Toronto School Board eyes "Afro-centric" school

[Bonam]

I learned about him in Ancient History back in high school. And now that I think of it, I may not have read much from him. I may have gotten him confused with Homer for a moment. Because I do recall the brutal time I had with reading the Odessy and the Illiad.

I'll try to pick it up soon Or read it online.

If you think reading the Odyssey and the Iliad are a "brutal time" to read, you won't get through Herodotus' histories. Where the Iliad and Odyssey are exciting and full of action, the histories are rather dry.. they are after all history books, rather than epic novels.

[Thomas Kwon]

Like the ones involved in a knife fight recently at a Toronto High School?

Excuse me hourably adversary, Pardon my shiv...

It was between Blacks and Asians.

Nowhere do I see Asians being pointed out as oriental Asians.

and seeing as how there are no arrests made, I am guessing it's the black kids that stabbed the Asian kids because if it was the other way around... the black community would certainly have played the "race card".

Furthermore, North East Oriental Asia has the lowest crime rates in the world (e.g., Japan, South Korea), while being the least affected by the economic decline.

[M.Dancer]

If you think reading the Odyssey and the Iliad are a "brutal time" to read, you won't get through Herodotus' histories. Where the Iliad and Odyssey are exciting and full of action, the histories are rather dry.. they are after all history books, rather than epic novels.

I quite enjoy Herodotus. I've read Histories at least 3 times and find it fascinating as it is the only accessible source of the Greek Persian wars.

[M.Dancer]

I learned about him in Ancient History back in high school. And now that I think of it, I may not have read much from him. I may have gotten him confused with Homer for a moment. Because I do recall the brutal time I had with reading the Odessy and the Illiad.

I'll try to pick it up soon Or read it online.

I've just finished re-reading the Aeniad by Virgil. It was a translation done in prose.

[lictor616]

It was between Blacks and Asians.

Nowhere do I see Asians being pointed out as oriental Asians.

and seeing as how there are no arrests made, I am guessing it's the black kids that stabbed the Asian kids because if it was the other way around... the black community would certainly have played the "race card".

Furthermore, North East Oriental Asia has the lowest crime rates in the world (e.g., Japan, South Korea), while being the least affected by the economic decline.

probably right.

[jbg]

Lol, a sinocentric or japanese-centric school...

I think every ethnic pol who wants to be a big fish in a small pond should be able to channel a group of students to schools under their control.

Heck, the politicians in Quebec get away with forcing almost all students to French-centric schools even if their parents are immigrants, say, from Italy or Denmark and want their children to learn a language useful outside of some political bastion.

[BubberMiley]

Heck, the politicians in Quebec get away with forcing almost all students to French-centric schools even if their parents are immigrants, say, from Italy or Denmark and want their children to learn a language useful outside of some political bastion.

They are free to move to another political bastion if they like. They knew it was a French province when they moved there.

[kimmy]

Have you read The Histories?

-k

[jbg]

They are free to move to another political bastion if they like. They knew it was a French province when they moved there.

Excuse me.

Montreal was a largely English-speaking area when the immigrants moved there. And nobody's stopping anyone from having hteir children educated in French in bi-lingual areas. Many other areas also have French Immersion. English Immersion in Quebec? I don't think that's available so readily.

[M.Dancer]

Excuse me.

Montreal was a largely English-speaking area when the immigrants moved there.

Montreal has been largely french (as in the majority) since it was founded.

[DogOnPorch]

I learned about him in Ancient History back in high school. And now that I think of it, I may not have read much from him. I may have gotten him confused with Homer for a moment. Because I do recall the brutal time I had with reading the Odessy and the Illiad.

I'll try to pick it up soon Or read it online.

It's really fun to read and many stories you'll recognize from here or there. But remember...while Herodotus is the father of history, he's also the father of lies. Most the stuff is true (as we're going to get)...but other stuff...lol.

http://classics.mit.edu/Herodotus/history.html

Another good one is Xenophon's Hellenica...much more of a dry-read, though.

