Legalize Marijuana and Prostitution

TCCK · September 27, 2008

First of all - stop shouting or you'll be considered a troll.
Secondly - bold fonts and multiple exclamation marks are not going to compensate for your inablitiy to substatiate your argument.

Thirdly - your words show hatred, despise and disrespect towards recreational drug users and sex services workers.

If you are so worried with upholding moral values and think so little of the "sinners", how come you haven't emmigrated to an Islamic country? They're very good with morals, especially Taliban was...

Canada has legalized same-sex marriages and Toronto Pride festival is one of the biggest in North America. How can you live with that?

A troll, hmm, NO, just someone who has a very strong clear point of view about the crap the Liberals are trying to throw at us.

Hatred, despise and disrespect towards recreational drug users.........well you got that right, trust, respect are earned and if you are a recreational drug user, you get none of that from me. I see all those users as lowly educated trailer trash type (even if they have a doctorate and live in a $4 million house.) You know the saying: looks like crap, smells like crap, MUST BE CRAP.

Next an Islamic country, oh yes that would be so good living in a country of people that preach peace and then they back stab, murder and lie that they ever have done it or even that thier leaders call for it. NO, I will not move out of MY CANADA where I was born and raised, and I do not want more Islamic people moving here trying to change MY CANADA from within to make it more like their sewer hole they moved from.

Did I say anything about "sinners", was I waving a bible at you? Did I mention any gods/higher powers name? NO! I am talking about common accepoted moral values that have been in existance for thousands of years. We all know in the core of our heart and mind it is wrong to lie, steal, murder, cheat on your spouse, do drugs, but some choose to ignore that part of the instinctive knowledge that we are all born with for so long that they now no longer have those core beliefs. They rationalize cheating on their spouse as "She has gotten fat so I can go bang the little hottie at work because my wife is now 10Lbs heavier than when we got married." or " Pot makes me mellow and does not cause me to do anything bad to anyone else so it must be okay to do." or " I can lie about my income, or just work under the table jobs because I am illegally in this country but I have to feed my family so that is okay then because my family needs food."

We are lying to ourselves and numbing our instictive knowledge to the point where we are in a moral downward spiralling whirlpool that will slowly consume a good country until it is another craphole like India, Afganistan, Iraq, (name any one of numerous African coountries) and so on and so on.

You all think I am some holier than thou religious nut bible waver but you have no idea who I am? Religion sickens me. I am about relationship with my family, friends, employees, clients, partner companies and I want the QUALITY of all those peoples lives along with mine to improve and change. Legalizing drugs and prostitution will not do that. The crime rate and violence in any country that has done this proves this.

And lastly the "Gay Pride festival" whatever, throw an orange into an apple crate to get a reaction. Sure I do not agree with GAY PRIDE, do you see me and the majority of the country having HETROSEXUAL PRIDE PARADE/ FESTIVALS. Wearing nice clothes and flaunting our STRAIGHTNESS in your face. Groping each other on the streets to prove we can have fun and love our partners??????

NO, we keep our sexual relationships to ourselves as couples. If the gay community wants respect let them just be normal like the hetrosexuals and not throw the PRIDE Festivals and keep the relationships between the 2 in the couple and then they might be more widely accepted as legit. But all this public crap is just an minority flaunting it in the rest of the publics faces to say "see we are here, you can't stop us, we are just as good as you are, and look we can have love too."

I don't have to flaunt the love for my wife, I tell her regularly, I weekly buy her some sort of present, we go on dates (yes we even have kissed in public, oh no, we are show flaunting our hetrosexualism!!), I talk about my love for her with my friends. Now that is an acceptable display of a couple's love. That is love, not this display of beastly lust showing no self respect or restraint.

Okay you have tons of ammo against me. I am a CONSERVATIVE. (remember what the word means!!! not a LIBERAL, that word is very clearly defined for its party followers too.)

PoliticalCitizen · September 27, 2008

A troll, hmm, NO, just someone who has a very strong clear point of view about the crap the Liberals are trying to throw at us.

Well thank you for not shouting and using bold fonts in this post.

Hatred, despise and disrespect towards recreational drug users.........well you got that right, trust, respect are earned and if you are a recreational drug user, you get none of that from me. I see all those users as lowly educated trailer trash type (even if they have a doctorate and live in a $4 million house.) You know the saying: looks like crap, smells like crap, MUST BE CRAP.

That only speaks about how limited your tolerance is. 500 years ago that could have won you some points. Not today.

Next an Islamic country, oh yes that would be so good living in a country of people that preach peace and then they back stab, murder and lie that they ever have done it or even that thier leaders call for it. NO, I will not move out of MY CANADA where I was born and raised, and I do not want more Islamic people moving here trying to change MY CANADA from within to make it more like their sewer hole they moved from.

Oh, so you hate Muslims too? What a surprise...

