moderateamericain Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 Im pro legalizing Pot. But not prostitution Quote
Drea Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 Im pro legalizing Pot. But not prostitution Glad to see another person on the side of legalizing marijuana. But why not prostitution? IMO it would make it alot safer for all involved -- hookers and johns. There is absolutely no way to stop people from selling themselves nor is there any way to stop people from buying their services. Might as well make it as safe as possible for all parties. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
DrGreenthumb Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 Glad to see another person on the side of legalizing marijuana. But why not prostitution? IMO it would make it alot safer for all involved -- hookers and johns. There is absolutely no way to stop people from selling themselves nor is there any way to stop people from buying their services. Might as well make it as safe as possible for all parties. Besides the obvious fact that it is perfectly legal for a woman to go home with whatever guy buys her the most drinks at the bar, buys her the nicest flowers and chocolate etc. ALL sex can be thought of as prostitution to some extent. The only difference is that the "prostitute" gets paid in cash, instead of in drinks, romance, love, etc. I can sell my body to whomever I want as a labourer etc, what really is the difference? If I provide my body and use it to shingle your house for example that is perfectly fine, so the law against prostitution is really just someone forcing their morals on others. Also its perfectly legal to have sex with someone for money, as long as you film it and call it a porno movie. Why is it legal to get paid for sex on camera but not off camera? Quote
moderateamericain Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 Glad to see another person on the side of legalizing marijuana. But why not prostitution? IMO it would make it alot safer for all involved -- hookers and johns. There is absolutely no way to stop people from selling themselves nor is there any way to stop people from buying their services. Might as well make it as safe as possible for all parties. For the same reason I think kiddy porn should stay illegal. Quote
DrGreenthumb Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 For the same reason I think kiddy porn should stay illegal. I think everybody is in agreement that kiddie porn should be illegal. I think that any crime that victimizes anyone of ANY age should remain illegal. People that would harm a child are a huge threat to the community and should be kept away from society. Long prison sentence, electronically monitered forever. I have always been in favour of stronger punishment for acts of violence. Adults exchanging sex or drugs for money ,where all parties are of legal age and are voluntarily entering into the agreement, is neither violent nor victimizing, so they should not be criminal. A child is not condsidered old enough to enter into any contract legally till they are 18. Nobody over the age of eighteen should be legally allowed to have any kind of sexual relationship with anybody under 18. The adult should be required by law to "know better" than to exploit a minor who is not old enough to "consent" to anything legally. I would be open to a 1 year age difference exemption so as not to crimnalize young couples who were sexually active together when they were both still minors. I would also take this one step further and apply the same principles to drugs in a legal regulated market. Anyone who is an adult that supplies drugs to a minor should be penalized. The penalty should reflect the severety of the offence. So if a 25 year old guy gets your 17 year old daughter drunk, and exploits her state of drunkeness to get her to "agree" to have sex with him, he should face 2 addidtional charges of having sex with a minor and supplying a minor with drugs. Quote
eyeball Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 This is all fine and dandy Doc but since pot is a gateway to kiddie porn...(sarcasm alert) maybe we should just prohibit kids. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
BC_chick Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 For the same reason I think kiddy porn should stay illegal. I think you're confusing prostitution with sex-slavery. In the latter, there is an unconsenting victim who is being abused... kind of like kiddie porn. Prostitution between two consenting adults is victimless and nobody's business but the people involved. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Oleg Bach Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 Lets keep our sex and dope in the closet where it belongs. There is no good point in encourageing what can become destructive behavour all in the name of freedom and choice...look where choice has gotten us. A flood of immigrants bound and determined to inflict the grandest usery on the nation because we had the choice of aborting sorely needed citizens..we are not very smart when it comes to survival. If you want to pop a recreational pill - or if the wife is non responsive - or if you are so bored with life you have to smoke pot to make it interesting - don't legitimize the behavour by making it legal - don't set a bad example for the children...hide your vices - if you must have them. By doing so you lessen the chance of our young parroting bad behaviour. Quote
eyeball Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 Lets keep our sex and dope in the closet where it belongs. I'd rather hide the moral judgements adults make about about the personal choices other adults make in a closet. That said there is nothing that will raise a kids interest level faster than trying to hide something from them. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
moderateamericain Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 I think you're confusing prostitution with sex-slavery. In the latter, there is an unconsenting victim who is being abused... kind of like kiddie porn. Prostitution between two consenting adults is victimless and nobody's business but the people involved. Thats why there is such a huge sex slave, I mean prostitution market in other countries huh? Legalizing it here would only drive up demand. Quote
eyeball Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 Thats why there is such a huge sex slave, I mean prostitution market in other countries huh? Legalizing it here would only drive up demand. So what? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 4, 2008 Author Report Posted October 4, 2008 Thats why there is such a huge sex slave, I mean prostitution market in other countries huh? Legalizing it here would only drive up demand. I believe legalizing prostitution will drive down sex crimes and legalizing "safe" recreational drugs will drive down the use of "unsafe" illegal narcotics. Quote You are what you do.