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/1174

[jbg]

Montreal has been largely french (as in the majority) since it was founded.

The language of business there was English.

[BubberMiley]

The language of business there was English.

Not since the 1960s. The immigrants with children you speak of must have come more recently, and they must have been attracted by its French character. Fortunately, there are efforts to preserve that for them.

[GostHacked]

It's really fun to read and many stories you'll recognize from here or there. But remember...while Herodotus is the father of history, he's also the father of lies. Most the stuff is true (as we're going to get)...but other stuff...lol.

http://classics.mit.edu/Herodotus/history.html

Another good one is Xenophon's Hellenica...much more of a dry-read, though.

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/1174

We made a fan club in that class. We where the only 5 members of the Heredotus Fan Club. We had 5 findings.

1 - Heradotus was a liar

2 - Aliens built the pyramids

3 - Alexander the Great was into horses - literally

4 - Bull vaulters often joined the Vienna Choir.

5 - I am not sure what the 5th item was

Good thing is I kept most of my projects from Ancient history class. I think that is the ONLY class I have ever really saved things of. I will get back to you on the 5th item. I am sure it was awesome and I am sure I have it somewhere. I saw this list a couple months ago when organizing some files.

[August1991]

Like Africentric schools, aboriginal schools and even French immersion, boys-only schooling will take hold because it's acknowledging different educational needs, says Larry Swartz, who teaches at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education at the University of Toronto.

“I don't think it's going to be fast,” he says. “I think they're going to pay attention to a) the community, the needs, but always looking to some research that will guide them.”

G & M

Will those who argue against an "Afro-centric" school now also argue against an "All Boys" school? Or will they claim that it's a different issue?

[M.Dancer]

G & M

Will those who argue against an "Afro-centric" school now also argue against an "All Boys" school? Or will they claim that it's a different issue?

My daughter when she heard this said she thought it was incredibly unfair as the boys tend to stick to themselves anyway....she thinks a girls school would be much more in her interest.

"Why should the boys get something and the girls don't?"

[August1991]

"Why should the boys get something and the girls don't?"

If you read the G&M article Morris, it's clear that there are more all-girls schools (in Canada at least) than all-boys schools.

Canadian public school boards have been quicker to embrace girls-only schools. Calgary's Alice Jamieson Girls Academy runs from grades 4 through 9 as part of the co-ed Stanley Jones School. The chartered Calgary Girls' School runs independently from the school boards but isn't private. Holy Angels High School in Sydney, N.S., will graduate its 125th class next spring.

“[The all girls environment] gives them the opportunity to mature, to become leaders, to discover who they really are without the distractions of boys,” says Holy Angels principal Theresa MacKenzie.

[M.Dancer]

If you read the G&M article Morris, it's clear that there are more all-girls schools (in Canada at least) than all-boys schools.

Not in Toronto and not in the public system.

[Michael Hardner]

You're daughter's reaction is a natural one when someone first hears of systemic special treatment for a group. However, the problem is that boys are falling behind, from what I hear.

You should explain to your daughter about social programs that were intended to help women and girls in the workplace.

If she's old enough, you might even watch an episode of 'Mad Men' with her. ( For God's sake, pre-screen the episode as some material is decidedly blue) Or maybe download some scenes. It's a strange thing to watch that era and realize how much things have changed. In fact, the real world wasn't likely as bad as shown, but maybe it was in the advertising world.

[M.Dancer]

If she's old enough, you might even watch an episode of 'Mad Men' with her.

No thanks. Watched one episode and found it cliched and dull.

...she prefers Hanna Montana, The Wizards of Waverly Place, and Lost

[g_bambino]

Will those who argue against an "Afro-centric" school now also argue against an "All Boys" school? Or will they claim that it's a different issue?