Did I say anything about "sinners", was I waving a bible at you? Did I mention any gods/higher powers name? NO! I am talking about common accepoted moral values that have been in existance for thousands of years. We all know in the core of our heart and mind it is wrong to lie, steal, murder, cheat on your spouse, do drugs, but some choose to ignore that part of the instinctive knowledge that we are all born with for so long that they now no longer have those core beliefs. They rationalize cheating on their spouse as "She has gotten fat so I can go bang the little hottie at work because my wife is now 10Lbs heavier than when we got married." or " Pot makes me mellow and does not cause me to do anything bad to anyone else so it must be okay to do." or " I can lie about my income, or just work under the table jobs because I am illegally in this country but I have to feed my family so that is okay then because my family needs food."

No, you didn't wave the bible (at least I didn't see you doing that), but all these MORALS you mention stem directly from that 2,000 year old book. In these 2,000 years it has done wonders to our civilization by educating it not to kill, steal and fornicate (not withouth the help of the Holy Inquisition); but it has also taught not to THINK but believe blindly. These times are gone. If you prefer to cling to the crubmling values (which were always for the show, as the worst sins were commited by the preachers) - that's up to you. But trying to get support will be tough... unless you convert to Islam - they're so good in turning the wheels of time back...

We are lying to ourselves and numbing our instictive knowledge to the point where we are in a moral downward spiralling whirlpool that will slowly consume a good country until it is another craphole like India, Afganistan, Iraq, (name any one of numerous African coountries) and so on and so on.

Decaying morals plagued all empires on the brink of collapse...

You all think I am some holier than thou religious nut bible waver but you have no idea who I am? Religion sickens me. I am about relationship with my family, friends, employees, clients, partner companies and I want the QUALITY of all those peoples lives along with mine to improve and change. Legalizing drugs and prostitution will not do that. The crime rate and violence in any country that has done this proves this.

For a family guy you're quite hateful... How will legalizing prostitution harm you? Are you afraid they will rape you? Or just unsure of yourself?

Crime rate and violence - that's exactly what we would undermine by legalizing habitual things instead of criminalizing them.

And lastly the "Gay Pride festival" whatever, throw an orange into an apple crate to get a reaction.

Guilty as charged

TCCK · September 27, 2008

For a family guy you're quite hateful... How will legalizing prostitution harm you? Are you afraid they will rape you? Or just unsure of yourself?
Crime rate and violence - that's exactly what we would undermine by legalizing habitual things instead of criminalizing them.

No, no hate continues to burn and eat you up from the inside. I am a driven father, husband and business owner that desires to see a better Canada, prosperous, safe, a place where my daughter can safely walk outside at 9Pm at night, a place where my boys will not have fellow students trying to sell them pot or cocaine in their schools, a place where a husband holds dear his bride and divorce is minimized so the family stays healthy and whole.

This is my dream for Canada! I do not see a perfect party to bring this about but I will be satisfied with baby steps for now and as the tide changes the steps will grow and the changes will become more everytime. Is Stephen Harper the best choice, NO but I firmly believe he is the best choice we have before us. Dion, Layton, and the rest are not even in the picture for the changes to happen.

Dion would bankrupt the country causing more finacial and then marital stress on the himes which causes an unstable home where delinquent children will rise from.

Layton and the Green party would spend tons too and slow the technilogical changes in the country and maybe even outlaw anything that is not green (computers, cell phones, etc.) then they would all fire up a big fatty and sit around THEIR utopia and get stoned while the country falls apart. Rebillion in the youth would grow, homes would be seperating at a faster rate than if the Liberals were in power. Joblessness would be at an alltime high. But hey they would all be high so NO PROBLEM!

These are my opinions and yes I exagerated tons to get my picture across.

You may call me old fashioned but my 3 kids are respected by adults, they get good grades in school, they are respected by thier peers (you can be a good kid, not a nerd and all the kids in school respect you. My daughter has won The Most Liked for the past 3 years running in her High School and she is loved by all the teachers and our friends that are our age and she is not rebellious. The boys have a hard act to follow but they are making a good run at it.)

I love my wife, she loves me, 20 years is a few months away.

I own a national business and I am liked and respected by ALL my employees. They do not want a union in to ruin what they have. They love that I respect their family life and promote it as a corporate value. I pay out of MY pocket for counselling for couples that are having troubles because a happy home promotes a good employee. Happy homes raise smart, well adjusted kids that turn out to be awesome people that want to work where their parent(s) did because they heard such great things about the company while they grew up.

Call me old fashioned but IT WORKS!! Currently Stephen Harper works for me in how I want Canada to change and rebuild.

independent · September 27, 2008

No, no hate continues to burn and eat you up from the inside. I am a driven father, husband and business owner that desires to see a better Canada, prosperous, safe, a place where my daughter can safely walk outside at 9Pm at night, a place where my boys will not have fellow students trying to sell them pot or cocaine in their schools, a place where a husband holds dear his bride and divorce is minimized so the family stays healthy and whole.
This is my dream for Canada! I do not see a perfect party to bring this about but I will be satisfied with baby steps for now and as the tide changes the steps will grow and the changes will become more everytime. Is Stephen Harper the best choice, NO but I firmly believe he is the best choice we have before us. Dion, Layton, and the rest are not even in the picture for the changes to happen.

Dion would bankrupt the country causing more finacial and then marital stress on the himes which causes an unstable home where delinquent children will rise from.

