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Come back to this thread in about 6 months to a year. We will see if anyone of them terrorists actually have been formally charged and tried.... I will bet they get charged with a DIFFERENT OFFENCE that does not even relate to the terror plot, OR they all will be let off. No one finds it interesting that those "Muslim Terrorists" wanted to cut the head off another MUSLIM who happened to be in the British Military... interesting eh?

Didn't Chavez attempt a coup d'etat. If Canadian's view China as favorably as they view America then they need a serious kick in the ass. Their probably just ignorant about the world outside of Canada and the US. Duruing this time of the 'Venezuelan Coup D'etat' , the United States has invaded and occupied, two countries, bombing runs on other countries around the world. But that is to spread FREEDOM right?? OH FFS people. Wake up please.

Chavez and the people of Venezula can do whatever they want with THEIR resources .. no differently than America or Canada does whatevr they want with theirs. The people of Venezula can bestow whatever powers they want to THEIR leader. The oil corporations have made more money than God has since the invasion of Iraq. Perhaps Chavez has been reading Thomas Jefferson who declared that freedom from corporations was a basic human right. It is hypocritical of you to find nothing wrong with the people of Venezuela bestowing whatever powers they want to THEIR leader and out the other side of your mouth proclaim how evil the U.S. is when they have only done the exact same thing. Not that I'm surprised, but you can't tell up from down. This might be where you are seeing it wrong. Venezuelan citizens are giving this power to Chavez. They voted on it, and said yes to it. NOT ONE SINGLE AMERICAN CITIZEN CAN OR HAS EVEN GIVEN BUSH THE POWERS HE HAS SOUGHT AND GOT. Executive Orders and just that. He makes the rules. Bush is the 'decider', just as long as he is the dictator. Ok, now your turn.

With the US Navy in the gulf, the US can be brave with being out of range. Cruise missles (rememeber the first gulf war? and the invasion of Iraq?) They really do not need ground forces to accomplish what they want, which is a blockade on Iran. Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan Persion Gulf Come out with your hands up, we got you surrounded. OH also you have an Air force as well. Many US Air bases in the gulf. Troops are needed to secure the peace after an invasion. But if you just want to cause turmoil, (or terrorise others,, hmm terrorism) you can just drop bombs, fire off some missles. A land war would be lost with Iran. But let's see how long it takes before 'no fly zones' are put into effect. I predict an attack on Iran late late this year or JAN/FEB in 2008.

Those who think there was no connection with Prescot Bush and the Nazi's, are either blind, or they don't want to admit it. (Kind of like a spouse in denial about the others faithfullness) Even when the stuff is laid out for them, it is ignored, or disregarded. They got you on this one Canadian Blue.

Hacking Democracy is a video you need to see then. You can watch in on Google Videos or Youtube. Shows all about the flaws of electronic voting, and how easy one can rig an election. If anyone recalls the fiasco that was the 2000 election and where it came down to the disgrace in Florida regarding some votes that were not even going to be counted, this video will open the eyes a little more. http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=hacking+democracy Also anyone who understands technology in any way should right away discredit the electronic voting machines. You all know how Microsoft goes on about how secure the OS is right?? Patch after security patch after security patch. I am in no doubt that someone was able to 'hack' the machines and rig a vote easily.

The U.S. is no tin pot dictator. All countries have political interest and are accounted for according to political and military clout. I find it incredible that a Canadian would express your type of view in a democratic, free country such as Canada who is so closely related to the success of American political endeavors. I find it incredible that being a Canadian had anything to do with it. It's not just a view of a Canadian, but many around the world share my view of events. Maybe I am just more observant than most, or I have the ability to read into things a little more. Then again I could be completely delusional. Meh.

Israel is not worries about an attack, for they have an open secret about their nuclear weapons. So as it would stand would be M.A.D. for both if Iran gets a nuke. I for one would love to redraw Israel's borders, and draw a new line where that 'security barrier' would go.

