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The plane that hit the Pentagon killed all of the investigators (except for 1) and destroyed the records, same with wtc7 and the enron stuff. See "Seven Days In September" written by a colonel from the Pentagon that was at the Pentagon that day. Very interesting read. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-56...ys+In+September is this linked to that book at all?? Got a name for that Colonel ? Now we are getting somewhere. Screw the bombs in the building thing (for now). The money trail will lead to these crooks. Then with that evidence, you can back up the inside job thing for 9/11. We can work together on this one Polynewbie. I know we can.

Kimmy (had to edit for gammer) Money and greed go hand in hand. And that is not cause for some alarm at all? Why does so much money go missing? So no money trail, or a covered up one. What was this money being used for? Where did it go? Who benefited from it? What was bought with it? Who knows it is UNACCOUNTED FOR. Money goes missing all the time yeah, but. Rumsfeld said it was a matter of life and death to find out where this money goes. He wanted to crack down on Pentagon spending. I bet for sure each and every one of you can account for more than 95% of your money over any given year. Less than that and you would be freaking out. Worrying and stuff. Stress. WHERE DID I SPEND MY MONEY !!!! I cannot account for it. Hmmm maybe I should look into it. I maye have been wrong about the time frame, but 25% of any budget that is unallocated or COOKED is a shame and a crime to the American taxpayers. Imagine if 2.3 million dollars was injected back into the pockets of the taxpayers. 8000 for every person in the United States. So where does this go? If you follow the money trail, I am sure you can find out what happened during 9/11 and the years after it. 2.3 trillion is not chump change people. Some countries on this planet do not have that as a GDP. Some citizens in sweatshops around the world are making pennies a day to produde the crap we buy in the stores. So to me 2.3 trillion is a big deal. 25% ONE/QUARTER of the total budget. But just shrug this off as cooked books. Well who the hell is cooking the books and for what purpose?? No one has bothered to look into this at all?? If anyone is married or even have observed their parents with financial matters. My mom would always get in a tiff when dad could not account for some money (he went to the titty bar) and really did not tell my mom what it was for. It was not a huge amount of money , but it was enough fof r them to get into fights about it. Possibly not being able to pay the mortgage or other utility bill in full for that month. Throwing finances off for a whole month. Imagine what 2.3 trillion will do.So what have they done with 2.3 trillion? Even if it is over a 5 to 10 year period, it still amounts to 25% of the entire budget for that time period. Then the next day things changed. I bet the spending practices are still the same in the Pentagon. Funny that we have not revisited this. No investigations or followups. Nothing. Odd?? And with all the other scandals about money missing makes me thing something is up. Money is all that matters and all that will matter to some. Those are then ones that are dangerous. Cooking the books is a crime. Enron execs got changed for cooking books, as well as other corporations in the United States. So who is accountable in the government for these cooked books? Us Canadians get out undies in a bunch when the Liberals blew 100 million dollars. Chump change compared to the 2.3 trillion the American taxpayers lost. Such a shame. Addition - that missing money could have been spent on providing the US troops in Iraq with the right equipment for the job in the first place. Also add up to the total cost of the wars with Afghanistan and Iraq to this day.... and it does not even come to 2.3 trillion is that perspective for you?

Well let's take a look at all the scandals of when Iraq was invaded. Iraq for Sale : The war profeteers. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-91...duration%3Along Comapnies named (United States) Halliburton Parsons Blackwater Dyncorp I say we post every money scandal involving Iraq since the drums of war were first being pounded. You may want to go as far back as the frist Gulf War. Corruption runs deep. I am going to start with Halliburton. Cheney's old company. He was CEO for some time. http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/ The most obvious thing to see here is how Halliburton's stock is doing. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=HAL&t=5y From JAN/03 to present the stock climbs from 10/share to about 30/share. All this during the Iraq war. I doubt their stock would have gone up if it was not for a war situation. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2.../24/80648.shtml June 25,2001 Seems like Halliburton was doing some proxy business with other foriegn companies to get around the legal barrirer of not dealing in Iraq Ahh, I see, once you 'foiund out' that maybe illegal business was done in Iraq, then you push to change policy. The fall out from this? Lybia is now a friend of the US again. Iraq is in shambles, and Iran is next in the sites. Dig it up people. Let's put the things together that the MSM will not do. Keep the scandal list going.

