Palin says Obama friendly with terrorists

[jdobbin]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/081005/...us_usa_politics

Calif. (Reuters)- Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin accused Democratic candidate Barack Obama on Saturday of "palling around with terrorists," marking a shift to a nastier tone in the White House race.

The remark was dismissed by Obama as "gutter politics" but appeared to reflect an effort by Sen. John McCain's campaign to target Obama's judgment as the Illinois senator solidifies his national lead and gains an edge in vital battleground states a month before the November 4 election.

It came shortly after McCain's campaign called Obama a liar and just days after both candidates urged Congress to set aside partisan politics to pass a $700 billion financial rescue package in a bid to revive credit markets.

Most of the Sunday talk shows think that we are going to see some real attacks in the next week as McCain looks to tag Obama.

[sharkman]

The MSM is already censoring and shaping this news item, and I predict they will attempt to use it to manipulate voters instead of just reporting the story.

I saw the report of this story on one of the big 3 networks Saturday morning(can't remember which one), and instead of just reporting the facts and getting responses from Obama's camp on this, defended him themselves!

There is a real media effort going on behind the scenes with only Fox and AM radio talk shows on McCain's side with all of the other networks, plus European outlets such as the BBC in Obama's camp. Personally, I would prefer that the media stay out of the campaigning and just report the news.

If and when these real attacks come, how they will be censored and shaped will have more effect on the voter than anything else.

[Guest American Woman]

The MSM is already censoring and shaping this news item, and I predict they will attempt to use it to manipulate voters instead of just reporting the story.

I saw the report of this story on one of the big 3 networks Saturday morning(can't remember which one), and instead of just reporting the facts and getting responses from Obama's camp on this, defended him themselves!

There is a real media effort going on behind the scenes with only Fox and AM radio talk shows on McCain's side with all of the other networks, plus European outlets such as the BBC in Obama's camp. Personally, I would prefer that the media stay out of the campaigning and just report the news.

If and when these real attacks come, how they will be censored and shaped will have more effect on the voter than anything else.

If McCain/Palin are going to attack Obama, ie: tell lies, then the media owes it to the public to set the record straight. IN other words, reporting that McCain/Palin are telling lies is "reporting the news." That Fox and AM Radio talk shows would be on "McCain's side" as he does this, shows exactly what they are, and it's not "fair and balanced." When I read that the McCain camp was going to do this type of thing, it sickened me. It's about time we got some ethics back into our country and that includes our campaigns.

I would like to see the media have a bit more accountability to the public, and when lies are told, expose them.

[sharkman]

True enough, but who decides what is a lie? This story is quite true in that Ayers planted bombs in the US while involved with the Weather Underground, activities he was quoted as saying he had no regrets about.

The MSM has wholeheartedly ignored this story while breathlessly reporting as true the story about Palin's Down Syndrome baby being her daughters, which was untrue. Therefore you will not find Obama's association with Bill Ayers in the MSM, but you can read about it here.

[BubberMiley]

I don't know how well it will stick to try to tie Obama to a guy whose crimes happened when Obama was 8 years old, but why do you suppose the supposedly biased MSM isn't making more of the fact that Palin's husband was a member of the Alaska Independence Party, whose founder said:

"I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

As well as: "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

Palin addressed their 2000 convention, and even addressed their convention this year when she was sworn to uphold the constitution of the U.S. as governor.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmem...amas_patrio.php

[wolfd]

Make no mistake, Ayers is a real live criminal who tried to kill a lot of innocent people. He served jail time for it and was ultimately pardoned by Bill Clinton. Clinton made a lot of stupid pardons. For Obama to have ANYTHING to do with Ayers only demonstrates Obama's lack of judgment. A bit of background:

Much of what Ayers self-interestedly leaves out of his book is more personally embarrassing than illegal. Ayers takes care not to dwell on his own Establishment credentials. (His father was chairman of the energy company Commonwealth Edison, a fact Ayers conveys only by writing, "My dad worked for Edison.") Ayers omits any discussion of his famous 1970 statement, "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at." He also omits any discussion of his wife Bernardine Dohrn's famous reaction to the Manson killings, as conveyed by journalist Peter Collier: "Dig it. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they even shoved a fork into a victim's stomach! Wild!" (In a 1993 Chicago Magazine profile, Dohrn claimed, implausibly, that she'd been trying to convey that "Americans love to read about violence.")

link:

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/21/2001-...le-of-bill.html

Edited October 5, 2008 by wolfd

[BubberMiley]

You're trying to take 40-year-old quotes from the wife of some guy Obama has met while working in Chicago and attach them to Obama? Meanwhile, Palin this year addresses the convention of a party whose founding principle is disloyalty to the U.S., and you say he's the one with bad judgement? I question yours.

