capricorn Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 You can be given consecutive sentences for first and second degree murder in Canada now, but I don' think that was available here, as that wasn't the law when this trial began: http://news.gc.ca/web/article-eng.do?nid=598999 I believe that for the same reason, the faint hope clause still applies in this case. Thanks Smallc. I think you're right, the law that existed when they were charged would apply. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Smallc Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Thanks Smallc. I think you're right, the law that existed when they were charged would apply. I believe that's the case, anyway, as I still hear about 2 for 1 credit being given out for cases. You would think most of those cases would soon be gone. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 I was just thinking about something. The consecutive sentences that I come across are usually given when someone is already serving a sentence and they commit another crime. Sometimes a suspended sentence will be converted into a consecutive. Now that I think about it, I've never seen someone get a consecutive sentence at trial for multiple charges. Nevertheless, when parole comes up they take into consideration that you're serving concurrent sentences, so chances are none of these guys are getting out after 15 years. Unless, of course, they just want to deport them and get it over with. I would rather they stay in jail. The last thing they deserve is to be free in another country. Quote
jacee Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 I'd like to believe you CC. I just can't! I'm not saying it's impossible, just more like winning the same lottery several times! I'm willing to be proven wrong, though. Shall we wait and see how the trial comes out? Umm ... it's over. Quote
Wild Bill Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Umm ... it's over. Yep! And the sentences were indeed concurrent. What else is new? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Smallc Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Yep! And the sentences were indeed concurrent. What else is new? There was no choice in the matter. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Yep! And the sentences were indeed concurrent. What else is new? There is nothing longer than "life". They can't give out consecutive life sentences. Quote
Wild Bill Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 There is nothing longer than "life". They can't give out consecutive life sentences. That's just the law hiding behind a definition. It's likely that a majority of Canadians believe that Life means Life. They would be appalled to learn that it means 25 years, with automatic 2/3 parole in many if not most cases, meaning 15 years. With double time for jail time awaiting trial, even less. Maybe a large number of Canadians DO know! It doesn't matter. Nobody has ever asked them what they think. No one in the judicial system has ever cared! It's a safe bet that if Canadians were happy about concurrent sentences and all that goes with them they would have been polled long ago and the results trumpeted to the skies! We can argue about the right or the wrong of concurrent sentences but one thing seems certain - it would be very difficult to defend as a populist, democratic choice. The people have been TOLD what they will get, not given what they wanted. Perhaps Harper will indeed change things to more properly reflect the wishes and values of the mainstream voter. I don't know. I just know I won't hold my breath. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Moonlight Graham Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Good riddance to disgusting people. I'm glad this sends a strong message that Canada doesn't put up with this crap. Bravo to the judge. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
cybercoma Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 They would be appalled to learn that it means 25 years, with automatic 2/3 parole in many if not most cases, meaning 15 years. With double time for jail time awaiting trial, even less.You ought to put up numbers about how many first-degree murderers are granted parole after 2/3 of their sentence if you're going to use this as a criticism of our justice system in relation to this case. Quote
eyeball Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Yep, and then we get some who are really concerned that our 'justice' system will seek vengence. Ironically enough honour killings are like acts of vengeance too. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
jacee Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) That's just the law hiding behind a definition. It's likely that a majority of Canadians believe that Life means Life. They would be appalled to learn that it means 25 years, with automatic 2/3 parole in many if not most cases, meaning 15 years. With double time for jail time awaiting trial, even less. Maybe a large number of Canadians DO know! It doesn't matter. Nobody has ever asked them what they think. No one in the judicial system has ever cared! It's a safe bet that if Canadians were happy about concurrent sentences and all that goes with them they would have been polled long ago and the results trumpeted to the skies! We can argue about the right or the wrong of concurrent sentences but one thing seems certain - it would be very difficult to defend as a populist, democratic choice. The people have been TOLD what they will get, not given what they wanted. Perhaps Harper will indeed change things to more properly reflect the wishes and values of the mainstream voter. I don't know. I just know I won't hold my breath. Their sentences are "life, with no chance of parole for 25 years".Emphasis on "chance" ... Parole boards put a lot of emphasis on remorse, which none of them has shown. In the case of father Shafia, I doubt he's capable of remorse. Edited January 30, 2012 by jacee Quote