Big deal, just some 'celebrity' that led life in the fast lane, and she smashed into the barrier, and besides, invading Iraq was uncalled for.

Either way it sucks for the newborn. I am surprised the media obsesses with her. I found her to be average at best in terms of hotness. She is like a Pamela Anderson. Well enough insuting her for now. Who gets the cash now??

It seems like an untimely death. I suspect foul play. Just for the fact they were still in court battles for the rich oil mans money. Most likely someone from the family hired someone to take her out somehow.

Polynewbie Calling me an idiot is not going to get you anymore support here at all. So stop it, or I report you and you are gone ok? Cool. We all can check plenty of sites that will give us FACTS, it is all a matter of perspective. Again, you need to change your tactics. Canadian Blue No, obvious we are not in a police state. But with some of the things put in place to fight this war on terror, it can easily slip into one without much people noticing. Britian is about as close to a police state as I can find so far. Let's take a look at Britian. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1953770.stm Holy crap, this article is from 2002 Now alot of these things advanced before the attack on the public transit system in London. All those security measures amounted to absolute SHIT. They did not prevent an attack. http://cbs5.com/specialreports/local_story_188204442.html To bad they did not crack the case before the bombings. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1770 Makes people think twice? Is that not what the cameras were put in for? To make people think twice about doing something bad? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6309917.stm Now the X-ray thing is new to CCTV. It is being tested in a couple airports in the United States. So Even over the time frame of these articles, all this security will not amount to shit. It will NOT prevent another terror attack at all. I am not sure how the CTC cameras are used in the United States.... but I will look into it.

Well, it is certainly unassailed by any counter-arguments from you. I assume your next line of approach will be "You sux so bad I wont waist time showing you how much you sux. YR 2TLLY PWNED DOOD LOL!!!11!" OMFG this made my day. Japan had a sizeable military and a pretty kick ass navy back then. They had the capability to attack the US on their turf, Pearl Harbour was a good military strategic hit by Japan. Japan could have attacked mainland USA with general ease. Iran does not have that capability. So this is really an unfair comparison Jerry and shows you cannot put this into any kind of reasonable context. If your next post consists of calling me stupid or anything of the like in which I have seen here in the last page of this thread (in regards to the way you talk to Black Dog), I would consider reporting you. Should this thread be renamed to the Stupidity of the Right? You either believe in defeating and killing the enemy or you don't. I believe in killing and defeating the enemy. That's what the US achieved with Japan - decisive victory and a message: don't fuck with us again. Certainly the middle east could use that. Jerry, it is more of a case where the US has been screwing with the middle east far before the Middle East had a chance to screw with the US. The thing is, I do not see Iran as a threat or as an enemy. The same way I did not think Iraq was a threat.

Well, it is certainly unassailed by any counter-arguments from you. I assume your next line of approach will be "You sux so bad I wont waist time showing you how much you sux. YR 2TLLY PWNED DOOD LOL!!!11!" OMFG this made my day. Japan had a sizeable military and a pretty kick ass navy back then. They had the capability to attack the US on their turf, Pearl Harbour was a good military strategic hit by Japan. Japan could have attacked mainland USA with general ease. Iran does not have that capability. So this is really an unfair comparison Jerry and shows you cannot put this into any kind of reasonable context. If your next post consists of calling me stupid or anything of the like in which I have seen here in the last page of this thread (in regards to the way you talk to Black Dog), I would consider reporting you. Should this thread be renamed to the Stupidity of the Right?