ReeferMadness Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 I own 2 rifles for hunting and a 9mm that is in a safe spot in my home to defend my family if someone ever got in while we are home. And I am thankful it is there...... I am a level headed family/businessman ...... The two statements are contradictions. If you were truly level-headed, you would know that statistically, people are much more likely to be injured or killed by guns already in the homes than by strangers breaking in. Keeping guns in your house against the possibility of a stranger breaking in makes about as much as sense as packing a portable lightning rod. In general, I find that people who want to have guns to defend themselves are paranoid individuals with a strong anarchist streak. Many are impervious to facts or reality. Not sure whether that applies to you or not but that's the company they keep. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
GostHacked Posted October 5, 2008 Report Posted October 5, 2008 I like your thought direction... honestly........ You can't restrict something just because it can lead to something else. Birth leads to death. Kind of kills your banning guns thread now does it. Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 6, 2008 Author Report Posted October 6, 2008 (edited) Kind of kills your banning guns thread now does it. Owning a gun does not "lead" to something else. It is a materialized expression of a will to KILL. Edited October 6, 2008 by PoliticalCitizen Quote You are what you do.
moderateamericain Posted October 6, 2008 Report Posted October 6, 2008 Owning a gun does not "lead" to something else. It is a materialized expression of a will to KILL. God damn right it is. And don't ever think that as an American I will give up my rights freely. Your going to have to take it by force. Quote
Army Guy Posted October 6, 2008 Report Posted October 6, 2008 There are many drugs available on the streets today that have been deemed illigal. And lots of excuses to have the legalized, but really what benifit would Canada and her people get if they where legalized. Some say less people charged and deemed criminals, less population in our jails, current laws are ineffective, prohibition has never been the answer, the only one currently profitting from such laws is the underworld, and criminals, these laws are someone else's moral values and what right does government have to issue values and morals.... But what we have so far is opinions, no hard facts that say our current laws are not detering drug use or prostitution, no hard facts that legalizing it will be a more effective way of controling it, and do we think for one moment it will be any safer with the government controling it... How much are we going to spend enforcing all these new rules and laws to control these type of activites under government control...shit we spent a billion plus dollars just to get an ineffective gun control reg off the ground under government control, will it stop grow ops, people trying to make a buck, by offering a cheaper solution, will it stop or effect any other illigal activities ... So will it make our nation any better, any safer, and i mean enough so that all this effort will be worth the return...nobody has convinced me of that yet.... other than the fact i will be able to buy a pack of government regulated joints with some gross picture on the cover, and order a hooker over the phone to deliver them... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
GostHacked Posted October 6, 2008 Report Posted October 6, 2008 Owning a gun does not "lead" to something else. It is a materialized expression of a will to KILL. You said You can't restrict something just because it can lead to something else. Birth leads to death. So, you are right in owning a gun does not lead to someone to kill. They have that in them before the gun was in the equation. So in order to kill, the gun is the material expression of a will to kill?? So you must have the gun in order to kill?? No gun, no will?? You don't want to restrict things, but in your gun thread, you sure as day want to restrict things. Hypocritical. Quote
eyeball Posted October 6, 2008 Report Posted October 6, 2008 (edited) There are many drugs available on the streets today that have been deemed illigal. And lots of excuses to have the legalized, but really what benifit would Canada and her people get if they where legalized. For me, I'd say the main benefit would be laws that deal with substance use on the basis of a consistent guiding principle. a. Altering your mind recreationally is a crime. b. Altering your mind recreationally is not a crime. The government needs to pick one or the other premise and craft its legislation and strategy from there. Some people are quick to point out that the costs of drug use to society would skyrocket if drugs were legalized and that prohibition is in fact a very good deterant. If this is the case then it stands to reason the social costs of alcohol use could also be greatly reduced if we reinstate its prohibition. The same results could also be expected if we prohibit tobacco and even guns and gambling. People who drink, smoke shoot bullets or craps will of course point to the futility of prohibition in the 20's & 30's. My only response is, perhaps the state just gave up to easily back then. The state also didn't have anywhere near the technology needed to control the behaviour of its citizens that's available today. The first thing we need is some very clearly worded legislation that criminalizes an individuals attempt to alter their minds as a form of recreation. Call it the...Clean and Sober Society Act. This may be easier to sell to the public than people think, we already refer to drinking and smoking (and gambling) as being vices and refer to the taxes collected by government on these behaviours as sin taxes. Society probably only needs to be pushed just a little bit harder to accept the will of the state. Why worry about drugs that are already illegal Army Guy? With only two more to add to the list your substance free Utopia could be just around the corner. Don't you think the government would have a lot easier time trying to engineer a clean, sober and moral population if its message was crystal clear, consistent and completely unambiguous? To this day I still recall my Dad lecturing me about the evils of drug use with a cigarette in one hand and a double in the other. He died from emphysema this