Army Guy

I did not say that, we already know the facts that he did not have a chioce to where he went when he was a young boy, but when he was 15 he was no longer under his families care and control,( in fact he had very little supervision)....he knew were the NATO soldiers were, because he spied on them, he could have gave himself up at any time....but did not....Thats what i said, ...

Actually I said it, even gave you the sources which you refused to either read or comprehend.... and he has got a free pass on many charges that were not filed..... Oh one last piont, i don't think i was replying to your post, not that it matters, you don't answer any of the questions anyways. With that being said how can you end a conversation that you were not part off.....

Well DOP your pretty Scary, just the name alone brings tears to liberal eyes.....You invoke death and destruction with every breath....you've been known to clear entire city blocks with just a thought....Hey sounds like a super hero to me, they can be scary, who in the hell wants to hang out with a super hero anyways.... i mean you voice opinions that reflect perhaps a good deal of Candians, Opinions that perhaps some are not ready to hear....But i thought thats why we all come here to debate our ideas to learn from each other, i know i have learned something from everyone i debate with , including eyeball .....but still all in all your scary...... So grab your custume and we'll head over to Eyeballs for that pork BBQ, maybe even bring a few Jewish friends, i mean it's going to be a party.... ..

it would be safe bet i would not be inviting Omar or any of his family to a BBQ, i don't think it would be a good conversation, i have nothing to say to him, don't get me wrong i don't hate him, i just hate what he stands for........nor do i want to share anything with him or his family....to me he will always be just a terrorist, nothing more.... Eyeball on the other hand i'd have you over any day, we don't agree on a whole lot which means the conversation would be interesting to say the least, and while we may not agree on anything,that and the fact i did not spend a year and a half of my life hunting you down....So I would take you up on your invition.

We as Canadians have done this forever, look at child molestation, some of these kids that were molested as children go on to become molesters themselfs....and yet we do not want them in our towns let alone as neibors....in fact i'll go out on a limb and say we don't want any harden criminals as neibors....

Your right Squid, but it has also been proven that Omar had plenty of chances to leave and stop fighting for Al Qaeda, but he chose not to ....he had plenty of chances to turn himself in to NATO forces. but did not....do we close our eyes to that ..or continue to blame his parents

So for the record Omar is not guilty of any crimes, nor should he be held responsable for any he commited under the age 18. Why is what i want to know, give me an example why he should not be held accountable, in Canadian law, inter national law , shit any law.... help me understand why? I also want to know why omar gets a free pass in all the laws he broke, and all the rights he help surpress. Because we did not fully protect him as he was a minor ?....In my eyes our Government did alot for young mr Omar, and so did the US.... I've been faulting both for a good reason, both are guilty of war crimes....and we Canadians do not have the balls to charge them with anything....they are a wart on the end of our penis, that need to be removed, to be charged here , do their time here then sent back to Afghan to face the Afghanis people for the crimes they have commited there...there is no shame in that....

Holy crap, a Cpl Infanteer makes over 50 k a year.....is that 35 k after taxes....now thats scary....that can't be much more than above min wage...

I would say that each should be judged by the cases merits or severity. Even the UN judgement on this matter still says that Children should be held accountable for their actions , However that treatment should take precedence. Why is that, if we meaning the world have extreme difficulties in bring to justice those responsable for recruiting and using child soldiers, and with child soldiers getting for the most part nothing for there actions then where is the deterence to be a child soldier. http://www.child-soldiers.org/faq.php Should child soldiers who have committed war crimes or other serious violations of human rights or humanitarian law be held to account? International human rights and child protection experts generally recognize that child soldiers are first and foremost victims of grave abuses of human rights, and that states must prioritize the prosecution of those who unlawfully recruit and use them. Child soldiers should never be prosecuted solely for their association with the armed forces or group. However, there will be cases where a child soldier was clearly in control of his or her actions, was not coerced, drugged, or forced into committing atrocities. In such cases, excluding criminal responsibility for these children may deny justice to the victims and may also not be in the child’s own best interests.