1 On this first point I have a problem with it. You did not hear the United States or any member states of the Coalition of the Willing pipe up and say WHOA DUDE DON'T HANG SADDAM !! This is the new civilized Iraq brought to you by American Military Might. They now have the freedom to do what they want as a society. Is that not what the US wanted to Iraq? For them to be free and make thier own choices? Not to mention some of the members of the Coaliton of the willing have capitol punishment that may include hangings. Even some states in the United States have the death penalty. Death by haning, lethal injection, firing squad is all barbaric. All societies around this planet seem to partake in just what you call barbaric and savage. Only thing it seems to me is the Iraqi's make no apologies about it. Saddam was tried, convicted and sentence carried out very quickly (which I found odd, no chance of appeal). Efficient. Althought I will say the hanging was very sudden, (my thoughts on that are in other threads)

Call it a hunch. Simliar posting techniques. Similar language when posting. You may be a legit person sure, but I am going to say it is a character account. I have seen them before, here and other sites. If you are who you say you are, then I offer my apologies. Also it seems like plenty of things in this thread need to be proven/disproven. No I don't want your myspace link. I stay far away from that place. And what is wrong is that I am the only one offering anything here in way of providing at least SOME EXPLANATION on things. Polynewbie and company rehash the same old till it.... fuck now I am starting to be a broken record talking about this thread being a broken record (or maybe I got the loop mode on... )

Black Dog has you hear Polynewbie. Polynewbie - Also I am going to call you out on this and say Jenna is one of your accounts. If you had the facts Polynewbie, you would be spreading them everywhere. Both the official version and the truthies movement version both have some speculation to it so NEITHER STORY HAS ALL THE FACTS. You talk about facts. Instead of saying they are fake, ever offer some proof on the fakeness? The calls were most likely made my in-plane phones and NOT cell phones. So the calls could have happened that way. But the cell phone was limited in range in 2001. Has the fact that cell phones have different modes of transmission concern anyone? Analog cell phones do have a longer range than digital or GSM networks (gsm I think came after 2001 http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/cell-phone11.htm Shows how old analog cell phones can be cloned. So the calls could have been faked by way of cloning the phones. http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/cell-phone1.htm Seems like a cell tower can cover about 10 square miles. ( or 26 square KMs) Now unless there were cell phone toweres all along the way then the calls could not have come from cell phones. Or they were not reliable at all and the signal would beweak and cut out often. I'd be very interested to know what proivder these people were calling on and the type of phone that was used. That could be a little difficult to answer and find out. Since cell tower coverage worlks like a bubble, there would be many gaps in cell reception in a plane at 10,000 feet. (3kms) The calls could not have been made at 30,000 feet for the limiting range in cell phones. (remember they added anteneas to the planes now to make cell ohone reception work better) Other things can interfere with a cell signal as well. The structure of the plane could have an impact on the range and reception of the calls. http://www.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,59604,00.html http://physics911.net/projectachilles Some guys around London Ontario in 2003 did some flight tests with cell phones. This seems to offer alot moe than what you have offered so far Polynewbie. This was back in 2003 as well, and I would have no doubt that the technology is better in 2003 than in 2001. So by that logic, I have a hard time beleiving the cell phone calls were made from the planes. Sat phones sure. But that was a very pricey thing back in 2001 and not everyone could afford them. But they can be used anywhere. Polynewbie, this is how you do it. Instead of saying it was faked. offer some explanation on how it could be faked. I have nothing to show here it could be faked. The technology was simply not there for the calls to happen with any kind of reliable connection. Not to mention that after the first plane hit the WTC, many many phone calls (cell, land, ect) were generated right away. If you had problems connecting on the ground with a cell, chances are you would have had more problems connecting from the air. The more people on the network the less chance youn have of making a connection of any kind. My conclusion is, if the calls were made from the planes, it was done by in plane sat phones and not cellular phones.

Hezbollah must really love watching the suffering of it's own people. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6336971.stm Although But, yeah they were the targets. Last year. But, at least they were found and disabled.