[betsy]

....and compound this with the mention of Rev Jeremiah Wright Jr.

[bush_cheney2004]

....and compound this with the mention of Rev Jeremiah Wright Jr.

Correct...this toxic mix will be served up again in spades, complete with some October surprises. That's how we roll....

[Guest American Woman]

QUOTE=(betsy:....and compound this with the mention of Rev Jeremiah Wright Jr.

Correct...this toxic mix will be served up again in spades, complete with some October surprises. That's how we roll....

:lol:

[sharkman]

Correct...this toxic mix will be served up again in spades, complete with some October surprises. That's how we roll....

And the MSM will be there at every turn to stifle and censor information that they would breathless declare has the ring of truth if it was McCain being exposed. I will watch with interest, it's better than any movie.

[jdobbin]

:lol:

I was laughing at that too. Looks like the surprise might come in Minnesota with the defeat of Coleman and Paulson.

And for all the dirty tricks that McCain plans, it likely won't make much a difference since Republicans are being tied to the economic woes.

Edited October 6, 2008 by jdobbin

[bush_cheney2004]

And the MSM will be there at every turn to stifle and censor information that they would breathless declare has the ring of truth if it was McCain being exposed. I will watch with interest, it's better than any movie.

Right...we all know what's coming, so the only mystery is how / when. The negative campaign elements are far better theatre, and tickets to the show are free.

[Shady]

Correct...this toxic mix will be served up again in spades, complete with some October surprises. That's how we roll....

Don't forget about Tony Rezko. Yes, Obama has vast friendships and connections with very questionable characters. Bill Ayers is the worst of the lot. The unrepentant domestic terrorist, who Barack Obama sought out for support when he first began his political career, and who also contributed financially to Obama's re-election run.

[BC_chick]

That's how we roll....

How would that be... grasping at straws?

[bush_cheney2004]

How would that be... grasping at straws?

Yes...it's better than being bored to death....like...umm...well....you know. That's why you watch our show.

[BC_chick]

Yes...it's better than being bored to death....like...umm...well....you know. That's why you watch our show.

Canada's having an election!?!?

Well knock me over with a feather, who knew!

[GostHacked]

Most of you have very short attention spans.

This crap about Obama associated with Ayers had ben brought up and debunk about 6 months ago. Try to keep up. And if that is how you roll, you roll with little substance or integrity.

I bet you McCain had and does presently deal with real shady characters as well.. Sarah Palin for example.

[Shady]

This crap about Obama associated with Ayers had ben brought up and debunk about 6 months ago.

"Debunked" how?

[GostHacked]

"Debunked" how?

Try to keep up. this happened more than 6 months ago. It was brought up by the Clinton camp, when she and Barak were duking it out for top spot. So since then it has been debunked and now picked up for the second time, but for the first time by the GOP attack machine. How else do things get debunked?? The truth was discovered. But the GOP seems desperate enough to bring this up again. Next we should revisit the whole Madrassa/muslim angle again.

But here we go. Let's start with this article that was posted in Feb of 2008... more than 6 months ago.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checke...connection.html

But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out, Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/901879,...sweet18.article Posted in April of this year.

The debate vaulted Ayers from being a side matter in the presidential campaign to center stage just before Tuesday's Pennsylvania primary. "The Clinton campaign has been agitating to try to get this in the bloodstream for some time," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said Thursday. But it was ABC News' George Stephanopoulos who pressed Obama in the debate to explain why his association with Ayers would not be an issue if he were the Democratic presidential nominee

LOLOLOL . Foxnews calls this NEW INFORMATION, which is over 6 months old. This is dated Aug26 2008

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/ne...hip-with-ayers/

The massive collection of newly released documents -- 140 boxes full of them -- includes agendas that clearly put Obama and Ayers in the same room for meetings of Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an educational initiative that Ayers was instrumental in starting and that Obama chaired in the 1990s.