Layton and the Green party would spend tons too and slow the technilogical changes in the country and maybe even outlaw anything that is not green (computers, cell phones, etc.) then they would all fire up a big fatty and sit around THEIR utopia and get stoned while the country falls apart. Rebillion in the youth would grow, homes would be seperating at a faster rate than if the Liberals were in power. Joblessness would be at an alltime high. But hey they would all be high so NO PROBLEM!

These are my opinions and yes I exagerated tons to get my picture across.

You may call me old fashioned but my 3 kids are respected by adults, they get good grades in school, they are respected by thier peers (you can be a good kid, not a nerd and all the kids in school respect you. My daughter has won The Most Liked for the past 3 years running in her High School and she is loved by all the teachers and our friends that are our age and she is not rebellious. The boys have a hard act to follow but they are making a good run at it.)

I love my wife, she loves me, 20 years is a few months away.

I own a national business and I am liked and respected by ALL my employees. They do not want a union in to ruin what they have. They love that I respect their family life and promote it as a corporate value. I pay out of MY pocket for counselling for couples that are having troubles because a happy home promotes a good employee. Happy homes raise smart, well adjusted kids that turn out to be awesome people that want to work where their parent(s) did because they heard such great things about the company while they grew up.

Call me old fashioned but IT WORKS!! Currently Stephen Harper works for me in how I want Canada to change and rebuild.

Unfortunately not everybody is like you claim to be. There are some good companies out there where unions are not needed because the workers are treated fairly. Unfortunately we are not in a utopia and most employers are not like that.

I am having a little problem with your credibility though. The Liberals when Paul Martins was the Finance minister did a good job balacing the budget. Far better that the conservatives. Dion says that he would continue with sound financial policies. You are going to say he cannot be trusted but you have no bases for that. If you were a business person you would not be cutting the Liberals on how they run a budget. You could talk about how some money was wasted but that is going to happen with government as long as they so stay so secretive.

I am glad you are so blessed but what about the millions of people that are not. What about the people that through no fault of their own did not get the skills companies want. There is something wrong when so many people are out of work and companies are complaining there is not enough skilled workers. The big companies seem too think the government has to do everything for them.

Instead of buying meals for elected representatives why not go to poorest areas of the cities and talk to them about the real problems in this country. They would probably invite you in and feed you. There are a lot of nice people trying to do there best to raise there kids but the money and the support is not there.

Bryan · September 27, 2008

The Liberals when Paul Martins was the Finance minister did a good job balacing the budget. Far better that the conservatives.

This is a common misconception. Sure, the Liberals ran a large surplus, they'll proudly proclaim that. What they won't mention is they did that by cutting tens of billions in funding to healthcare, provincial transfer payments, military, border security, etc. I could claim to have great sums of money in the bank too if I just stopped paying my bills. The "big spending" the Liberals keep claiming the Conservatives did was primarily due to being left holding the bag for things the Liberals left unpaid.

What Flaherty was able to do was restore funding to these programs, cut taxes, pay down the debt, and still run a nearly $3 billion surplus.

Drea · September 27, 2008

No, no hate continues to burn and eat you up from the inside. I am a driven father, husband and business owner that desires to see a better Canada, prosperous, safe, a place where my daughter can safely walk outside at 9Pm at night, a place where my boys will not have fellow students trying to sell them pot or cocaine in their schools, a place where a husband holds dear his bride and divorce is minimized so the family stays healthy and whole.

Your daughter will be safe when we start teaching our children that girls are not commodities to be used. The media teaches girls they must be sexy (starting before puberty -- ala Bratz La Senza Girl etc). IMO we have gone backwards from the 70's. Now girls are encouraged (by the media) to be nothing but bodies to be desired -- they are told that their only value is how well they can attract a male. Sad.

Your boys will be safe from cocaine and pot dealers if we legalize it and educate them. How come you are not worried about your boys purchasing alcohol?

This is my dream for Canada! I do not see a perfect party to bring this about but I will be satisfied with baby steps for now and as the tide changes the steps will grow and the changes will become more everytime. Is Stephen Harper the best choice, NO but I firmly believe he is the best choice we have before us. Dion, Layton, and the rest are not even in the picture for the changes to happen.
Dion would bankrupt the country causing more finacial and then marital stress on the himes which causes an unstable home where delinquent children will rise from.

I expect another minority. Harper called the election too soon (fixed election dates anyone? LOL)

$100 per month daycare is not enough for the low income family to have one spouse stay home. It was stupid and did nothing for families that need two working parents to get by. Nor does it help the single parent. It was utterly useless.

Layton and the Green party would spend tons too and slow the technilogical changes in the country and maybe even outlaw anything that is not green (computers, cell phones, etc.) then they would all fire up a big fatty and sit around THEIR utopia and get stoned while the country falls apart. Rebillion in the youth would grow, homes would be seperating at a faster rate than if the Liberals were in power. Joblessness would be at an alltime high. But hey they would all be high so NO PROBLEM!
These are my opinions and yes I exagerated tons to get my picture across.

Glad you admit that you are stretching it. And chicken little.... the sky is falling -- in one of the most conservative countries in the world they are tanking economically. One cannot blame liberals (or the left) for the mess the US is in. The blame lies soley at the feet of the right wing.

