parkinson's disease.....since 1984. Try again......

Deleted. Joke in very poor taste. Edited August 28, 2009 by jbg

[DogOnPorch]

Of course, 1,5 B of Muslims do that.

If you insist.

[Bonam]

and why not, here are some direct quotations from the Talmud...

Sanhedrin 59a: “Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal.”

Abodah Zara 26b: “Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.”

Sanhedrin 59a: “A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death.”

Libbre David 37: “To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.”

Libbre David 37: “If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death.”

Yebhamoth 11b: “Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age.”

Schabouth Hag. 6d: “Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.”

Hilkkoth Akum X1: “Do not save Goyim in danger of death.”

Hilkkoth Akum X1: “Show no mercy to the Goyim.”

Choschen Hamm 388, 15: “If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth.”

Choschen Hamm 266,1: “A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people.”

Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: “A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.”

Baba Necia 114, 6: “The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts.”

Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: “When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.”

Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.”

Aboda Sarah 37a: “A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.”

Gad. Shas. 2:2: “A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.”

Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: “If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible.”

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: “It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces.”

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: “All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples.”

Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: “How to interpret the word ‘robbery.’ A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy.”

Seph. Jp., 92, 1: “God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations.”

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: “When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.”

Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: “A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean.”

Nedarim 23b: “He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, ‘Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null’. His vows are then invalid.”

Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has “exposed their money to Israel.

clearly... i'm all making this up in my anti-semite brain right? riiiiiiight....

Actually yes, most of that is blatant falsehood. Some of those are complete fabrications from "books" that don't even exist, others have key words mistranslated, and others are taken so completely out of context as to almost entirely reverse their meaning. A refutation to a good many of your "quotations":

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/media.html

In any case, in regards to those places where any such references may exist, you'll find even fewer Jews taking such crap seriously than you will Christians taking seriously similarly stupid passages from their texts.

[monkeyman]

If you insist.

Haha you're pathetic, you're for people that kill their wives if they are not Muslims, if they are Muslims it's worse.

Both are extremely bad

[Argus]

hmmm, in Israel a jew cannot legally marry a non jew...

And is that interfering in your life in some way? You can't convert from Islam to some other religion in many Muslim countries - on pain of the death penalty. Do you care about that?

Israel is also the world capital of the east european sex slave trade, and since the women in this trade are not jews, they have no rights in Israel

Actually, old Yugoslavia holds that distinction. And people indeed do have human rights in Israel, regardless of their religion. I'm sure there are sex slaves there, as there are here, as there are in the US as there are elsewhere. That's the world we live in. But I've seen no evidence there are more there than anywhere else. Nor have you presented any. Nor is that actually relevent to anything of substance. Do you hate Croats because of the sex trade there?

The slave trade goes on because it is happening to non-jews,

And people are absymally treated in many countries because they are non-citizens. The middle east sheikdoms have a history of importing hundreds of thousands of asians to do all their dirty jobs and treating them like dogs. And they truly do have no rights.

I agree that religions all have their serious flaws, but Judaism is pretty unique in this respect.

No, it actually isn't.

Also the porn industry is dominated by Jews...

Evidence? Cite? Someone done a poll (no pun intended) on porn stars and industry "executives"?

[Argus]

Haha you're pathetic, you're for people that kill their wives if they are not Muslims, if they are Muslims it's worse.

Both are extremely bad

The goats need tending. Abdul is sniffing at the poison oak again and Muhammed fell into a ditch. Best get running!

[Moonbox]

Actually yes, most of that is blatant falsehood. Some of those are complete fabrications from "books" that don't even exist, others have key words mistranslated, and others are taken so completely out of context as to almost entirely reverse their meaning. A refutation to a good many of your "quotations":

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/media.html

Haha. He's making you look pretty ignorant lictor.

[Mr.Canada]

That's your point of view. A bit Xenophobic and Racist.

I think it's Muslims who are xenophobic not us. Why else would they segregate themselves away from the rest of us? Muslims need to change not Canadians. They came here, we didn't got there. This is my country, not theirs they need to change to adapt to me not I to them.

If they don't like Canada and how we live they need to go find somewhere else to live that's more suitable to their needs.

Edited August 28, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[monkeyman]

I think it's Muslims who are xenophobic not us. Why else would they segregate themselves away from the rest of us? Muslims need to change not Canadians. They came here, we didn't got there. This is my country, not theirs they need to change to adapt to me not I to them.

