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With grain/canola providing much better returns than hemp, why grow it? Because it will help the environment on a good many levels, and will become profitable. As opposed to growing genetically modified canola, that may well be killing bees, and should never be used for human consumption. Vegtable oils already make plastics. Which are just as hazardous to the environment as fossil fuel plastics. Hemp for jute, does not require herbicides.

They are all the same thing, how do you not get that?

-Umm, the forestry industry in Canada has taken a very large hit. Lumber is ridiculously cheap now. Paper is starting to go the way of the dodo, everything is done electronically now and will be done moreso in the future, take note of all the pulp and paper mills going belly up, the market is not there anymore and is slipping away. It is taking a huge hit because the Asian markets are drying up because they are using pulp from China to make paper. However, paper markets from hemp cellose in in the Americas, and Europe could be opened up, the EU will not use paper/wood products that are not environmentally certified. Moreover, getting rid of plastics will mean moving back to paprer wrapping products. Getting rid of plastics used in clothing, by re-introducing hemp fibre for clothing would on mass production scales could be acheived. Not true, did you know that the praire farmers used hemp for wind breaks and turning marginal soil into good soil, in the sand hills hills of SK, until the RCMP came and burnt them all and thrust the area even further into a dust bowl? There is lots of land available for growing hemp. Markets are created, hemp is more durable than cotton, and other clothes, and hemp would grow well in areas where cotton growing has destroyed the land. please provide proof. Fields would not have to lay fallow, they could be planted with hemp one year and grains the next. Not after start costs were paid, and our environment is more important that producing plastics. Untrue again. They are, and they are more reasons even. We are speaking of a whole restructuring of government actions and the timely implementation of growing hemp as a huge industry for, clothing, and materials, ropes, paper, CO2 sinks, diet suppliments, land reclamation, job source for displaced workers, alternate crops to maximize land use for farmers and much much more.

You're quite welcome, the time for GPI has come, well actually it is long overdue. Jack Layton has been a proponent of the GPI since his days as Toronto City councilor. And the NDP in NB/NS were very active in the creation of it. http://www.toronto.ca/sustainability/pdf/20010928.pdf

Not sure they are in trouble. It just means the Tories have not had consistent numbers for a majority win. It keeps slipping back from the crucial 40% numbers. More importantly, Ontario keeps going back and forth between Liberals and Tories in various polls from different firms. You're right about Afghanistan though. It would be tough for any government Liberal or Tory to command high numbers in government with Afghanistan overshadowing good news announcements. There is deep skepticism in all parts of the country over the mission's ultimate success. Such meagre returns for over a year of pull-no-punches Tory political efforts. Their troubles are confirmed by the only pollster who's accuracy in the last election was nothing short of spine tingling. Posters here could be right that Harper's greatest asset is Dion as Liberal leader. I subscribe to the scenario that Dion's efforts at apprenticing in opposition will eventually pay dividends in additional competence and increasingly, in popularity. That, along with Afghanistan and the environment, does not bode well for future Conservative fortunes. Good analysis, of the Harpy's failure as a leader and regarding Dion. SES, has no bias and it has been consistently correct. The CPC's failure to improve their fortunes, all things considered, show that they are but a minority of Canadians in ideology and will never be able to get a majority. Canada could long well be in for a succession of minority governments. The jockeying for majority by calling an election every few months will have to stop, or the party doing doing it, be it Liberal or CPC will suffer from voter fallout/backlash. Now that the Greens have been taken over by the Liberals, one could add their 6% to the Liberals, or half of it anyway, the other half would go to the NDP.

Why another environmental thread, are the other ones not going the way you want them to?

Good grief, we get more radiation from our air, food milk and water per year than, we do from living in a brick house according to the charts you linked to. Here is a comparison wood to bricjk, not much difference, local is more significant actually. But good try geoff.

what are feminized men? Vimy ceremonies are non-sense IMV. A waste of taxpayers dollars and a photo op for Harpy ala GW Bush's infamous air craft carrier calling the war over.

Yes, and they are on the eroding side. Live there part time. Part time in Robson Valley.