Bush has been doing that for the past 6 years, where the hell have you been? The Capitalistic Military Industrial Complex wants to do business with you. I live in Canada and the U.S. is an important trading partner and ally. What country do you live in? Canada, and also With the executive powers Bush has, he is one of those tin pot dictators. Along with Chavez, Putin, Jong Ill, Hussein...... Anyone who is not asleep, knows that he is a hypocrite like any leader before him. Harper is the same way here. The politicians are playing the general public for fools. That is why the have PROPAGANDA entities know to you as PUBLIC RELATIONS. That way they can filter out what gets to you. Any of this getting through to you over there?? Cool. Both Bush and Chavez seek dictoral like powers. In Venezuela, Chavez wants to take over energy sources and turn the profits over to the people. All the people. Probably through state run health care, education, giving back to the people of the country instead of those dollars going elsewhere. Bush, is in partnership with some of these energy companies (daddy is in big oil remember?) so, in the US, most legistlation favours the corporate entities. And you call it a democracy. More money goes to the corporate big wig pigs, and less and less gets back to the population in which the money is comming from. Bush does not want this nationalization of energy in Venezuela for it hurts the US's bottom dollar.

Bush has been doing that for the past 6 years, where the hell have you been? The Capitalistic Military Industrial Complex wants to do business with you.

Well, that is cool I guess. Progressive society it is then.

Iran's Air Force, to me used to be quite large and respected. When the Shah was in power, Iran bought 75 to 80 F-14 Tomcats from the US. By the late 80s reports show that Iran has canabalized a good deal of the fleet in order to keep some planes flying. The US recently (like a couple months ago) stopped all sales of parts for the F-14 to Iran. The US also retired the entire f-14 fleet as of 2006. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-0...14-tomcat_x.htm - Kind of odd to have it replaced with the F/A-18 which is weaker in all aspects compared to the F-14. Cost of operations had the final say though. But actually it paves way for the F-35 and F-22 advanced jet fighters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Repub..._Iran_Air_Force http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002554.html I am sure they had managed to get some planes from elsewhere. The Soviets, or China would have made some money from the sale of weapons to Iran. No idea on the current navy/army set up they got going. Also, remember the Shah at all? That pro-US, backed by the US dude? The Iranians have a beef with the US. I think with good damn reason.

No of course, there absolutely nothing in code refering said Government of Israel as America's Zionist Masters. You are a fraud. What is racist about that? Zionism is a movement. Also they are a group of people. I can hate the group for their actions, but like individuals of the group and have nothing really against Jewish people. Extremist Jews, I will consider Zionists. Does that make me a racist? If so, that makes you quite ignorant. Actually it seems like the Americans are using Israel as a talking point. If Israel is getting attacked, then America is being attacked. Black Dog Could be part of the propaganda too. Egging Iran on TO fight. 'Bring it on', in other words. So when Iran and the US military occupation in Iraq start at it, it will give Israel the oppourtunity to throw a few tactical strikes in Iran. The US would be able to occupy the Iranian military in order for this to happen. Possible? I think so. Read my taglines people. Read them and understand them.

Actually, the name was given so the Right Wingers have a goal. Not for the ADD left. OH it's a LONG war. Oh I see. But do we have a clear strateg? The long war will engulf the whole middle east. That is the plan. The Right need to have more foresight and vision into the whole thing. Or they could simply be lying to all of us.

Most of the Army's stuff seems to look that way as well.

That is the most rational explaination given the evidence. Muslims have been killing themselves for years in the name of some holy cause. The WTC attack was no different. Hijacking planes with box cutters was also not as hard as your might think because before 9/11 hijackers always landed the plane on the ground. This meant the passangers would have believed that sitting quietly was the safest course of action. Once the passengers figured out what was really going on they fought back and easily overwhelmed the men with box cutters. I give up then.