If they don't like Canada and how we live they need to go find somewhere else to live that's more suitable to their needs.

What Muslims are you speaking about ? The huge majority that integrate perfectly well in OUR country, or the exceptions that are assholes and that don't want to know anything about Canada. Or Both ?

[wulf42]

What Muslims are you speaking about ? The huge majority that integrate perfectly well in OUR country, or the exceptions that are assholes and that don't want to know anything about Canada. Or Both ?

I agree with you Monkeyman......there are many that live in my high rise and they seem to fit in great

i see them going with their hockey gear and my neighbour goes to the cottage every weekend water sking.

i have no problem with that and actually the father told me the other day his family doesn't follow islam his children really don t follow it at all but it is the one's that do we have to root out!

If they don t want to learn about Canada then they should be stopped before ever letting them step one foot onto Canadian soil!

Edited August 28, 2009 by wulf42

[DogOnPorch]

Islam and the West are still like oil and water. While individual Muslims are nice enough on a whole, the relationship is still combative due to historical reasons. Islam seeks to dominate...that's just the nature of the beast. Much in the same way Christianity can't be trusted around science, Islam can not be trusted to share our values re: freedom of choice/speech/women...etc.

[monkeyman]

I agree with you Monkeyman......there are many that live in my high rise and they seem to fit in great

i see them going with their hockey gear and my neighbour goes to the cottage every weekend water sking.

i have no problem with that and actually the father told me the other day his family doesn't follow islam his children really don t follow it at all but it is the one's that do we have to root out!

If they don t want to learn about Canada then they should be stopped before ever letting them step one foot onto Canadian soil!

Brilliant comment.

[monkeyman]

Islam and the West are still like oil and water. While individual Muslims are nice enough on a whole, the relationship is still combative due to historical reasons. Islam seeks to dominate...that's just the nature of the beast. Much in the same way Christianity can't be trusted around science, Islam can not be trusted to share our values re: freedom of choice/speech/women...etc.

How come most of Muslim countries, women can vote?

What do you know about Islam except from what tv. shows you?

Another bunch of stupid generalizations

[DogOnPorch]

How come most of Muslim countries, women can vote?

What do you know about Islam except from what tv. shows you?

Another bunch of stupid generalizations

I just told you. Historically, Islam and the West are enemies. Only in the last few generations has the West become 'enlightened' enough to open up the doors that had been shut for centuries due to Islam's destructive nature. Islam...not so 'enlightened', merely uses the opportunity to push forward the Islamic agenda. While you may or may not care about this agenda, there are plenty of Muslims in positions of power that do and openly call for the West's destruction. Islam is the religion of peace in the sense that there will be 'peace' once everyone has been converted to Islam.

[bush_cheney2004]

.... Islam is the religion of peace in the sense that there will be 'peace' once everyone has been converted to Islam.

But the funny part is that when they die and go to heaven, they will be back to square zero with the "infidels" already there.

[Argus]

How come most of Muslim countries, women can vote?

What do you know about Islam except from what tv. shows you?

Another bunch of stupid generalizations

Your response is idiotic, as per usual. There are no Muslim democracies to begin with. Most Muslim countries have women voting? For what? Name them?

[monkeyman]

I just told you. Historically, Islam and the West are enemies. Only in the last few generations has the West become 'enlightened' enough to open up the doors that had been shut for centuries due to Islam's destructive nature. Islam...not so 'enlightened', merely uses the opportunity to push forward the Islamic agenda. While you may or may not care about this agenda, there are plenty of Muslims in positions of power that do and openly call for the West's destruction. Islam is the religion of peace in the sense that there will be 'peace' once everyone has been converted to Islam.

Then WHY, when Islam conquered Spain, they didn't force SPANISH PEOPLE to become Muslims????? Do you have an answer.

You're going TOO FAR, the point was the following: Many Muslim Canadians are EXACTLY the same as WHITE CANADIANS, they play hockey, go to strippers, drink beer, have sex etc. As a Canadian citizen you must confess that the majority of Muslims in Canada integrate really well. Now why the fuck are you speaking to me about centuries ago and Koran etc... etc..

We could do the same thing with the Bible, doesn't it say "EYE FOR EYE, TOOTH FOR TOOTH" (OEUIL POUR OEUIL, DENT POUR DENT)....