You may call me old fashioned but my 3 kids are respected by adults, they get good grades in school, they are respected by thier peers (you can be a good kid, not a nerd and all the kids in school respect you. My daughter has won The Most Liked for the past 3 years running in her High School and she is loved by all the teachers and our friends that are our age and she is not rebellious. The boys have a hard act to follow but they are making a good run at it.)
I love my wife, she loves me, 20 years is a few months away.

Yes you are special :rolleyes:

I was a single mom and my kid has always been on the honour roll. Still is. He isn't rebellious. He mows the lawn without being asked! Today he and his buds are going "go-carting" -- celebrating his 15th birthday. He is 15 and has never tried drugs. Am I special too? :lol:

I own a national business and I am liked and respected by ALL my employees. They do not want a union in to ruin what they have. They love that I respect their family life and promote it as a corporate value. I pay out of MY pocket for counselling for couples that are having troubles because a happy home promotes a good employee. Happy homes raise smart, well adjusted kids that turn out to be awesome people that want to work where their parent(s) did because they heard such great things about the company while they grew up.
Call me old fashioned but IT WORKS!! Currently Stephen Harper works for me in how I want Canada to change and rebuild.

Good on you for being a good guy! My job is not Union either and never will be. Because there are 13 people in the office and we all make an effort to get along and we have a great boss. So it's as much your people as it is you. Congrats on hiring good people.

TCCK, I get where you are coming from. You want a safe, secure life for your children. Me too!

The ony difference between us is that you would hide your children from all the bad, whereas I would educate them about all the "bad". I have done "bad", still sometimes do. But I want my child to be able to make an educated decision about "bad" stuff, rather than having him ignorant of it's consequences.

And I apologize for assuming you were a bible thumper.

Cheers!

Edited September 27, 2008 by Drea

Pliny · September 27, 2008

Well, TCCK is a true old conservative. He has a vision of how the world should be and frankly I can't entirely disagree. I am not a liberal in the new sense of the word - a caring-sharing socialist, but perhaps in the classic sense, I am. But forgetting the left-right political paradigm and looking at a person's concept of a structured society, the "amount" of government is all that is in question. Correct me if I am wrong, TCCK but I believe you have a strong belief in individual responsibility towards himself, family and society and all that government should be about is protecting honest citizens from criminality and those who would undermine the moral and ethical foundation of the society. It should not particularly be involved in engineering society but maintaining a standard that society itself sets.

There is, I believe a correlation peoples political outlook and their understanding of economics. I think the more removed a person is from understanding economic fundamentals the more socially idealistic he becomes. Confusing basics like "money" and "wealth" is an example, money of course can be moved around but is only a record and store of wealth. The ease with which government can move money makes the predictability of one's store of wealth nearly impossible for the average citizen. Some businessmen may rise above the fray but for the most part the Canadian citizen's "money" is subject to the egalitarian aspirations of socialist governments who promote the concept of caring and sharing because they are so willing to move your "wealth" around but in fact they are moving only money which is a store of wealth and removal of that store makes for an uncertain future .

TCCK, you must have found some disfavour in Harper's decision to tax income trusts, especially when he campaigned on a promise not to. This is government moving "money" around and is indicative of the uncertainty they bring to the economy and individuals in handling their "wealth" and thus their future.

People that promote the use of drugs and prostitution through their demands for legalization have a real misplacement of importances in life. In my opinion, they have a little too much time on their hands and concern themselves with being entertained, amused and their leisure time rather than in creating wealth or their futures. They make money, I am sure but I think the caring sharing attitude perpetrated by government and the uncertainty that brings to one's store of wealth has left them somewhat frustrated in their personal attempts to improve their lives so they live more for the moment rather than facing the uncertainties that the future can bring. People such as yourself, TCCK like to have a little bit more determination of your future and the future of your family and society. Nothing wrong in that.

Personally, I don't condemn those that wish to legalize drugs and prostitution because I don't believe it is the mandate of government to make those decisions for the individual. The individual must of course operate with a view of his future and how his activities determine his relationships with others and society, the quality of his life and his future. He cannot determine this if responsibility for his health, education, and his ability to store wealth is subject to the determination of government. If government makes his decisions for him regarding those important things in his life then he is left to decide what to do with his leisure time which now has become his level of responsibility and the most important aspect of his life. He complains about government infringing upon what he does with his free time but says little about its infringement upon his health and education choices and the "money" that must be moved around to supply these services. Beyond the vocal complaints of waste and inefficiency there is no desire to be fully responsible for one's health and education - the government should look after everyone.

So socially I am conservative but I believe that the individual and not government is responsible for his quality of life and his standard of living. He should thus be more responsible for his record and store of wealth without it being threatened. He can then think more about his future rather than what to do with his leisure "free" time.

PoliticalCitizen · September 27, 2008

To all of you good conservatives above - legalization of both recreational drugs and prostitution cannot harm you or your children.

The opposite is true - they will be protected from the "criminal element" selling drugs because drugs will be sold in a government-controlled way, just like sigarettes.

Same is true for prostitution.