Your right Bob , i'm in the military so i do have medical coverage as soon as i get on the ground, and assumed everyone else did as well. That being said Omars brother did he have to wait to recieve medical coverage for his wounds he recieved in Afghan ? Did they have to wait to recieve any other form of assistance such as welfare, etc....

And so are the people Omar left behind, the people and legal citizens of Afghan they are serving their full sentence as well life with no chance of parole . left to pick up the pieces of their lifes as Omar lives in the lap of luxury, as he sways the weak to support his cause...."that Our government tramped on some of his rights"....And the very Canadians who had agreed to help the people of Afghan gladly forget them sweeping most of the crimes Omar has done aside to ensure that a terrorist rights are not shattered in the process..

Am i out of line, Omar has already stated he was involved in spying on NATO convoys, reporting timings and routes they traveled to a terrorist group, that is a fact Omar said it out of his own lips..... Omar built IEDs and mines fact number two, once again there is a tape of him bragging on what he did.... Omar planted those same IED's and mines again he made a tape of himself doing it....US intel reports from the area that he claimed to of planted his mines and IED's that a US military convoy had struck a group of Mines and killed serveral US servicemen around the same dates of Omars and his merry band of buddies claim. Is there a direct link sure is, is their proof that it was Omars group no, however there group was the only bomber group in the area....odds are high that it was your little man.... Omar took part in a fire fight, that seen the deaths of serveral Afghan military soldiers , who at the time knocked on the door to talk to the owners , only to be gunned down in a hail of gunfire.....thats right Omar was with that group, that gunned down those Afghanis soldiers... He took part in combat, in a land he had no stake in....He was not Afghanis, nor were his mother or father.....He was Canadian....who according to you guys has the right to do just that....to help terrorise a foreign nation, to help opress it's people, to assist a group to remain in power so that they could force their religous values and extremists laws on the masses.... Tell me Omar did not do any of these things.... So he is guilty of those crimes i've have claimed he took part in....the other crimes i mentioned i did not say he did those, but rather the group he belonged to.....and he knew they had been done, as i explained earlier on, about their news letters....He knew what was going on within his terrorist group, they could not stop bragging about....we knew because the villigers told us.... If i'm twisting the facts then Prove me wrong with a crediable source....because everything i'v said i can provide a source to you... But the facts are not want you want to hear, they don't paint boy wonder in a good light....but rather who he was, a terrorist....one that had comitted crimes him self, he knew of the other crimes and bragged them up....he wanted to kill coalition soldiers...you know those guys Ya thats right Canadian soldiers made up some of that group.....ya team.... And I'm the one that has lost credibilty by demanding ridiculous levels of punishment for crimes he didn't do. Not once in this entire post or other posts have i demanded any punishment, what i have said is that he should serve his full sentence, you know the sentence he was handed out by a court of law.....i did also say he should have been charged with all the crimes he has commited....Is that ridiculous, mean while another Canadian boy of 18 has been reported killed in Syria , another wanting to live the dream, in search of virgins and the holy land....Had we made an example of of Omar, perhaps we would not have been faced with the dozens trying to following in his foot steps.....Oh and that boy, is the same boy that was caught and convicted for terrorism in Canada, has done his 3 or 4 years, and now he is dead in syria....sounds like your justice system is working, looks like he learned his leason.... I keep mentioning this , I've already learned to forget about my pain, what interests me about young omar is that justice is served..... I've told this story already, you'll have to search through the older posts if you want the details....the 3 year old dies in an explosion, as his 17 year old handler detonates the 3 year old vest ... as we are forced to shoot him....The 17 year old later dies of his wounds he recieves in a gun battle as he ran directly into Canadian follow up forces.... This is what Afghanistan was really about....this happened all most everyday.....and those that made it happen people like Omar, need to be held responsible within our justice system....That 3 year knew he was going to die, he was crying and scared he had seen this happen before.... I get the fact that Omar is not responsable for all the death and destruction i witinessed, but he played a role in this ugly war, and yes i would like to see him pay for his crimes, if that makes me out of line then i guess your right.....but from my chair your the one out of line for taking his side regardless of his age or what you claim our government did to him....

