Muslim Honor Killing in Kingston

[Guest American Woman]

Guilty of 1st degree murder, 4 counts each, father, mother and son.

Justice is done.

Four women and girls are still dead.

May they now have some peace.

So how long before they can be out on parole?

[eyeball]

So how long before they can be out on parole?

Probably not soon enough for anyone seeking to galvanize and stoke people's desire for vengeance instead of justice.

Edited January 29, 2012 by eyeball

[cybercoma]

So how long before they can be out on parole?

4 counts of first degree murder? Probably no sooner than 35 years or so.

[capricorn]

4 counts of first degree murder? Probably no sooner than 35 years or so.

Under Section 745 of the Criminal Code of Canada, offenders serving a life sentence for murder may be considered for parole after serving 15 years of their sentences.

Offenders serving life sentences for first-degree murder become eligible for unescorted temporary absences and day parole three years before their full parole eligibility date (normally 25 years). An offender may apply for escorted temporary absences after admission to a federal institution.

http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/faits/03-06-eng.shtml

In Canada, a life sentence doesn't mean incarceration for the rest of one's life.

[cybercoma]

4 counts. Given the circumstances of the case, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they were consecutive, rather than concurrent. Which means no sooner than 60 years.

[capricorn]

4 counts. Given the circumstances of the case, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they were consecutive, rather than concurrent. Which means no sooner than 60 years.

We don't have consecutive sentences, we have concurrent sentences for multiple offences.

edit see: "Russell Williams - Williams received two 25-year life sentences for the first degree murders of Jessica Lloyd, 27, and Marie-France Comeau, 38.

He was also sentenced to one year each for his 82 break and enter charges, and 10 years for each of his four sexual assault and forcible confinement charges. All sentences will be served concurrently, meaning Williams will serve a total of 25 years before he is eligible to apply for parole."

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20101021/williams_sentence_101021/

Edited January 29, 2012 by capricorn

[DogOnPorch]

Probably not soon enough for anyone seeking to galvanize and stoke people's desire for vengeance instead of justice.

Well, gosh...don't do anything you'll regret.

[GostHacked]

Justice served. Good stuff.

[eyeball]

Well, gosh...don't do anything you'll regret.

Moi? Never.

[sharkman]

Guilty of 1st degree murder, 4 counts each, father, mother and son.

Justice is done. There is no "honour" here.

Four women and girls are still dead.

May they now have some peace.

The sentence must send a message that honor killing will not be treated as just another murder. These sick depraved people who believe in honor killing must understand that in Canada, their beliefs will not be 'tolerated' as just another religous creed no different than any other.

[sharkman]

Probably not soon enough for anyone seeking to galvanize and stoke people's desire for vengeance instead of justice.

You've no doubt heard of the crime. I'm pretty sure you understand the nature of 'honor killing'. You are aware that 3 daughters and a mother were murdered. And your first thought is to alude to hate and vengence in Canadians. What's wrong with you?

[capricorn]

The sentence must send a message that honor killing will not be treated as just another murder.

I'd like to do a leaflet drop over Afghanistan summarizing this case to make sure Afghans are aware that should you immigrate to Canada, if you perpetrate such killings here you will not get away with it.

[Guest American Woman]

http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/faits/03-06-eng.shtml

In Canada, a life sentence doesn't mean incarceration for the rest of one's life.

I wonder why a sentence that doesn't ever amount to a life sentence is handed down as a "life sentence." It would make more sense to just say "35 years" or whatever it is they actually have to serve.

[William Ashley]

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Charges+all...6807/story.html

murderes happen all the time, its not like white hicks don't kill no one for cheaten on them neva too.

suddenly you put a turban on it and give it a fancy name like it came from the marines corp slogan and it becomes evil rather than misguided and wrong.

Edited January 29, 2012 by William Ashley

[Guest American Woman]

murderes happen all the time, its not like white hicks don't kill no one for cheaten on them neva too.

suddenly you put a turban on it and give it a fancy name like it came from the marines corp slogan and it becomes evil rather than misguided and wrong.

Aren't they, the ones committing the honor killings, the ones that "put a fancy name on it" and think they should be above the law?

[jacee]

The sentence must send a message that honor killing will not be treated as just another murder. These sick depraved people who believe in honor killing must understand that in Canada, their beliefs will not be 'tolerated' as just another religous creed no different than any other.

"Honour killing" is just murder, nothing less, and in this case premeditated 1st degree murder.

"Honour killing" means nothing in Canada, except an indication of motive and premeditation.

A crime is a crime.