sharkman Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Im calling on Harper to pass legislation making it possible to give consecutive sentences. Harper, do you hear sharkman? Quote
Guest American Woman Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Im calling on Harper to pass legislation making it possible to give consecutive sentences. Harper, do you hear sharkman? Russell Williams is serving two consecutive life sentences. Quote
Guest Peeves Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Russell Williams is serving two consecutive life sentences. I expect that in the not too distant future some 'kid' will murder a extremist parent and turn the tables. This cultural murder thing is beyond civilized behavior. I would also expect there may be some frontier justice handed out in prison for these child killers. Quote
capricorn Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Russell Williams is serving two consecutive life sentences. Wrong, AW. He is serving all sentences concurrently. Williams received two 25-year life sentences for the first degree murders of Jessica Lloyd, 27, and Marie-France Comeau, 38.He was also sentenced to one year each for his 82 break and enter charges, and 10 years for each of his four sexual assault and forcible confinement charges. All sentences will be served concurrently, meaning Williams will serve a total of 25 years before he is eligible to apply for parole. http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/W5Archive/20101021/williams_sentence_101021/ Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Wild Bill Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 You ought to put up numbers about how many first-degree murderers are granted parole after 2/3 of their sentence if you're going to use this as a criticism of our justice system in relation to this case. CC, please! I'm not trying to be disrespectful but you didn't even know that consecutive sentences are virtually non-existent in Canada! I have been following this 2/3 policy for my entire adult life and I'm 59! So for you to demand numbers to me is like someone demanding I come up with numbers that the sun rises in the east! When it has done so for the entire history of the Earth it is simply self-evident! For that reason, I will not spend the time digging up numbers for you! If you choose not to believe my premise that's your right. I'm just too busy to chase down EVERYTHING! I have to set priorities. If you want to just believe that I'm full of it, go right ahead! I was married for over 25 years. I'm used to it! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Guest Manny Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 I was married for over 25 years. They don't even give out life sentences that long... Quote
sharkman Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Russell Williams is serving two consecutive life sentences. So there's probably room for consecutive sentencing already in Canada? I want it used much more often. Maybe Harper should make it mandatory in cases like this honor killing one. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 CC, please! I'm not trying to be disrespectful but you didn't even know that consecutive sentences are virtually non-existent in Canada! I have been following this 2/3 policy for my entire adult life and I'm 59! So for you to demand numbers to me is like someone demanding I come up with numbers that the sun rises in the east! When it has done so for the entire history of the Earth it is simply self-evident! For that reason, I will not spend the time digging up numbers for you! If you choose not to believe my premise that's your right. I'm just too busy to chase down EVERYTHING! I have to set priorities. If you want to just believe that I'm full of it, go right ahead! I was married for over 25 years. I'm used to it! Funny how defensive you get, when all I wanted was to see the numbers for myself. I believed you even, but after this post, I'm not so sure. Quote
Tilter Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Their demonstration of their commitment to their religion would not be complete without jail time. Well, they have 25 years to contemplate the wisdom of their choice and now they can console themselves with the thought that they protected the family honor. After all, isn't it honorable to be classed as a convicted murderer, to be in prison for killing your daughters and of course your wife--(not first wife but only wife because bigamy is not legal in Canada) and then cursing their names for being Canadian girls who want a life apart from the life that oppressed people suffer in some countries. Quote
g_bambino Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 ...Honor... The word is "honour", people! With a "u". Honour. Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. Quote
GostHacked Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 What is strange with this thread is that justice has been served, won't bring the girls back, but shows our justice system does indeed work, yet the quibble now is congruent or concurrent? The argument over how long they will actually serve is kind of a non issue at this point, unless Bonam is proved right and they get a parole chance in 5 or 10. Again, justice served! Quote
g_bambino Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 The argument over how long they will actually serve is kind of a non issue at this point, unless Bonam is proved right and they get a parole chance in 5 or 10. Do they not have the option of appeal? Quote
guyser Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Again, justice served! As it is in the overwhelming majority of cases in this country. Whingers aside. Quote
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