If you don't want your kids to use either - just make them understand why it's bad. But if they decide to go ahead and try it anyway - the quality of the product will be assured by the government and they won't be at risk of overdose or other chemicals mixed in, or venerial diseases.

eyeball · September 27, 2008

Correct me if I am wrong, TCCK but I believe you have a strong belief in individual responsibility towards himself, family and society and all that government should be about is protecting honest citizens from criminality and those who would undermine the moral and ethical foundation of the society. It should not particularly be involved in engineering society but maintaining a standard that society itself sets.

Nice caveat to moral engineering but you're dreaming if you think society is going to somehow set itself only according to its own foundation of ethics and morals. That 'setting' is mostly a function of biology and evolution in the real world.

There is, I believe a correlation peoples political outlook and their understanding of economics. I think the more removed a person is from understanding economic fundamentals the more socially idealistic he becomes.

I think the more removed our economy gets from the natural environment that underwrites it, the more idiotic and confused our society gets. Excuse me for my idealistic belief that society can somehow be improved by engineering this shift towards recognizing the real fundamental basis for our economy. This would trigger a moral and ethical evolution of historic proportions.

Pliny · September 27, 2008

Nice caveat to moral engineering but you're dreaming if you think society is going to somehow set itself only according to its own foundation of ethics and morals. That 'setting' is mostly a function of biology and evolution in the real world.

Yes...and....

I think the more removed our economy gets from the natural environment that underwrites it, the more idiotic and confused our society gets.

I think that is what I said'

Excuse me for my idealistic belief that society can somehow be improved by engineering this shift towards recognizing the real fundamental basis for our economy. This would trigger a moral and ethical evolution of historic proportions.

Yes...and...

Pliny · September 27, 2008

To all of you good conservatives above - legalization of both recreational drugs and prostitution cannot harm you or your children.
The opposite is true - they will be protected from the "criminal element" selling drugs because drugs will be sold in a government-controlled way, just like sigarettes.

Same is true for prostitution.

If you don't want your kids to use either - just make them understand why it's bad. But if they decide to go ahead and try it anyway - the quality of the product will be assured by the government and they won't be at risk of overdose or other chemicals mixed in, or venerial diseases.

Why should government be the only agency dealing in drugs and prositution? It is who we appeal to for our immoral choices? We should allow these things to exist on the free market. The proifts will soon disappear out of them through competition and society will also again realize what they have forgotten about the destructive nature of these indulgences. Governments protection of the populace from such proclivities through illegalization has dulled the individual senses to their destructive nature. I am all for people finding out for themselves how to form honest, trusting and long-lasting relationships. Some never do learn and end up destroying their self-respect and all their relationships. If we wish to live in tiny little worlds we may do whatever we please. If we wish to interact with the wide world we must inform and discipline ourselves as to what is acceptable behavior.

People that can't find more useful things to do with their time have already lost a lot of control over their lives. They seek to take control over what's left when if control over their lives is their concern, and they certainly seem to express that, they should start with looking after their own health and getting a little education about responsibility as it relates to freedom and liberty. It would start building themselves a little self-respect. I don't want to confuse respect as being some sort of entitlement that the lib-left, caring-sharing politically correct crowd think it should be as long as you are also a member of the lib-left, caring-sharing politically correct crowd. It is something that is earned not bestowed upon the individual because he appears to think in a similar ideological vein.

whowhere · September 27, 2008

To all of you good conservatives above - legalization of both recreational drugs and prostitution cannot harm you or your children.
The opposite is true - they will be protected from the "criminal element" selling drugs because drugs will be sold in a government-controlled way, just like sigarettes.

Same is true for prostitution.

If you don't want your kids to use either - just make them understand why it's bad. But if they decide to go ahead and try it anyway - the quality of the product will be assured by the government and they won't be at risk of overdose or other chemicals mixed in, or venerial diseases.

So you are admitting prostitution spreads disease but if regulated by the government it will be safe. Perhaps. Really, a man should not be held hostage to ingrained desires pushed on them by the media, television, and their peers. Pop culture and society in general is sex-centric with the attitude you can look but can't touch. Sex is a distracting force and I believe is counter productive to ones ambition and focus on accomplishment.

As for drugs, cocaine and heroin used to be legal in the united states back in 1800's around the time of abe lincoln. These drugs were sold through the classifieds of newspapers and other publications. These drugs were marketed as a cure all of every ailment under the sun. In recent times I guess what was made illegal was ephedrin which I think is speed. The real question is why were these drugs made illegal in the first place? Pharmaceutacles is big business and they are represented by strong lobyists. These drugs could be viewed by them as competition to their drugs and they will resist any move to legalize those drugs. As for Marijuana and Hash, whynot legalize it, its in the same came as alcohol. Marijauna is a plant which is good and should not be illegal. As for LSD, ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, crack, and the list is long here requires processing and chemical labs. Without oversight, how can the quality be trusted? As for those who use these drugs, they are mentally and emotionally f'cked after use. What politician in their right mind would make access to these drugs more accessible when they wreak such havoc on the person?Politicians are suppose to be looking out for the productive and safe well being of the country. These drugs are counter productive. Those involved in the selling of drugs other than marijuana and hash ought to be fined rather than criminalized. Repeat offenders get stiffer fines to the point of jail if they don't get the point. The governement should shift away from criminalizing prostitution and drugs to fines. This way the country can make money and save on court costs.