Black Dog Edit : I guess some calls were made from in-plane phones, and some were from cell phones. I am not sure how valid the cell phone calls from the planes are. For what I know, is that the technology was limiting in the range, and could not get up to that height. 10,000 feet is about 3 KMs. Cell phones don't quite have that range today. So I think if anything, people were calling from an in-plane phone for those calls. But it was after 9/11 (couple years it seems) that devices were installed in planes so people could make their own calls from their own cell phones. I don't get it for whatever reason. Possible? Indeed Probable? Personaly I think it is low. I wonder if anyone tried to make calls back to those on the planes?

I managed to check out the cockpit video, it is on Google Videos. Those pilots seemed to have doubts about the target they had in sight. They confirmed it with their base. Field commanders told them, that it was their target. Why not take a couple recon shots to confirm the target? Almost right after the pilots strafed the Britts, then the Sky Cheif came on and told them that friendlies where on the ground. That sucks for the pilots, they should not be charged with shit. They were given bad intel. If they ignore orders, they get court martialed and jailed. They obeyed orders and now they are still going to get court martialed and jailed. Sucks for those pilots. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-297944469677991983 http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wo...ack=1&cset=true

Anything to offer to the thread other than this??? Do you read books? Or are they too long for you? Scriblett For that, there are equals on either side of the equation. Palestinians want their land back, which Israel illegaly took. The world community seems to really hate this 'security barrier' which really makes every day life EXTREMELY HARD on all Palestinians. Take a look at that security barrier route. I mean REALLY take a look at it, and then try to tell me it is for security purposes. Tit for tat. Back and forth. Both blame each other. Both are stubborn and won't budge. Personaly I think this needs more exposure. If high profile people of the Jewish religion are comming out and saying Israel is in the wrong, then you should pay attention to it. As for the war last summer, the Israeli soldier is still in Palestinian custody (Hammas or other). People within the Israeli government are saying overall, Israel overreacted to the whole situation. Desperate times call for desperate measures. If death is all you see, then death is all you believe. Palestinian suicide bombers (ok now I am purely guessing here butt..) seem to think they are justified in sacraficing themselves for their people. Why do people have a hard time with this view? Many soldiers go to war and die and are in a way sacraficed for the common goal. They believe in the cause. Try to talk them out of it. Can't. Try to talk to Israel to tear down the barrier, and give some land back and evacuate the occupied territories. They won't. BOTH SIDES won't budge one bit. International debate and 'talks' accomplish nothing, for after the fact they both revert to their tactics.

Polynewbie - Again, I ask you, please change your tactics. Rehashing the same ol' is NOT going to get you anymore support here. I have been watching this thread and will keep telling you to change your tactics to get more to see your point of view. But you have really offered nothing but rehashing of the same old. This thread is a broken record. Again I state that I agree with you, but from all the other perspectives here, you have not made headway one damn bit with this thread. Not one. Not one of these posters here, in this thread, that support the official story, is buying anything you have to sell. Maybe the packaging is wrong, maybe the advertising is wrong, could also be the product is wrong. You are not convincing anyone. Even with your tactics (remember I am in the same camp as you) I cannot support things you say, for you offer nothing new. What you need to do is make more connections. Bill Curtis who did the Power of Nightmares at least gives you alot of backstory for it all. He is pretty convicing that fearmongering is what the powers that be, do. So unless you start giving new information, I would suggest not posting to this thread anymore. Why the hell do you think my other 9/11 thread is burried. I have nothing new really to offer to that thread. I am working on it though. Take your time to research things. People watch and use the MSM. Link MSM articles with the 'Alex Jones' type articles and then you can start convincing people of it. Please dude, for all the truthies out there. Help us out man.