I'm not sure what your saying here, would you want justice for your families murder or not...would you want those indivs that were found guilty to serve their max sentence, or would you rather see them out in 8 years. that was the question not if your pissed at the government for agreeing to live up to it's NATO's obligations, and assisting a country get back on it's feet after the conflict. And like i said before what of the Afghanis laws and rights, screw them as well . Good luck with holding Mommy responsible, that should have happened years ago, but we lacked the policitcal will to carry that out. Because of people like you eyeball, and their tear shedding for Omar.

I don't think it's confusing i think it should be changed....and i support that change....And i did not critize anyone , those quotes were from the links i provided. Yes lets drop the skin color bomb, i'm a racist becaue i think that dual citizenship should be changed, i personally don't care if they were purple with warts on their dicks....i don't think dual citizenship is good for the country. I have no problem if you chose to live else where, apply and if accepted move, Canada gives you that chioce...i personally think everyone should be entitled to one citizenship only.....Now if your brother returns to Canada, would he be entitled medical care, or any other plan we are taxed for...the answer is yes, The Khadrs are an example of this, they receive medical care, welfare, the whole nine yards...these plans are paid for by regular citizens who live and taxed here....that is my problem with dual citizenship....

That was taken directly of one of the many quotes i provided.I think it was this one below, or the other with the same CSIS in the title. http://www.csis-scrs...grndr08-eng.asp

No i was not refing to Maher Arar, but rather the precedence that will be set if Omar wins his case, if there is a case. Gitmo was a prison set up by the US for any US or for a time Canadian captured POW's or any PIO(persons of US interests) prisoners , but there have been hundrds of Canadian citizens that have joined the ranks of the many organizations fighting in Afghan. Omar became a POI because he could speak english, that he was Khadrs son who had close ties to Bin Ladin....if not for those reasons he would have still been lavishing in a Afghanis prison....with the rest of his buddies... Those not lucky enough to have Omars conections are doing just that....Afghans are not known for keeping very good records, or for that matter giving a shit what nationality you are from. with that said nobody can be sure if there is not any more Canadian citizens in prisons scattered across Afghan.

I have no frustrations, well none towards young Omar, what fustrates me is people like you (because we are pionting fingers right now) who stand up and defend him, who paints him as a poor young confused kid who should not be held accountable for any of his actions or crimes....When here in Canada everyone is accountable for their crimes including children. How many would be standing on your side if Omar had killed a member of your family, would you not want some form of justice to be upheld....or would you be willing to turn the other cheek because he was a child, forced to fight as you claim..would that be justice in your eyes....I don't think so.... And yet no tears for the Afghans who Omar helped surpress, bring terror to, or killed, Afghan civilians who at one time had the same rights as Omar, but they were stripped by scumbags like omar and his merry band of brothers.....But hey, he is Canadian, he is a child, we have surpress his rights,( while he surpressed others) imprisoned him,( while he imprisoned others) how dare we, the great west with all our rules....fuck the Afghis, they don't count..or do they...well Eyeball do they count.... He was a civilian non combatant, protected by the genva convention, and inter national law.....until the second he decided to pick up a weapon and work for the bad guys....then he became a target, to be hunted down and destroyed...thats what you sent us over to do...And thats what we did... But we seen the war from a different perspective one from the local Afghis side....we patroled daily into their neiborhoods talked to thousands of Afghis , trying to scratch our a living under war time conditions, trying to feed their families........we seen the little girls with their hands cut off, an old man skinned alive, left stalked out in the hot sun plus 55 Cel, to bake, we seen the little girls faces disfigured by acid, knifes, for going to school, we seen locals hung in the town square for talking to us, we seen school teachers raped, exicuted in front of the village for teaching little girls, and my favorite i seen a small boy of 3 with a sucide vest straped on to his little body, forced to make his way to our VCP(veh check piont) on his little bike with training wheels....these are not just my nightmares, but those of the local Afghans who lived with this day after day with no escape, no end of tour date, no mental health clinic to go to.... No these people also have to live with the fact that one of those scumbags that helped in doing these crimes, is locked up in a canadian prison, he has access to books, TV, all the entertainment he wants, he has a staff of workers that feed him, cloth him. instruct him, mental and medic help, and some say he has grounds to sue a government for millions.....from their eyes i'd say omar was being treated like a god.... but they don't count....They are just foreignors, foreignors that we agreed to help take back their country....thats old news lets stick our head back in the sand before someone notices.... Omar is a canadian who according to a few can do as he pleases to anyone across the glode and not be held accountable.... god bless Canadians..... He was a Canadian, fighting for a well known terrorist group, in a foreign nation which he had no conection to at all, he was bringing death and destruction to a people in a land that once again he had no connection to at all. he assisted in provide the enemy with intel on NATO convoy paterns, he assisted in building and planting mines and IED's, he took part in a fire fight that killed Afgan soldiers, and a US medic to which he confessed he threw a grenade at ,which resulted in the killing off that medic.....right off the bat he is guilty of dozens of UN war crimes, to which he has been charged with a few, including the death of a US service men....Should we forget all that, should we grant him millions because we stepped on a few of his rights.....