Pliny · September 27, 2008

One of the reasons drugs and prostitution are illegal is they tend to be cash only transactions without a trail of identity for proper taxation. Even if legalized proper economic accounting is often not kept in records.

The only way to legalize it is to institute a cashless society. The only underground trade in these activities would then be limited to barter or an agreed upon and accepted underground currency. I doubt that the legalization of marijuana would see vast revenues for government, anyone can grow their own and probably the amount of people who currently grow their own would not increase if it were made legal. And prostitution would remain mostly underground anyway since it's clientele generally prefers anonymity for some reason. Government regulation may be somewhat of a guarantee of safety from disease but not a foolproof guarantee, and is definitely not a guarantee of privacy. Maybe Johns should be regulated and checked before visiting prostitutes so that prostitutes stay clean?

Anyway sex and drugs are highly overrated activities. Marketing likes to position products with them because they wish to meld the physiological drive of sex and the euphoria of drugs with their products. Sort of linking a product with a must have necessity. Consequently, we are bombarded with stimulations of the physiological drives for sex and happiness which seem elusive to many so they indulge themselves in materialism in an attempt to satiate the need. Never works... and the pursuit continues.

Pliny · September 27, 2008

As for LSD, ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, crack, and the list is long here requires processing and chemical labs. Without oversight, how can the quality be trusted? As for those who use these drugs, they are mentally and emotionally f'cked after use. What politician in their right mind would make access to these drugs more accessible when they wreak such havoc on the person?Politicians are suppose to be looking out for the productive and safe well being of the country. These drugs are counter productive.

I suppose we don't have to look after the productive and safe well-being of the country if the government is, and herein lies the problem. Who is the government?

Bryan · September 28, 2008

$100 per month daycare is not enough for the low income family to have one spouse stay home. It was stupid and did nothing for families that need two working parents to get by. Nor does it help the single parent. It was utterly useless.

Anyone who thinks an extra $100 a month is useless is welcome to send theirs to me.

It certainly has been very helpful to me. It was the one part of the 2006 CPC plan that I was most supportive of. Between that and the rest of the tax changes, I had more in my pocket every month than I ever did during the Liberals, and I got significantly more back on my returns at year end. For me and my 4 yr old daughter, it has been at least as good as promised if not better.

PoliticalCitizen · September 28, 2008

Why should government be the only agency dealing in drugs and prositution? It is who we appeal to for our immoral choices? We should allow these things to exist on the free market. The proifts will soon disappear out of them through competition and society will also again realize what they have forgotten about the destructive nature of these indulgences. Governments protection of the populace from such proclivities through illegalization has dulled the individual senses to their destructive nature. I am all for people finding out for themselves how to form honest, trusting and long-lasting relationships. Some never do learn and end up destroying their self-respect and all their relationships. If we wish to live in tiny little worlds we may do whatever we please. If we wish to interact with the wide world we must inform and discipline ourselves as to what is acceptable behavior.

Moral is a tricky thing...

Do you feel guilty of the deaths of 1.2 Million Iraqis when you fuel up your car?

Do you feel guilty of exterminating the Aboriginal Americans living on their land?

About the destructive nature...

Birth causes death... driving causes accidents... alcohol causes alcoholism... sedentary lifestyle causes cardio-vascular diseases...

It is all very relative. If your choice doesn't doesn't harm other people then it shouldn't be restricted.

Edited September 28, 2008 by PoliticalCitizen

PoliticalCitizen · September 28, 2008

So you are admitting prostitution spreads disease but if regulated by the government it will be safe. Perhaps. Really, a man should not be held hostage to ingrained desires pushed on them by the media, television, and their peers. Pop culture and society in general is sex-centric with the attitude you can look but can't touch. Sex is a distracting force and I believe is counter productive to ones ambition and focus on accomplishment.

Yes, and you should also admit that indiscriminate screwing for free also spreads diseases and is perfectly legal.

The desire to have sex is not "ingraine by the media", all of us with balls and ovaries have been programmed to procreate (or engage in the acts resembling procreation) even if it kills us.

Sex is the single most potent driving force of the LIVING, from single-cell organisms to plants and humans.

As for drugs, cocaine and heroin used to be legal in the united states back in 1800's around the time of abe lincoln. These drugs were sold through the classifieds of newspapers and other publications. These drugs were marketed as a cure all of every ailment under the sun. In recent times I guess what was made illegal was ephedrin which I think is speed. The real question is why were these drugs made illegal in the first place? Pharmaceutacles is big business and they are represented by strong lobyists. These drugs could be viewed by them as competition to their drugs and they will resist any move to legalize those drugs. As for Marijuana and Hash, whynot legalize it, its in the same came as alcohol. Marijauna is a plant which is good and should not be illegal. As for LSD, ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, crack, and the list is long here requires processing and chemical labs. Without oversight, how can the quality be trusted? As for those who use these drugs, they are mentally and emotionally f'cked after use. What politician in their right mind would make access to these drugs more accessible when they wreak such havoc on the person?Politicians are suppose to be looking out for the productive and safe well being of the country. These drugs are counter productive. Those involved in the selling of drugs other than marijuana and hash ought to be fined rather than criminalized. Repeat offenders get stiffer fines to the point of jail if they don't get the point. The governement should shift away from criminalizing prostitution and drugs to fines. This way the country can make money and save on court costs.