I just outlined the much bigger issue of environmental toxins that are likely to kill more of us in the next several decades than Global Warming will. Never saw it. Of course, paper containers are oh so much better for the environment.... They are, and indeed, if the paper was hemp it would be even better. This is already done in many locations without the need of government intervention. Fulll scale, needs to be done in a more timely matter, and it is investors and tax money better spent than on buying credits. Plus it will lessen the foot print of transportation costs for produce. Depends if you care about saving the polar bears or the humans. Brick and stone houses are correlated with high cancer rates due to higher levels of radiation. Unfortunately, your solution would work until we had higher rates of luekemia. Again, my environmental focus is on eliminating the toxins that are killing people today, Suzuki and the like are fighting something that may or may not happen with or without human intervention, sometime within the next unknown amount of years/decades/centuries/millenia. Living in a brick house is equivalent on average to receiving 7.5 additional x-rays per year. Not something I'd ever want to do. http://www.uihealthcare.com/topics/medical...nradiation.html Your link had nothing about this, and considering the plastics we use and other home hazards, I doubt that there would be any significant increase in cancers, and would probably be a net decrease actually. And it is radon, not radiation that people get exposed to. And I was not talking about cement blocks. Try harder geoffery, you are certainly not rebutting anything. GPI doesn't pay the bills. You can frolick in fields of clover all you want, but eventually those bills come due and the GDP or the wealth of the nation is what gives us our current standard of living. Sure it does.

Apparently, some do not know how to use, or refuse to use, google to educate themselves. Moreover, they are singularily lacking critical thinking skills. As it doesn't take much to realize, if smoke from engines and industries create huge amounts of CO2 emissions, how much more would oil wells burning do. It just makes people look silly, who are trying to say otherwise, there is too much information and science to the contrary. http://www.nationalreview.com/adler/adler032103.asp Still more at: http://prorev.com/iraqwarone.htm http://taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/cont...452q7k41351258/ http://www.albaeco.com/sdu/09/htm/main.htm

Yes, those new houses by the bridge between it and Ft George Park, on the water front may not be there long. The reall flooding problems will be happening down river in the Fraser valley, and the communities along the North Thompson before it joins the Fraser and of course the #5 hwy itself will be in jeapordy in several spots.

Bagdad is not safe enough for John McCain to get away with a market stroll photo op -- The surge only adds a frame to the horrendously ugly picture that is the occupation of Iraq There was a documentary on Discovery about it this week end, it was bleak, the only thing that is going to happen is the military industrial complex gets even more wealthy off of the tax payers, more Iraqi and Amwerican lives will be lost for nothing, but Oil and the military industrial complex's drive for more wealth and control of the planet.

Please do go to this thread there are some immediate ways we can get started. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....opic=8608&st=45

Funny I do not think there are any more important environmenmtal issues, what would you suggest they are? Well, if it is too late the billions spent trying to slow it are of no matter then are they? You can't have it both ways. If you look(ed) at the graphs you will see the spikes starting at the time of the 1st Gulf War, scientists and environmentalist warned at the time the amout of oil wells burning would increase Global Warming by CO2 emissions, and it did. However, after that the spike did not decrease, human fossil fuel consumption has increased, not decreased. As has clear cuts. Forest fires around the world have also increased CO2 emissions,and the Indonessian peat fire that started because of clear cutting rain forests also have had significant impacts. The increase in forest fires is because of the unstable weather patterns and by droungt also caused by CO2 emissions. Practical immediate solutions would be: 1. Immediate investing in hemp production and industry for paper products, this would do several positive things alone. - decrease the need for cellulose from trees, that are being clear cut for such purposes. - increase the amount of carbon sinks needed, and keeping the ones in place that we already have - provide economic sustainabilty for environmentally friendly economics - reclaim marginal and overused land by re-building top soil levels - keep top soil levels in place that may be blown away because of drought, and thereby become semis arid and arid land that is useless - create hemp fibre products that replace those made from plastics that are made from fossil fuels 2. Invest in glass making industries that would halt the over use of plastics. This would also create market industries in areas that need economic revitalization, as would hemp production. 3. Tax plastics and plastic containers and those that make them, heavily so that people are encouraged to use refillable packaging 4. Industry and governmental facilitation of dual use, or triple use industries, such as channeling steam and heat output from industry into such things as warming greenhouses in nothern climates. 5. Invest in brick manufacturing that would create a new medium for housing as opposed to wood structures. This would also cut down on clear cuts, living trees for CO2 sinks and create industry for displaced work force. It could also be done in areas where economic decline has commenced but that have some of the needed requirments for such an industry. Brick structures are also more energy conserving. 6. Change from our current GDP designation for well being to a GPI. 7. Force industry that is making huge profits from fossil fuel extraction to be environmentally safe

Because they will end up with nothing if they demand too much. The non-native majority in the country decide what the law is. If current laws give natives too much then those laws can be changed and there is nothing any native person can do about it. Nice try, not true, the government would have to outlaw any contractual agreement, and that would not happen. The only thing that could try to be done would be to change Charter Rights, and that won't happen, and even then it may not work.