No but they have to build it to the border, and could be a contender to assist in building in the US....there is still other pipe lines that are being considered the one to BC, and the one into the maritimes.....

Your right on the money, we the consumer allow them to get away with it , because we think we are getting better prices for our products...or so the big companies say ....but at what cost do we allow this to happen, well fewer jobs, meaning fewer people to share the taxs with....our manufacture and industrial complex is disappearing, every thing is made in China, I think we allow it to happen because we are as greedy as they are....Canadians need to buy local, even if it is more expensive....but it takes disipline to do that.

Yes our government has offered several programs, like offering both parents time off work to be with their infants, but do not pay the full wage to cover off while they are away, not sure of the % they do cover i think it's around 75%....but they do allow almost a full year off of work plus parents can split that time off if they feel like it ...this system could be improved even further, bringing the payout to 100 % of current wage, or beyond....Like you said it has become a crisses that requires immigration to make up the short fall. Another program is the Child tax benifit, currently available to those who's income is below a certain level....this could be revamped to make it available to all Canadians or perhaps increase it's value.... Child daycare program , this is proably one of the largest cost a new family occurs during the early years, in todays enviroment the majority of parents are both working to be able to sustain a moderate living standard....in know this was a election promise years back, but have not been tracking currently, a new program that addresses this or atleast assists with these cost could make couples re think family plans.... I know that Canada has the room to expand, and that we could easily fit in millions upon millions of new immigrants but at what cost....someone said that we allow in a 1/4 of a million a year, ,