summer. I suspect now you'll present lots of excuses why alcohol and tobacco should remain legal. Edited October 6, 2008 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted October 6, 2008 Report Posted October 6, 2008 For me, I'd say the main benefit would be laws that deal with substance use on the basis of a consistent guiding principle.a. Altering your mind recreationally is a crime. b. Altering your mind recreationally is not a crime. The government needs to pick one or the other premise and craft its legislation and strategy from there. For the most part i think our current laws reflects just that, most recreational drugs are illigal. Some people are quick to point out that the costs of drug use to society would skyrocket if drugs were legalized and that prohibition is in fact a very good deterant. If this is the case then it stands to reason the social costs of alcohol use could also be greatly reduced if we reinstate its prohibition. The same results could also be expected if we prohibit tobacco and even guns and gambling. People who drink, smoke shoot bullets or craps will of course point to the futility of prohibition in the 20's & 30's. My only response is, perhaps the state just gave up to easily back then. The state also didn't have anywhere near the technology needed to control the behaviour of its citizens that's available today. I think the price is set on supply and demand, and what the consumer is willing to pay...Prohibition works for those that are willing to obey the law. Once the government gets into anything be it booze, cigs or drugs , it will come at a price and it will be heavily taxed....but does not cover all the other programs that are tied to this law...for instance cigs government ads claim that smoking claims the lives of up to 45 K Canadians a year, that fact alone should cause some concern, but what about the demands it places on our health systems, plus every thing else such as policing looking smugglers, and other illigal tobaco operations. The list goes on.... Hence my question what will legalizing these drugs do for the Average Canadian.... will it be benifical for the majority.... Why worry about drugs that are already illegal Army Guy? With only two more to add to the list your substance free Utopia could be just around the corner. Don't you think the government would have a lot easier time trying to engineer a clean, sober and moral population if its message was crystal clear, consistent and completely unambiguous? To this day I still recall my Dad lecturing me about the evils of drug use with a cigarette in one hand and a double in the other. He died from emphysema this summer. The movement to legalize some drugs is growing larger, and i'm concerned on how will it effect all of us, and yes when it comes down to it i want to know what will it cost me, as a tax payer in the long run. I suspect now you'll present lots of excuses why alcohol and tobacco should remain legal. You sitting down for this I actually agree with most of what you said, yes i'm a smoker, and i do drink....And i do think that cigs above joints anyway should be illigal, tobaco kills more people in Canada than anything else....make it illigal and most will quit, sure your going to have your die hards ....as for booze, i think that would be a tough sell.... I'm not looking for the utopian world, just one with laws and guide lines written by people using common sense, break those laws and guide lines and you pay really it's pretty simple....but nobody has backed up any opinions to legalize anything with facts to convince me other wise... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
AngusThermopyle Posted October 6, 2008 Report Posted October 6, 2008 i will be able to buy a pack of government regulated joints with some gross picture on the cover, and order a hooker over the phone to deliver them... Now thats what I call a Utopian vision. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 7, 2008 Author Report Posted October 7, 2008 You saidSo, you are right in owning a gun does not lead to someone to kill. They have that in them before the gun was in the equation. So in order to kill, the gun is the material expression of a will to kill?? So you must have the gun in order to kill?? No gun, no will?? You don't want to restrict things, but in your gun thread, you sure as day want to restrict things. Hypocritical. You're overthinking and misinterpreting a simple fact: guns are made to kill. Why would anyone who doesn't want to kill have a gun? Doesn't get any simpler than that. If you want to shoot but not kill buy a paintball gun. Or a rubber dart gun. Or a slingshot. Quote You are what you do.
Army Guy Posted October 7, 2008 Report Posted October 7, 2008 Yes Guns are made to kill, but guns are a tool, Tools don't kill , people that use them do.... Why would anyone who doesn't want to kill have a gun? Nobody is forcing you to own a gun, why would anyone who does'nt want to farm own a farm tractor ?...But for those that do why should we restrict them...Like i said before a gun is a tool and when used within the law can provide food for you family, be used for recreational shooting or protection for your family. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted October 7, 2008 Report Posted October 7, 2008 For the most part i think our current laws reflects just that, most recreational drugs are illigal. So they're illegal because altering your mind is a crime, precisely what principle is it that's being violated? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted October 7, 2008 Report Posted October 7, 2008 So they're illegal because altering your mind is a crime, precisely what principle is it that's being violated? I would say that is part of it, but for most of these drugs out there is other concerns as well, addiction and all of its destructive problems, health concerns, all of these have costs, with many coming out of our pockets... Personally i don't give a shit if you want to get high, fill your boots....but when tax dollars are being spent because of your choices then i think we "the others" also have a choice...hence our existing laws... If this is all about making choices, then hey giver make everything legal....but like all choices come consquences, and one should not expect the rest of us to commit tax payers dollars for your poor choices.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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