Like what ? You don't think what I say about the banks is true ? It's not that at all really. To me after about a year and a bit of looking into all of this and the bigger picture in which 9/11 was just a small part of. You can talk about the thermodynamicalphysics of the buildings all you want, but if you are not looking at the bigger picture and subdue the ADD tendancies for a moment it may help you with understanding the grand scheme of things. MY PROBLEM with Polynewbie and his like is they rehash the bombs thing over and over but not give any real context to the possible of 'why' there were bombs in the building. Look Polynewbie, I agree with you, but if youi want to get people to understand the WHY of it all, you need to move onto the bigger picture of it all. I will say the bankers along with elements of the government that all have large ties to main stream media (bear with me here) have something to do with it. WTC was a 'gold mine' if you will, of financial institutions (banks, investor groups, ect), government offices, well I will let this site speak for itself on the tenants of WTC. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/tenants1.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_World_Trade_Center_tenants follow the links for the other buildings. Now I know wikipedia is now considered as sketchy as for it's accuracy but this simplifies the search, and well, I guess there is no secret of who was tennants. Even the Secret Service had some offices there. Strategicaly that place would be a #1 hotspot for a possible terror attack. But not from the point of view most are used to. If it was true terrorism, would you not think that maybe a bridge, or mall or something against a civilian place? Something in the water system? Airborne contaminate. Messing with the food supply something along that nature. A work office seems possible for a terror attack. So let's begin shall we? Years ago back in the 80's there was some scandals involving some really big companies. Something was done in the government to break up large monopolistic companies and tried to create a more competative market for everyone buy giving more people a small chunk of the pie. Some of those bankers would have lost out big time. (The military industrial complex fits into this as well, for some defence contractors would need investors in order to create new military hardware and applications, investors mean large banking/financial institutions)..... So now with bankers having a smaller chunk of the pie they would also have less say in said company they are a shareholder of. Many hands in the pot tends to not be good for business in that sense. ......... So fine, it was done, large companies were chopped up. Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush Jr. Sept 11 2001, happens. ....... I suspect some shady deals were done here and there, and it end up creating a smaller band of people with something more in mind, they conspired together to influence the government by supporting Democrats as well as Republicans (Bankers know that they need to diversify their portfolio if they want to have the best turn around) You can also put a good bet on those bankers having a good say in what goes on in the think tanks they decide to invest in. Think Tanks only exist to act as lobbyists for the coporations that the bankers control anyways. I would hope that the tenants of the World Trade Center complex would have offsite and even possible off continent servers to store critical information. Anyone in IT understands that. If not many records would have been lost. Any wrong doings would have basicly been erased. Private, public and government records could have simply vanished. Not only that knowledge stored in some brains are permanently gone as well. Knowledge that could have shown the bankers involvement. I need to mention the attack on the Pentagon here now too. Bankers would have a lot of pull in the Pentagon, since the position of Secretary of Defence is a civilian not military position. I would guess there are many civilains holding imporant positions in the Pentagon. Military Industrian Complex. Money has been pouring into the Pentagon for upgrades and improvements. Fast foward to today. Have you seen corporations today? They are getting monopolistic again. Not only that, the bankers have gotten away with basicly hijacking the economy of the United States on that fatefull day. They have the most to gain from this than anyone. With that control of money you can control government on any scale. That includes policies regarding how corporations function, the environment, and even foriegn policy. They also can control what information gets to you, the person sitting in that chair reading this right now. They can control the news outlets to say what they want to say. Take a look at the news that is delivered to you these days. Notice that the names of reporters are going away to be replaced by 'some news source entity' always by some annonymous source. Government spending is out of control now as well. Guess who's cash is being spent or let's say reinvested into the private corporations in junction with an ever growing accelerating military industrial complex. Who is making the money off the war? In a way this shows to me that the Iraq War is proof that 9/11 was an inside job. But then again, some guy in a freaking cave and a walking stick managed to bribe some dudes, gave them BOX CUTTERS and managed to hijack planes and struck at the financial heart core of the United States..... all because they simply hate us?

Canadian Blue From your Wiki link. In other words. It is inconclusive. So it does not say what did cause the collapse, but it does say what was the most probable cause. IOW, the officials are not 100% sure how/why the building came down. So anyone who keeps pushing the official story is deluding themselves for the fact that the officials are not even sure about WTC 7. I will say that WTC 7 was a controlled demolition. Even the owner (rehash rehash, trying to pound it into anyones head) said they would pull the building. But that does not even throw a light switch in anyones head but the 'crazies'. If Silverstien was NOT talking about 'pull it' WTC 7. Then I wonder what he was refering to? Was that line taken out of context then? I am refering to the PBS documentary about 9/11. Wait a minute here. http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/09/silve...ic-pull-it.html ... reading it now. Interesting.