[monkeyman]

Your response is idiotic, as per usual. There are no Muslim democracies to begin with. Most Muslim countries have women voting? For what? Name them?

No there's no American Democracy, you know the one where you can create false picture to go and kill thousands of people in Iraq.

Just to prove you AGAIN that you're an ignorant, I'll list you the Muslim countries where women can vote. But you'll probably give me a silly reply because you have nothing to say about my FACTS.

Here we go Mr Ignorance:

Tunisia

Algeria

Turkey

Morocco

Iran

Libya

Koweit

Irak

Nigeria

Jordan

Bahrein

Yemen

Sudan

Iran

Afghanistan YES THEY DO (IGNORANT)

Burundi

Madagascar

Tanzania

MAURICE (ILE MAURICE)

Somalia

Lebanon

senegal

Kazakthzan Uzbekistzan and those countries....

http://www.linternaute.com/femmes/carriere...roit-vote.shtml

So what will you say now ? You want a website ?

Now Mr Ignorant, please shut up and realize that IN MOST MUSLIM COUNTRIES women can vote. But again you will find another dumb excuse to say I made mistake, Muslim suck, they are all violent people (mohamed ali was the perfect example ) bla bla bla

Edited August 28, 2009 by monkeyman

[DogOnPorch]

Then WHY, when Islam conquered Spain, they didn't force SPANISH PEOPLE to become Muslims????? Do you have an answer.

You're going TOO FAR, the point was the following: Many Muslim Canadians are EXACTLY the same as WHITE CANADIANS, they play hockey, go to strippers, drink beer, have sex etc. As a Canadian citizen you must confess that the majority of Muslims in Canada integrate really well. Now why the fuck are you speaking to me about centuries ago and Koran etc... etc..

Christians and Jews in Andalus were dhimmis and were subject to the jizya. As for Muslims in Canada...things will be fine enough until a certain percentage of the population being Muslim is reached then we can expect activities similar to those found in Europe. Can you hold the swearing down? This is a family forum.

We could do the same thing with the Bible, doesn't it say "EYE FOR EYE, TOOTH FOR TOOTH" (OEUIL POUR OEUIL, DENT POUR DENT)....

Not being Christian, I wouldn't know.

[monkeyman]

Oh and Mr Ignorance (Argus) I didn't list them all because you're ignorant enough

[monkeyman]

Christians and Jews in Andalus were dhimmis and were subject to the jizya. As for Muslims in Canada...things will be fine enough until a certain percentage of the population being Muslim is reached then we can expect activities similar to those found in Europe. Can you hold the swearing down? This is a family forum.

Not being Christian, I wouldn't know.

OF COURSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Again you suppose............they have 5 M of American in the States and they ask for NOTHING, they are INTEGRATED, they integrate really well....Now what ? Did you saw Turkish people ask to have Germany for themselves ? Of course you'll find me AN ANECDOTE and you'll say, YES THEY DID. But the HUGE MAJORITY DOES'NT ASK FOR ANYTHING. BY THE WAY, YOU SUPPOSE SUPPOSE AND SUPPOSE.

Again poor argument.

[DogOnPorch]

No there's no American Democracy, you know the one where you can create false picture to go and kill thousands of people in Iraq.

Just to prove you AGAIN that you're an ignorant, I'll list you the Muslim countries where women can vote. But you'll probably give me a silly reply because you have nothing to say about my FACTS.

Here we go Mr Ignorance:

Tunisia

Algeria

Turkey

Morocco

Iran

Libya

Koweit

Irak

Nigeria

Jordan

Bahrein

Yemen

Sudan

Iran

Afghanistan YES THEY DO (IGNORANT)

Burundi

Madagascar

Tanzania

MAURICE (ILE MAURICE)

Somalia

Lebanon

senegal

Kazakthzan Uzbekistzan and those countries....

http://www.linternaute.com/femmes/carriere...roit-vote.shtml

So what will you say now ? You want a website ?

Now Mr Ignorant, please shut up and realize that IN MOST MUSLIM COUNTRIES women can vote. But again you will find another dumb excuse to say I made mistake, Muslim suck, they are all violent people (mohamed ali was the perfect example ) bla bla bla

While many Muslim countries have grudgingly allowed woman's sufferage due to pressures from the West, it isn't universal in the majority of cases. For example, while women may be allowed to vote, they are not able to hold office.