They worked on things together, they wanted better education for children in Chicago. So chances are they would have been in the same room,... how shocking!!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8100402126.html

"There's been a lot of interest in what I read lately," Palin noted in Colorado. "Well, I was reading my copy of today's New York Times, and I was really interested to read about Barack's friends from Chicago. Turns out, one of his earliest supporters is a man who, according to the New York Times, was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol.' These are the same guys who think patriotism is paying higher taxes."

OH, here she names a paper she reads!!

I found out about Bill Ayers last year when I caught a documentary on The Weather Underground. Really interesting stuff. But now that I say interesting, I can see people like Shady misinterpreting it and twisting the words to be used against me.

[WIP]

Sarah Palin probably doesn't even know who Bill Ayers is, and why his name was brought up, along with Tony Rezko, by the Clinton Campaign when they tried to smear Barack Obama's reputation during the Democratic Primaries -- so I don't see how retreading a Clinton tactic will work now if it didn't work before!

But, I'm glad Obama has learned from John Kerry's inability to fight fire with fire, and pulled out an ace card of their own -- McCain's connection with felons like Charles Keating, and why his interference while serving on the Senate Ethics Committee on behalf of his patron, made it possible for Keating to defraud investors of more than 3.4 billion dollars. Now that history is repeating itself on an even larger scale, a dimwit Republican who wants to deregulate the markets should not be considered for the office of President!

They could also highlight McCain's palling around with crackpot ex-cons like G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North! People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!

[Topaz]

I think all someone had to say to Palin was , well you know GW, the Republican president, your leader the one whose family is very good friends of the BinLaden family, with the Saudis Royal Family, need I go on?????

[JerrySeinfeld]

The MSM is already censoring and shaping this news item, and I predict they will attempt to use it to manipulate voters instead of just reporting the story.

I saw the report of this story on one of the big 3 networks Saturday morning(can't remember which one), and instead of just reporting the facts and getting responses from Obama's camp on this, defended him themselves!

There is a real media effort going on behind the scenes with only Fox and AM radio talk shows on McCain's side with all of the other networks, plus European outlets such as the BBC in Obama's camp. Personally, I would prefer that the media stay out of the campaigning and just report the news.

If and when these real attacks come, how they will be censored and shaped will have more effect on the voter than anything else.

Totally agree. I have been watching MSmedia coverage - all 3 networks plus CNN - of this election as it has [progressed through the summer and into the fall.

They were actually doing their best to appear "neutral" for most of the summe r- when it appeared Obama was cruising to victory (but even THEN, the bias was obvious to any critical observer). It was around the time Palin arrived on the scene and McCain took a lead in some polls that the gloves came off and they seemed to drop any pretense of objectivity.

It was so obvious is was as if they all realized together "holy shit - we CAN'T let the GOP win AGAIN, to hell with appearances, let's beat the shit out of this McCainc ticket everyday, starting now."

[BubberMiley]

Or, more accurately, as soon as McCain started to slip in the polls, the right wingers immediately started whining about bias in the MSM.

[Shady]

It was around the time Palin arrived on the scene and McCain took a lead in some polls that the gloves came off and they seemed to drop any pretense of objectivity.

You're absolutely right. I've never seen the entire media/entertainment consortium unite to take down a political candidate, the way they've collaborated to take down John McCain. I mean, it's ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, along with most print journalism, such as The Washington Post, The New York Times, The LA Times, even magazines like Rollingstone. As well as television entertainment, such as David Letterman, Oprah, The View, and even the Simpson's recently released a clip of Homer voting for Barack Obama. You couple that, with the economic challenges, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I wonder how McCain remains with in 20 of Obama, let alone keeping most polls within the margin of error.

This election officially ends any concept of objectivity of the mainstream media. Unfortunately, it may have died along with Tim Russert earlier in the year. However, at least Tim Russert actually existed, where as mainstream media objectivity was more of a myth than reality.