Psychotropic substances wreak less mental and emotional havoc on the person than alcohol, and some even less than nicotine.

Narcotics should never be legal as their use is pretty much a death sentence for the addicted (that includes alcohol).

craiger · September 28, 2008

I am deeply against drugs. On other hand I dislike the government to have a billion dollar industy fall into their pockets. I do not feel it would be good to decriminalize there is a billion dollar industry operating tax free. Like it or not people will always smoke the electric lettuce.

Edited September 28, 2008 by craiger

Pliny · September 28, 2008

Moral is a tricky thing...
Do you feel guilty of the deaths of 1.2 Million Iraqis when you fuel up your car?

Do you feel guilty of exterminating the Aboriginal Americans living on their land?

About the destructive nature...

Birth causes death... driving causes accidents... alcohol causes alcoholism... sedentary lifestyle causes cardio-vascular diseases...

It is all very relative. If your choice doesn't doesn't harm other people then it shouldn't be restricted.

So go ahead and hang yourself. Sorry, I am in a bad mood.

TCCK · September 28, 2008

1) I was a single mom and my kid has always been on the honour roll. Still is. He isn't rebellious. He mows the lawn without being asked! Today he and his buds are going "go-carting" -- celebrating his 15th birthday. He is 15 and has never tried drugs. Am I special too?
2) TCCK, I get where you are coming from. You want a safe, secure life for your children. Me too!

The ony difference between us is that you would hide your children from all the bad, whereas I would educate them about all the "bad". I have done "bad", still sometimes do. But I want my child to be able to make an educated decision about "bad" stuff, rather than having him ignorant of it's consequences.

And I apologize for assuming you were a bible thumper.

Cheers!

Regarding point 1, yes you are if your kids are like that and you were or are a single mom. GOOD for you, you probably don't hear that enough, I do not envy your situation but it sounds like you have done well with what you were handed.

Point 2) I educate my kids well, my Mom is an RN and I let her talk to the kids about alchol, drugs and smoking. A family friend is a doctor, he has had the same input into thier lives. My wife and I talk to them regularly on all these things too. The kids know I HAD a drinking problem when I was in my late teens but also know now Daddy never has more than 1 drink in a 6 hour time frame, he regularly says no to even one. The know what moderation means and why getting drunk even once is a bad road to go down. My wife does not drink but supports me that I have recovered and have the self control to drink the little I do. (I maybe have 3 drinks a month, if even that sometimes.) I have not blindly hid my children behind a wall and sheltered them from this world. They have been educated in truth about the all those things and more. My wife and I are preparing them to be able to make the right decisions for them with all the information at hand, not just the information from their peers at school. "Put the right stuff into them and they will most likely grow into amazing positive people that contribute to society" that's my child parenting moto. Time will tell.

TCCK · September 28, 2008

Quote: TCCK, you must have found some disfavour in Harper's decision to tax income trusts, especially when he campaigned on a promise not to. This is government moving "money" around and is indicative of the uncertainty they bring to the economy and individuals in handling their "wealth" and thus their future.

To answer that: Oh yes, that one has cost me more than most families make in a few years. Even if I do not like Harper's decision well I do see the point of it, even though it was a bit of a back stab but nothing like what Chretien did to me.

To PoliticalCitizen

To all of you good conservatives above - legalization of both recreational drugs and prostitution cannot harm you or your children.

The opposite is true - they will be protected from the "criminal element" selling drugs because drugs will be sold in a government-controlled way, just like cigarettes.

Response: Oh yes and the government has done such a great job at stopping kids from starting smoking and getting addicted before they turn 18 or 19 in this country!!! More kids are starting smoking than ever, drive be a high school and see all the teens just off of the school property have a smoke.

When will a government have the balls to make something that kills so many illegal. Oh but NO, do you know the tax dollars that are raised on cigarette sales???? Yet it still does not cover all the costs incurred by the medical system due to cigarette smoking related disease.

I will stop there because you do not want me to get going on that subject. (Oh and yes I was a nasty smoker when I was a drunk too!) And yes I pay from my company for anyone of my employees nationally if they want to quit smoking to get any treatment they need to quit. Yes I can write some of it off on my business taxes but I would do it even if I could not.

I trust any government (even the Conservatives!) to sell "recreational drugs" in a safe, organized manner as much as I would trust a chimpanzee with a loaded machine gun in an elevator. It'll gonna kill many and hurt even more.

whowhere · September 28, 2008

So go ahead and hang yourself. Sorry, I am in a bad mood.

It's to bad he couldn't have been added to the 1.2 million iraqies to make it 1,200,001. At least in the face of high gas prices I would have reason to smile.

Oleg Bach · September 28, 2008

Dope and and sex for money is simply not a good and healthy thing for society. Nor is it really good and neccessary to the individual. This buisness of saying that todays pot is the silly laugh weed of the early 70s is inaccurate. Todays pot is so genetically engineered that it is no longer pot but a habitual powerful substance that brings on chemically induced mental illness - as far as prostitution - what I notice is our best woman who are disadvantaged are prostituted, while second rate females with little character or genetic prowess rule the rooste.