From what I understand is the 2.3 trillion was for the fiscal year of 1999 to 2000. Rumsfeld wanted to crack down on bad accounting practices. He said the 2.3 equals about 25% of the Pentagons budget for that year. Hammer - 1000 dollars Toilet seat - 5000 dollars Kleenex - 100 dollars New military? Priceless a trillion is a million million dollars. You can buy alot of stuff with 2.3 trillion. Those who are not recording the transactions should have been held accountable. This is no chump change. I would even guess Bill Gates considers that a large sum of money ... anyways. Money goes unnacounted for all the time in the US. Would you not want to punish those who cannot account for everything? Just seems like a lot of money for one year. EDIT Just to show you that this crap is still ongoing with the money.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6338341.stm More money missing. Could this have been done better? OH HELL YES!! So much corruption.

You have GOT to be kidding me. http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/05/...aker/index.html Seems like a few people have been overlooked someone who was on the ballot. I predict an untimely death.

Biofuel is a wasteful enterprise. First off you are using oil to plant/harvest/process netting a loss of consumable energy, compared to just using the oil to plant corn to eat. I think solar/wind/electric is the way to go. (remember the GM EV1?) Iran does not need the greenback since it is trading all it's oil in Euros. If you want to do business in regards to oil with Iran, you deal in Euros. Who benefits from that anyways? Not the US that is for sure. Iraq was looking at switching to the Euro as well. In a way this really prevents the US from doing energy/oil related business in Iran. Since the US has that many troops, tell me why they did not use enough troops to secure Afghanistan and Iraq after the invasions? And why are the Democrats blocking the resolution for more troops to be sent to the Gulf? (ok non binding resolution but it is just semantics). Or are they keeping the troops at home on standby to move into Iran in a moments notice?

Give them tanks away? Sell them to the Afgan army yes,(if they could afford them in the first place) but not give. If that was your proposal, it is cheaper to transport the tanks back to Canada.

What the hell is FFS, is it one of these new retarded term's made up out of pure ignorance. For the record I'm a libertarian liberal politically. FFS - For fack sakes.

No kidding. I wonder when Chavez will peacefully leave office. Probably when they carry his body out the door. Bush, however, will go when his term is up. The Bush comparison is laughable gost, except you really believe the nonsense you are typing. I am hoping you all read the part where he is only to have these powers for the next 18 months. I will still say that Bush won the election by way of a botched diebolded scam in Florida.

Bush does not have the power to seize an industry like Chavez is doing to the oil industry. Bush does not have the power to shut down a TV station he doesn't like as Chavez is doing. It wasn't the Venzuelan people who are giving the powers to Chavez, it is their Congress. Their people had no say. AHH so both Venezuela and the US are very similar in many ways. Stop being a hypocrite. So in a way you have just proven that Bush and Chavez are very similar in many many ways. Bush has the power to nationalize oil/gas/energy, but the 'bankers' and 'oilmen' won't let it get out of their control. Big business owns the government in the United States. Chavez wants to turn that table around for Venezuela. I really don't see a bad thing about that. That money could be used to fund a nationwide health care system that is free for all. In the US people pay for health care out the ass and the oilmen are still getting rich. Exxon and Shell have both posted the best years in profits for the last year. So Bush/Chavez - both get approval from congress. - both can make executive orders without a vote by the people it will effect. - claim each other is a criminal. - there have to be more points here about the similarities. You'd think you were looking at the same person when it is on paper. Bush does have all those powers you talk off. In the form of Executive Orders.

Well the way I see it Canadian Blue, is that the reason there are no guards at these 'camps', is for the fact that no one is being held in them. Shocking I know. But here is how it could play out. These camps are there for the citizens of the country they are in.... (oil is gone and food is short and martial law has been declared) The reason you can get close is that they are not being used at the moment. Next time you may be able to get even closer,,,, like INSIDE BEHIND THE GATES!!! Never to come out. JBG Well, none of us here are judges (in what you know as a judge) so frankly I think I will just laugh. I automaticly put a lawyer in the 'bad' camp. Some lawyers prove their worthiness. (FTA Lawyer seems to be one of the good guys) So now you have to proove to me that you are a good guy. Also mind if I ask what type of lawyer you are??