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That was your latest comment on the topic. Is this the explanation you were referring to ? I will not either, unless someone else is willing to admit that they cannot see where it is wrong.

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Uncle Steve wants to privatize police and prisons, that way his corporate buddies that will end up owning both can simply make more money by arresting more people.

I have illustrated the stupidity behind each of your scientific claims twice on this thread and on others - except your force diagram. Its too obvious. Anyone can see its all wrong.

No. I think your analysis proves that you have no idea what you are talking about and you are just some annonymous internet poster trying to pass yourself off as some kind of authority to get people to listen to you. Or you are with the secret police and posting non sense as some kind of attempt at psychological warfare.

If you are talking about 911 and want to prove higher temperatures than burning fuel, you could get people to see the "meteorite" as in 911Mysteries. Its a big ball of melted concrete and steel that has to be seen to be believed. You can't describe it with text adequately - you need to tell people to watch 911Mysteries to see it.

Any one that has taken grade nine physics can see your analysis is idiotic and I'm no high school teacher thats why I'm not goin to teach why that is wrong unless someone besides yourself is willing to admit they cannot see the mistake.

This is idiotic. What kind of engineer are you Riverwind ? Draw your boundaries wherever you want. I suggested the surface of the building before it collapsed.

Didn't they used to have school nurses for this sort of thing. ?

Thats what I don't understand. Don't you think the government should defend itself - or are you one of those super patriots that feel it is your duty to believe and defend what government says ?

I know you don't get it but if anyone else doesn't get it then I will explain it. Systems have been obeying the laws of thermodynamics since before a closed system was ever considered. If you need to then consider the system closed around the the standing building surface before the collapse. I think Riverwind is a psychological warfare officer. One way of conducting psyc warfare is just to keep saying stupid things to frustrate your opponent. Clearly you are very concerned about anyone questioning the official version of 911 and think everyone should just believe George Bush & Philip Zelikow.

I've shown how silly each one is. It should be obvious, but here I go again (1) & (2) Thermodynamics applies to all science including biological. All scientific processes or systems must obey the laws of thermodynamics. If a scientific explanation requires that a system break a law of thermodynamics then that explanation has to be incorrect. (3) This force analysis is wrong and if anyone wants clarification I will provide it. (4) An object cannot get hotter than the flame applied because heat flows from the hotter source to the cooler source. A flame cannot heat surroundings to be hotter than the flame. (5) Quantum mechanics falls apart for objects bigger than atoms. Thats why unified theory exists - to unify seeming contradictory thjeories of relativity and quantum mechanics. This contradiction in theory is the reason for unified theory.

How would you qualify a thread as a conspiracy - something that contradicts what is said on TV ? Or would the NAU be a conspiracy because it hasn't been mentioned on some TV stations ?

Seggie, Your response is very thought provoking and should send shivers down anyones spine that has kids.

For the record, here are some Riverwind scientific statements: (1)"The laws of Thermodynamics only apply to closed systems." (2)"Themodynamics has nothing to do with building collapses." (3)"Consider a table with four legs that is supporting a 1000kg mass. Assume the following: 1) The gravitation constant is 10 (i.e. 1000kg requires a 10000N force to keep it stable) 2) Each leg can support 4000N - if the force exceeds this it will collapse. 3) Each leg is attached to the ground and the table top is rigid. In a normal situation each leg will have a 2500N force acting on it - well within its capabilities with room to spare. Assume a catastrophic event occurs that exposes the legs to fire that gradually weakens two of the legs. Assume the fire does not act on each leg equally. Eventually, one leg weakens to the point where it cannot support the 2500N force and collapses. At this point the weight will shift instantaneously to the other 3 legs because the structure is rigid and attached to the ground. This means that each leg will now have 3333N of force acting on it. Still within the tolerances of the undamaged legs which means the structure should remain standing." (4)"Heat is nothing more than energy. When something burns it releases energy. The amount of heat generated by something burning depends on the substance being burned, however, once the heat is created it has to go somewhere. If this heat is trapped for some reason then this energy can accumulate in a location and theoretically cause the temperature to rise higher than the temperature of the flame." (5)"Quantum mechanics is the theoretical underpinning for all matter" For the record, I wouldn't trust anything Riverwind says about science. For the record, what kind of engineer are you Riverwind ?

Bush: Be Wary of 'Abnormal Behavior' Be Wary Bush wants students to call the authorities regarding any suspicious behaviour. Does anyone besides me get whats wrong with this ?

One cannot help but think they needed a reason to bring this to the next level. Its just another element of control needed by the police state to implement the Technotronic Era "The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values." -Zbigniew Brzezinski You need gun control to allow this to become reality. You need mass shootings to get gun control. Has anyone seen the science fiction movie Minority Report with Tom Cruise ?

They operate on inceduliuty and the lawyer actually laughed at me when I said I would report it. The response was "no one will believe you ha ha ha". This is why I have no problem believing that on winter and summer solistice and halloween most of the kids go missing and end up being the subject of satanic rituals. The whole NWO operates on incdreduluity and RGM Regulating Group Mind. Somehow 86 % of the population can be made to believe anything, no matter how rediculous but can never believe anything that goes against convention. Government works because this psychological affect outlined by John McMurty PhD, FRSC in a paper entitled Understanding 911 and The 911 Wars. He uses 911 as an example to explain the psychological phenomenon of RGM. This paper is posted on the Science For Peace University Of Toronto website. Its only 30 pages and easily read.