Having gone to an all-boys school myself, I admit I thought immediately of the Afri-centric school issue when I heard of this proposal and wondered if I'd been duplicitous in being okay with one but opposing the other. However, is it not a different issue? At the school I attended, boys were boys, regardless of culture or race; students divided themselves by interest instead of skin colour or ethnicity. The same seemed to go at the all-girls school a block away. So, are those who support the "Afri-centric" (euphemism for "black-skinned-only-students-please") claiming that race dictates one's ability to learn? If so, they're standing at the top of a very slippery slope.

[Mr.Canada]

Having gone to an all-boys school myself, I admit I thought immediately of the Afri-centric school issue when I heard of this proposal and wondered if I'd been duplicitous in being okay with one but opposing the other. However, is it not a different issue? At the school I attended, boys were boys, regardless of culture or race; students divided themselves by interest instead of skin colour or ethnicity. The same seemed to go at the all-girls school a block away. So, are those who support the "Afri-centric" (euphemism for "black-skinned-only-students-please") claiming that race dictates one's ability to learn? If so, they're standing at the top of a very slippery slope.

Right so I would expect to see Euro-centric(people with Euro backgrounds only please) schools opening very soon with little in the way of opposition. After all it's the left who taught us we all need to be treated equally and fairly. What's good for one group is good for any other one should they decide.

[lictor616]

Right so I would expect to see Euro-centric(people with Euro backgrounds only please) schools opening very soon with little in the way of opposition. After all it's the left who taught us we all need to be treated equally and fairly. What's good for one group is good for any other one should they decide.

ahahhah don't tell me you're foolish enough to believe a liberal... and expect him to live up to his own code of conduct.. AND be honest on top of it!|

cmon everyone knows that blacks are "more equal" then lowly tax paying white swine.

[H10]

Right so I would expect to see Euro-centric(people with Euro backgrounds only please) schools opening very soon with little in the way of opposition. After all it's the left who taught us we all need to be treated equally and fairly. What's good for one group is good for any other one should they decide.

So what do you call

-greek language schools

german school board

french school board

roman catholic school board

ukranian catholic schools

english schools

and lgbt schools

irish protestant schools

"Art" schools aka white art/european arts like "Drama" and "Dance" and notice the music is 95% european classical instruments coming from orchestra.

Whites already have their own cultural schools, if they wanted to open up eurocentric school, i'd have no issue, in my view it already exist, what else do you call a white focused curriculum with a white cultural twist on everything?

[H10]

Having gone to an all-boys school myself, I admit I thought immediately of the Afri-centric school issue when I heard of this proposal and wondered if I'd been duplicitous in being okay with one but opposing the other. However, is it not a different issue? At the school I attended, boys were boys, regardless of culture or race; students divided themselves by interest instead of skin colour or ethnicity. The same seemed to go at the all-girls school a block away. So, are those who support the "Afri-centric" (euphemism for "black-skinned-only-students-please") claiming that race dictates one's ability to learn? If so, they're standing at the top of a very slippery slope.

You are indeed being duplicitous.

I don't think those who support africentric schools are claiming this anymore than italian centric, germancentric, english, french and other white culutral centric, o and asians, jews and muslim centrics are claiming this.

If there was a single school system, then there might be grounds for such an argument, but toronto has over 70+ cultural/linguistic/ethnic schools. At this point it is just plain discriminatory that indians, hindus, muslims, jews, italians, greeks, germans, ukranians, french, english, irish, native indian, lgbt, punjab, chinese and so on and so forth all get their own centric schools but a large minority in the city is denied it.

The studies recommended the schools to boost student scoring and fix dropout rates. Eurocentric curriculum combined with a broader eurocentric culture, and racism from teachers, students, and administrators is toxic and poisionius to these children, and it creates an environment where 40% say they'd rather not go and take that harassment. It isn't worth that to get a degree. The africentric school removes alot of these racism and eurocentrism, and shows these students they matter and they are important and that the african experience is central to humanity. The Eurocentric education tells them they are worthless largely by omission but partly by portraying them in constantly negative ways aka (you always either the help or the butler or in the alternative you mlk movie or nwa movie).

You can go through k-12 education do well and not know a single thing about your own peoples.