To legalize prostitution in effect is the continued abuse and persecution of these females - when society should be lifting them up to their rightful postions...instead those that insist on legalizing (encouraging) hooking - are envious and hateful of so-called prostututes - and on to male prostitution - most are young men who have been abused as children and "think" they are gay - it's really quite sad...we are not the damned girlified Dutch - we are supposed to be mature MEN and WOMEN - we should not give way to moral neutrality to please the secretly deviate amongst us!

DrGreenthumb · September 28, 2008

Quote: TCCK, you must have found some disfavour in Harper's decision to tax income trusts, especially when he campaigned on a promise not to. This is government moving "money" around and is indicative of the uncertainty they bring to the economy and individuals in handling their "wealth" and thus their future.
To answer that: Oh yes, that one has cost me more than most families make in a few years. Even if I do not like Harper's decision well I do see the point of it, even though it was a bit of a back stab but nothing like what Chretien did to me.

To PoliticalCitizen

To all of you good conservatives above - legalization of both recreational drugs and prostitution cannot harm you or your children.

The opposite is true - they will be protected from the "criminal element" selling drugs because drugs will be sold in a government-controlled way, just like cigarettes.

Response: Oh yes and the government has done such a great job at stopping kids from starting smoking and getting addicted before they turn 18 or 19 in this country!!! More kids are starting smoking than ever, drive be a high school and see all the teens just off of the school property have a smoke.

When will a government have the balls to make something that kills so many illegal. Oh but NO, do you know the tax dollars that are raised on cigarette sales???? Yet it still does not cover all the costs incurred by the medical system due to cigarette smoking related disease.

I will stop there because you do not want me to get going on that subject. (Oh and yes I was a nasty smoker when I was a drunk too!) And yes I pay from my company for anyone of my employees nationally if they want to quit smoking to get any treatment they need to quit. Yes I can write some of it off on my business taxes but I would do it even if I could not.

I trust any government (even the Conservatives!) to sell "recreational drugs" in a safe, organized manner as much as I would trust a chimpanzee with a loaded machine gun in an elevator. It'll gonna kill many and hurt even more.

The facts as usual do not support your (conservative) argument. Like ALL rates of tobacco smoking, teen smoking has decreased drastically in the last 10-15 years. Pot smoking among teens and everyone else has risen at about the same rate. It appears that EDUCATION and REGULATION, is much more effective at controlling behavior than PROHIBITING. Prohibiting teens from doing something is pretty much daring them to DO IT.

Drea · September 28, 2008

Quote: TCCK, you must have found some disfavour in Harper's decision to tax income trusts, especially when he campaigned on a promise not to. This is government moving "money" around and is indicative of the uncertainty they bring to the economy and individuals in handling their "wealth" and thus their future.
To answer that: Oh yes, that one has cost me more than most families make in a few years. Even if I do not like Harper's decision well I do see the point of it, even though it was a bit of a back stab but nothing like what Chretien did to me.

To PoliticalCitizen

To all of you good conservatives above - legalization of both recreational drugs and prostitution cannot harm you or your children.

The opposite is true - they will be protected from the "criminal element" selling drugs because drugs will be sold in a government-controlled way, just like cigarettes.

Response: Oh yes and the government has done such a great job at stopping kids from starting smoking and getting addicted before they turn 18 or 19 in this country!!! More kids are starting smoking than ever, drive be a high school and see all the teens just off of the school property have a smoke.

When will a government have the balls to make something that kills so many illegal. Oh but NO, do you know the tax dollars that are raised on cigarette sales???? Yet it still does not cover all the costs incurred by the medical system due to cigarette smoking related disease.

I will stop there because you do not want me to get going on that subject. (Oh and yes I was a nasty smoker when I was a drunk too!) And yes I pay from my company for anyone of my employees nationally if they want to quit smoking to get any treatment they need to quit. Yes I can write some of it off on my business taxes but I would do it even if I could not.

I trust any government (even the Conservatives!) to sell "recreational drugs" in a safe, organized manner as much as I would trust a chimpanzee with a loaded machine gun in an elevator. It'll gonna kill many and hurt even more.

In BC it is now illegal to smoke in any public building, or within 3 metres of a doorway or window, or with a child in your car. Cigarette logos and brand names must be hidden.

These laws were introduced by the government. So yes, I trust that if I go to buy a bag of weed or a gram of mushrooms at the "drug store" (like a liquor store) it will be what it is supposed to be. And ingesting it will have age limitations just like cigarettes and alcohol.

I recently quit smoking -- fall off the wagon now and then tho -- because it's just not socially acceptable to smoke anymore. I was educated and bullied into quitting by the government!

As far as legalizing prostitution. I think it would be safer for the women and for the johns. The other day I asked a cop about this very topic and he plainly said drugs and prostitution should be legal and regulated so he could get on with his real job of stopping real crime. 5 minutes later I drove by a woman on the street. She looked normal (not like a "druggie") and I wondered to myself "what ever happened in her life that drove her to stand out on this rainy street and sell herself". There must be an underlying issue, I am certain she was not doing it because she liked it. -- the forlorn look on her face told me this.