Many of them in other countries other than the United States. Those 'foreign soldiers' would be the United Nations 'Peace Keeping Force'. The proof in this is how the UN has taken control over certain areas of certain countries that are in turmoil. The funny thing is too that the US is training foreigners in urban military tactics. This will only expand as the 'war on terror' goes on. Step one is to disarm the citizens of the said country. New Orleans citizens were stripped of their guns when they were found (the proof is there go look for it), this makes it easier for the 'patrols' to do their job with their own saftey in mind. Matrial Law was declared and there is still fallout from everything that happened durning Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans. Those people who were stripped of their guns are the same people that are at risk from getting attacked from other citizens who are a little nuts and go insane during the crisis. They were the ones with arms trying to protect their homes (what was left) from would be robbers and looters. http://www.fpif.org/papers/miltrain/expansion.html (not sure how this source is but...) I will guess and say this is how the UN will eventually be doing things. Also this whole thread can be cut down to 25% and still have all the points discussed covered. Rehash, rehash, nothing real new to offer from this thread. And I am in Polynewbie's camp on this. But I disagree with many things he talks about. Planes DID hit the WTC 1,2. (bombs in the building is plausible, but a bomb on the planes themselves would have been more effective) WTC 7 WTF?? Even if you disagree with the falling of WTC 1 and 2, #7 is still very peculiar in how it fell. Remember the bombing on Oaklahoma and the Federal Building there?? Remember the damage to the building? Eventually they had to take down the building for it was not stable. But it remained standing after a good portion was blown away by a fuel bomb in a truck. Take that into account when you watch WTC 7 fall. Check out the relative damage compared to the Oaklahoma building (this may not be a fair comparison due to the difference in size of both buildings, but some similarities can be drawn). I can tell you a 767 757 or any large civilian aircraft did NOT hit the Pentagon. I don't know what did. I am SUSPECTING a smaller aircraft, or a missle of some kind. Pensylvania crash. There does not seem to be enough debris. If it all got buried in the dirt, then it should be extracted easily from the ground. Has that even been done or thought of? I am really surpised this thread is still going after my 9/11 thread got buried. (Even I gave up on telling people that things are strange about 9/11 because well.... ah never mind).

Black Dog. Does it all come down to that? What is entertaining? Or do you walk away from this board with something new to think about? That is how I look at it. Calling this all entertainment (I know that was not your intention) is outlandish to me. I'd stop by NOT posting that YOU ARE AN IDIOT.swf. anymore. That rebuttle is about as worthy as the ones you complain about. I know you are better than that Blag Dog.

I want to throw something in here. What the hell is a 'secular progressive' ?? Bill O'Reilly uses this often to describe the nutty left wingers. http://www.billoreilly.com/quiz?action=vie...nity/cwtest.jsp I have done the test, and I am a Secular Progressive. This right wing nutter is laughable. People take him seriously on everything. This is not the left here. This is the extreme right. Oh, and it prompts me to buy his book. These questions are so vague they don't really tell you anything. And the questions are loaded in a way that it really does not accomplish anything. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_Warrior OH I see what he means now. Laughable.

Isn't it the right wing that wants control of your body? Abortion and stem cells come to mind here. Actually, the left wing manipulates you to have an abortion and wants to harvest the stem cells. That's something those on the right always say. I know you don't believe that statement at all. Not to mention the real big kicker in the nuts is... the Left and the Right are ALL PLAYING YOU IDIOTS FOR FOOLS. They are all one in the same. Nothing more. Kind of like a big soap opera for all of us. We watch and react but do little to change anything. Voting for the left is a vote for the right. Vice versa. It comes down to the choice really, between a gigantic douch, and a turd sandwich.

I agree... I guess the space shuttle just stopped in mid air and then floated down to earth....didn't it? Cuz ya know...it didn't "hit" anything. OK, I was not sure but now I will vote for stupid. From Challenger and Columbia there was debris spread out over a large area. And they have more peices from one shuttle compared to the debris about the plane at the Pentagon. And they eveh had to SEARCH hard for the debris for the shuttles. And this is not even a fair comparison.

Slavik44 If you did not understand the joke, then you need to read the above. After 6 pages of comments, this and a couple others actually understood the funny. The denigrating part of that is on the government itself for being a fat bureocratic sloth like entity that accomplishes very little with the oh so short time they are in office actually doing something. Look a little deeper into the joke y'all.

I fear this more than all the above. Ignorant people who do not search out answers are eventually owned by the establishment who spits out the disinformation.