Where did it all come from before when the concentration was this high? The fact is, it's unscientific to assume that the problem is man made, or to assume that we can change things by living like cavemen. It is NOT unscientific to assume the problem is man made in fact it is quite the opposite, science is proving it is man made. The most recent start to higher CO2 emissions commenced around the time of 1st Gulf War, and could be because of the massive oil well fires, which scientists back then stated would happen. Then we have clear cuts around the world taking out trees that are CO2 sinks, and we have the massive pine beetle kill that is also destroying trees, plus industrial emissions, then we have people. That is simplified and not complete example wise, but it is enough to see quite clearly that the problem is man made. Again here is a link to graphs that show when it started spiking and where the world was back 1000 years. http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/

That is my point - we could. That is why any native group seeking a settlement from the government must recognize the political realities and make sure their demands do not impose an undue burden on non-natives. Why should they recognize any political realities, they have legal contracts that remain unfullfilled. Why should they make sure their demands do not impose and undue burden on non-natives? The burden is upon non-natives, legally, and those same non-natives have imposed a undue burden upon FN's for far too long.

Not to mention all the chemicals in our food...whether to preserve them for shipping, or for longer shelf-life, or for better taste, etc.., We are saturated with chemicals. Yes, I see what you mean and yes, I guess our greenhouse emission does contribute to it. We need to approach this in a very practical manner. I shudder to think that we blow billions to satisfy Kyoto....and then, not have enough funds to maneuver around when we do really and direly need it! There is a need to change our way of living that is the very first step towards a "practical manner" and then we need to pressure our government representatives to stop practises that are compounding it. The CPC will do diddley squat, as we can see by their supporters here, and by their infamous, and useless Clean Air Act. The Liberals also did nothing, though what Dion would do if in government is unknown.

Back on topic. The troop surge is not working. At best it has now made an armed stand off possible for awhile.

Well, it is raining here today, heavily, too warm for it to be snowing on the mountains. The snow caps will be coming off faster than they were. With a 150% increase in snow pack and the consequent 92% raise above normal of the Fraser and the frantic dike building going on in the the Fraser Valley, people should be realizing the serious nature of it. IMV, the dikes will not be built/finished in time in the Fraser Valley, the run off into the North Thompson alone will bring the Fraser to higher levels than normal, say nothing of the headwaters of the Fraser itself. We have to go to the coast, in 3 weeks, and will try to go down Hwy 5, but we are concerned about how many areas will not have roads. There are 5 areas that we feel will be washed away. The flooding of the Nechako, was bad in the early 80's in Vanderhoof, so much for flood control of it. Below is a link to a site that has a couple of great graphs about the warming that has occurred. Interestly, it really started to warm in the 1990'2, which I suspect was caused by the CO2 emissions caused by the burning oil wells in the first Gulf War, much as the scientists said would happen at the time. http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/

Well, you better start getting real nervous, as I have been watching the the snow melt off the mountains peaks, draining into the Fraser and North Thompson, at a very, very fast rate over the last 2 days, and we are in a 70% chance of rain tomorrow. Yes, I see the damage every day, we had to cut down almost every pine tree on our property, as they were dead, 27 last summer, with about the same left to go this summer that have pranged through the winter. Drive through the whole Cariboo and Rocky ranges weekly to PG and, every week there are 100's more orange. 100's of millions of trees all orange, and this HAS NEVR happened before in BC's history!

If the Liberals are so weak...then why does the CPC feel the need to bash them in a TV ad every few weeks? That is a very strong point, their are those who are saying the CPC are taking a page out of Chretien's book, apparently meaning during a 'political campaign' as opposed to what they're doing outside the framework of a campaign. Look at them being more worried about making attack ads, and creating photo ops, as opposed to governing the country properly. Of course, that just makes one realize, they do not know what they are doing so, they may as well be busy doing something and smacks way too much of Bush Jr. Then, when one really looks at them making a compare to doing what Chetien did, one really gets perplexed, as Canadians heard they were going to be "different" than the Liberals. Only we find same ole, same ole...... People need to start critically thinking here, like those who say we need to rebuild our military to protect our border. Not seeming to realize just how are our borders going to be protected, while all the military and equipment is in Afghanistan getting blown up and used.

Exactly, but you are not convince those salivating for Armageddon, or who are making their own huge profits. They care only for themselves, but for different reasons. The most practical way is lower one's own environmental foot print, and then start lobbying.

Green Party 6 percent was missing, though no loss, as a fringe party their future is in dire straights. The environment will play more of a role than Afghanistan IMV. Though the military ads are not playing well either.