It was important that this case demonstrated that clearly, and it has.

Edited January 29, 2012 by jacee

[sharkman]

Aren't they, the ones committing the honor killings, the ones that "put a fancy name on it" and think they should be above the law?

Very true.

[Boges]

I wonder why a sentence that doesn't ever amount to a life sentence is handed down as a "life sentence." It would make more sense to just say "35 years" or whatever it is they actually have to serve.

Well that would mean the person will have to be released in 35 years.

All this means is that in 25 years these ghouls get a parole hearing. We can't assume what they would be like in a quarter century. The parents will be in their 80's by the time they'll be up for parole not exactly a threat to re-offend, but I'm sure there's a public will to have all the people convicted today die in prison.

Then again they have said they will appeal the decision so this story isn't over.

[eyeball]

You've no doubt heard of the crime. I'm pretty sure you understand the nature of 'honor killing'. You are aware that 3 daughters and a mother were murdered. And your first thought is to alude to hate and vengence in Canadians. What's wrong with you?

Nothing, and you're mistaken as to what I was alluding to. I was alluding to vengeance in the Canadian justice system. I guess I've just come to expect the soft-on-crime and punishment rhetoric and sure enough here are people getting worked up over the possibility of a release and parole date that hasn't even been announced yet.

I suspect for some people anything less than 60 years in a cell, with a psychotic rapist, will be like a hug that's concurrent with a slap on a wrist.

[Guest American Woman]

Well that would mean the person will have to be released in 35 years.

All this means is that in 25 years these ghouls get a parole hearing. We can't assume what they would be like in a quarter century. The parents will be in their 80's by the time they'll be up for parole not exactly a threat to re-offend, but I'm sure there's a public will to have all the people convicted today die in prison.

Since their purpose for committing the murders was to "cut off 'the diseased limb of their family tree,'" and they accomplished that, it's unlikely even at this point in time that they would "re-offend," so how much is that really a factor in the sentencing? How much should it be? And really, why shouldn't they die in prison? The lives they took are gone forever.

Then again they have said they will appeal the decision so this story isn't over.

Does an appeal have to be approved - or will it happen automatically, just because they want one?

[capricorn]

All this means is that in 25 years these ghouls get a parole hearing.

I don't know Boges.

From my earlier link, it looks like they could apply for parole after serving 15 years.

Then again they have said they will appeal the decision so this story isn't over.

AFAIK, the right of appeal on a murder conviction is automatic. More moolah for the defence attorneys. I would expect a judge could reject hearing the appeal after examining the grounds of the appeal, like the Trial judge erred on something like admissibility of evidence.

You're right though, chapter two coming soon.

[DogOnPorch]

murderes happen all the time, its not like white hicks don't kill no one for cheaten on them neva too.

suddenly you put a turban on it and give it a fancy name like it came from the marines corp slogan and it becomes evil rather than misguided and wrong.

White hicks? What's that?

[William Ashley]

Aren't they, the ones committing the honor killings, the ones that "put a fancy name on it" and think they should be above the law?

who says anything about how they think. You are bieing culturally ignorant. One persons right is not anothers.

Its like people punishing their children.. not acceptable in inuit societies etc..

it all depends where you come from. intantacide is not too far in the distant past of many societies.

women were owned in many societies. it wasn't until this past 100 years that women started regaining rights.

who is to say right and wrong.

it is common sense on some matters but those who are not enlightened, and americans arn't can't claim superior culture.

[sharkman]

Nothing, and you're mistaken as to what I was alluding to. I was alluding to vengeance in the Canadian justice system. I guess I've just come to expect the soft-on-crime and punishment rhetoric and sure enough here are people getting worked up over the possibility of a release and parole date that hasn't even been announced yet.

I suspect for some people anything less than 60 years in a cell, with a psychotic rapist, will be like a hug that's concurrent with a slap on a wrist.

Okay then, if you are alluding to the Canadian Justice System, then my piont stands even more so. Our justice system is very lenient, you have no reason to suggest there will be vengence coming from it.

And yet you then reference Canadians here getting worked up, which sure sounds like you are concerned with vengence coming from Canadians. So whichever it is, it is still a strange response from you that in the face of this aweful religious hate crime where a family premeditatedly murders members of their family, your first thought is to decry vengence in either the justice system OR Canadians.

But maybe it's just me.

[Guest American Woman]

who is to say right and wrong.

We are. In our countries. Thank God.

it is common sense on some matters but those who are not enlightened, and americans arn't can't claim superior culture.

I think we can.