Two cases out of the hundrds that already have or are still involved in terrorism or fighting in another war. Perhaps this bill will give the law authorities more teeth, but so far it really does not change a whole lot, as for the last charge person for treason was in WWII , before that in 1864...Maybe that is why they did not go down that path. http://c2cjournal.ca/2010/03/the-rise-of-treason-and-the-decline-of-canadianbased-terror-threats/ http://c2cjournal.ca/2010/03/has-treason-run-its-course-in-canada/ In the last 25 years, our asylum system has allowed more than 700,000 people to enter Canada simply by claiming to be persecuted in their own countries. None was pre-screened for medical, criminal or security issues, and many were smuggled into the country by international criminal gangs. In 2005, citizens of 152 different countries – including states known to produce terrorists – made asylum claims. The Fraser Institute reported that of 25 suspected terrorists in Canada, 16 had entered as asylum seekers – including the notorious Ahmed Ressam, the Algerian terrorist who attempted to blow up the Los Angeles airport on the eve of the millennium http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/nwsrm/bckgrndrs/bckgrndr08-eng.asp In 2005, the respected U.S. Pew Research Center conducted a global attitude study that found that 80 per cent of Canadian Muslims identified themselves as moderates. This is a comforting figure, but on the other hand, 14 per cent of those polled identified with extremist Islam. Since the total Muslim population in Canada is approximately 750,000, the 14 per cent figure should be cause for concern. These are just a few reasons why we must consider changing our immigration policy and why it is not a good idea to have dual citizenship, and while i'm all for having your grand kids having dual citizenship, these guys in the above examples have screwed that up for them, not me it was them.... Above is another reason, 2.8 million Canadians live abroad, now granted alot of them are craving out a living overseas....but most are Canadians of convinence they enjoy having dual citizenship, but they don't want to live in Canada, they don't want to pay our taxes,or enjoy our butiful climate, and yet they can still can vote, effect our policies and lifes....they can be rescued on our dime all they got to do is call...The example above is but one, not sure if your familar with Lebanon, but it's still a war zone if compared to anything in Canada and those with dual citizenship returned instead of staying in Canada...So someone has got to ask why ? why would they apply to be a Canadian citizens if they don't want to live here....And why do we allow it ? Another question that has to be asked, is where do their loyalities lie, many Canadians have left to fight in wars in what they consider their home lands....and yet they live in Canada,to some this would not be a problem, but what if Canada is one of the nations who they are fighting, Like Omar and his merry band of brothers.... Although the term was used by others (such as Peter Worthington of the Toronto Sun) earlier during the conflict in Lebanon, it was made most prominent by posts by Garth Turner, a then Conservative MP for Halton, on his blog, and the subsequent reactions. Turner questioned the fairness of paying CAD$75,000 for each evacuee, saying, among other things, "that’s a hell of a lot of money to donate to people who do not live here, don’t pay taxes here, and may never come here again in their lives."[1] The actual cost was about $6,300 for each evacuee ($94 million for 15,000 people).[2] The National Post has asserted, that of the 15,000 evacuated, about 7,000 may have returned to Lebanon within a month of being evacuated.[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadians_of_convenience http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2013/07/13/passports-of-convenience-stir-strong-canadian-debate/ http://thechronicleherald.ca/canada/1179837-reports-ns-native-dies-in-syrian-conflict http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-18-member-killed-fighting-in-syria-1.1470879 http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syria-conflict-attracts-canadians-to-fight-on-front-line-1.1394469 http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/02/03/canadians-fighting-in-syria-could-pose-immediate-threat-to-national-security-when-they-return-csis/

Well they were invited ? those that showed up got exactly what they came for....it happens all over the world, everyday...except for westerners that think our meat supply comes in a truck....

Well perhaps your right Bud, i do not understand it very well, but i am trying to wrap my head around it. I don't see it as the only way, many other nations have addressed this problem in many other ways, one is to take those jobs like you mentioned and make the entire schooling process free, . or offer tax relief or cash incentives to grow them, you can throw immigrants at the problem all day, but in 10 years from now you'll be stuck with the same option. I'd be interested in how many jobs Canadians are not educated to do....and what the these jobs are doing about getting kids interested in them ? I can remember when the government offered tax savings or cuts for having children, worked out well as you can tell the baby boomers out number the current generation, and if memory serves me Quebec still does it....like i said their are other options, why not create a new program for the next generation, one that will encourage them to have more than the 1.5 children, but rather 3 or 4.... one of the reasons parents do not have more children is because it is very expensive, time off work due to having a child means less wages being brought in, and many more ...address some of these problems and just maybe you'll see a raise in population.....being dependent on immigrants offers a quick fix, but not the only fix....

I think, there are other options out there aside from increasing our immigration numbers. And sooner or later we are going to have to either increase our population or face reality that Candians will eventually get a new face, new culture, new everything... Well that is one of the problems we have in this country, Jobs are leaving because labour is cheaper else where, cheaper labor means higher profit margins for companies, with very little trickling down to the consumer....Now we want to bring in the cheaper labor to further eliminate these jobs nobody wants sounds like a good policy to me..sounds like the solution....are we saying that Canadians can not do these jobs? or are we telling immigrants these are the only jobs you can have....

I'm curious what is the bottom line that our nation is in a better economical place, or the race to see who can create more jobs....