Of all the sites, the very best is Jim Hoffmans sites www.911Research.net & wtc7.net. It gets accolades from the structural engineers, physicists, other engineers as well as other serious investigators (coincidences, defence stand down, PNAC, globalism) of 911. It is the reference site of the 911 truth movement. If has easy to follow slide shows that explain basic science and what the NIST & FEMA report say. The site makes things clear to even the most unscientific people.

I thought the term Death & taxes was going to be a graph depicting the destruction of the economy. Every year the government spends a more disproportional amount to what it has. It also steals almost the same amount and will not answer to where that money has gone. On Sept 10 2001 this amount stolen was 2.3 trillion now it is over 3.5 trillion dollars. ( a trillion dolars is enough for 166 fully equiped nuclear powered aircraft carriers) The economic system is designed to collapse. Its inevitable. Income tax will keep going up while public services keep going down. This is because private banks finance the government with money they create from nothing, Its all by design, the banks own the country and they want to wreck it to turn it into a paradise for themselves and a few friends managed by technology and slaves. All you have to do is look at trends and you can see it quite plainly. The video Money As Debt is posted on google - its a 47 minute cartoon that explains it quite nicely. google "Money As Debt video" Things will stay the way they are until we have people that can break out of the corporate created mind control and think objectively and draw simple conclusions from fact.

My threads are nothing but evidence, most of which is right in front of you but you and others keep repeating the above mantra in hopes that people will believe it. The most simple minded explanation for events is not usually the most correct because it fails to explain the evidence. There is piles of evidence of very high temps during the wtc collapses which means your official version falls to pieces - never mind the fact that such orderly and expedient collapses are only possible through controlled demolitions. Anyone can see that wtc1 & wtc2 didn't collapse as a result of structural failure - it was a continuous explosion that rolled down the height of the building ina very controlled manner distributing debris symetrically about its footprint.

ScottSA, speaking of avoidance you haven't yet explained the advantages associated with giving private bankiners billions of dollars in tax money for interest while they provide nothing in return. You sort of avoided that in the other thread.

It shows that your world view is unrealistic. It may get you to question how many times you can be lied to before your trust is no longer automatic. There is piles of evidence showing high temperatures at the scene. If I showed you proof that very high temperatures were involved in the collapse would it make any difference. ? The movie 911 Mysteries: Part 1 Demolition shows lots of evidence of very high temperatures. You have to watch the movie to see the evidence. wtc7 & The section of the Pentagon had to be destroyed because these are the places where the info was being held for the World Com, missing 2.3 trillion dollars, etc were so now the investigations into these can be stopped as well. The section of the pentagon that was hit had all the investigators for the missing money killed except one who was heavily promoted to shut up. See Seven Hours In September for details. The destruction of wtc1 & wtc2 were the symbolism necessary to mobilize for war - Oklahoma was not enough to get the public to usher in the police state so something bigger was needed. USA is over there to take over so they can put a pipeline acroos the country linking Europe to Iran and control the natural gas that Europe desperately needs and to restore the Opium trade that it needs to finance black ops. You can look at the Opium statistics on the UN site and see that the Taliban almost completely destroyed the Opium crops just before we invaded and that Opium trade has been restored to normal. Do I need to explain to you that the British Empire was built on the Opium trade ? (British East India Company - didn't really just sell tea. As far as strapping wtc7 and the others with bombs, you may say unlikely but lots of intelligence experts dissagree with you. look up "911 Patriots" to gets lists of generals, majors, ex FBI heads, ex CIA heads, senators, engineers, ex defense ministers, etc that think this was possible. Annonymous experts on the internet seen to think 10,000 people would have to be in on it. Funny that so many Americans though Saddam was working with AlQuaeda and Usama back then. That was why America had to go to war - we don't want the "...mushroom cloud..." Rice & the WMD Twins.

You don't understand. The crimes that were committed against me were done so in public (extortion, threats, promise of no habeus corpus, royal screwing), and I had a witness come up and give me his business card afterwards. The lawyer took the business card out of my hands, laughed and said he couldn't do anything - he was just a high level public servant - older guy, manager of something. I had to smash that lawyers hand against the table to get the witnesses card back. I later contacted the witness and he explained that he contacted his lawyer and that because there was a lawyer that commited the crimes he should stay out of it so I got twice from you lawyers. The lawyer that committed the crimes can go after the witness. This is why I absolutely hate lawyers and its why I think the whole legal profession is just rotten with corruption. I similar things have happened to others. Not all lawyers are lying criminals but if you want to be a lying criminal and you can afford law school, I would say that that is definetly the path to take. I explained all this to the law society but do you think the law society would pick up the phone and call the other witness that was there and that had signed a contract that the lawyer denied the existance of and extorted me over ? - no way. They are too important and they don't do investigations. You see we public are just "specks" to the legal profession and anything and everything goes with lawyers when they choose to screw the public. You need to lay down almost 6 figures to even file a criminal complaint against a lawyer - it doesn't matter if you have witnesses because the legal profession will just intimidate those to protect their own.

I really wish you guys would look at the evidence. I would answer the above post by cybercoma but it has so little to do with the evidence, why bother ? Melted pools of steel have been reported by eyewitnesses, there are pictures that show melted metal and 100+ other pieces of evidence, but its a waste of time looking at this because the government that steals trillions of dollars from tax payers, lets the banks enslave its own citizens, lies about WMD's all the time, starts illegal wars & tortures people would never kill 3000 of its own citizens to make money from a war where its aditted that 600,000 people have been killed already. Governments never go corrupt and turn on their own citizens, that is crazy. Just because it happens all the time in history they would never do that to us. Movies like 911Mysteries & Terrorstorm are not from the corporate mainstream media and they go against government therefore they can't be true.