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Many of us would be shot on our first visit. I'd rather deal with the Sopranos than the lawyers. They are likely more honest and a heck of a lot cheaper. Plus is is the chance of them getting busted for their crimes where there is none with lawyers.

If thats the cae its no worse than the legal profession and courts and the face they present to us, being "noble honerable & distinguished" is a bold faced lie. If anything they are exactly the opposite.

I don't think financing with government created money instead of privately created money actually has a downside. Any of the downsides provided by politicians as examples can easily be shown to be rediculous. Using government created money does not cause inflation and more than banker created money does. The fact is that banks control governments and you could read John Kenneth Galbraith's book called Money to learn this. Thats why governments keep using private money for financing. You do not understand much of the science in the 911 thread or probably why all of Riverwinds scientific statements are so blatently wrong as to be considered foolish. I have quoted enough physicists and structural and mechanical engineers to make make my point clear. You have nothing to dispute my points other than your own opinions because neither the NIST report or the FEMA reports back your opinions with any kind of investigative result. All of your linked experts have different opinions that have been shown to be irrational using simple science.

I've studied economics and I have read a fair amount on it in my spare time. I ahve also read a fair amount on banking. You are saying that giving private bankers billions every year benefits us. Thats like saying 2+2 = 5. If you think this is a benefit then it must benefit you to send me money in return for nothing. Perhaps you will become richer. Actually I have read several books on the topic, listened to many experts on radio shows plus personally spoken to economists with many years of experience and I think the movie sums things up quite nicely and gives a complete logical picture of the situation. This movie is very well respected and regarded as correct by many people. I like it because it is simple, complete and can be viewed in 50 minutes. Its the ideal tool to wake people up and lead them to understand the problem. The solutions are not so simple and thats why I read more - to try and understand the various solutions and their possible negative affects on the economy.

Do you believe the corporate media that is entirely owned by a few companies who benefit from war & destruction and the neocons who have already stolen over 1 trillion dollars and refuse to answer for it ? - when their wars are illegal ? Of course I believe what Global Research has to say. They have no reason to lie. Governments going corrupt is nothing new. It happens all through history. The best sign is a great big gap between the poor and the rich in a society. Falso flag operations are admitted years later, Iran overthrown in the 50's, the USS Liberty, the attack on PH (was MIHOP). Its all fact.

How someone can say that sending wealthy private bankers billions in interest in return for absolutely nothing benefits the economy completely escapes me.

You should watch the movie. You don't understand how the banks work to say this. Canada got away from the private banks after ww2 and pulled itself out of debt very rapidly, our country was doing very well until the mid 70's when Trudeau changed the way gov is financed. Now we are in an upward spiralling debt that will cost us more and more every year in taxes as we are de industrialized. See the ads for colleges, now its for police programs instead of productive work such as technology.

You will never ever see a documentary like this one on mainstream media and the topic will never be seen in mainstream papers. You won't learn about money creation in public education systems as part of the cirriculum. The Federal Reserve Act was a conspiracy and the formulation and voting in of this act was done on the sly, big time. People that like how our banks work and how our countries are financed don't understand it or may enjoy burning themselves or hitting themselves with a hammer on weekends when away from public view or just be paid off government apologists. There is nothing good about any of it. It works against public interest in every way. We have it because so few people understand it. I believe this can change with alternative media and well done videos such as Money As Debt.

There may be 10,000 Moslems in Iraq but here are your terrorists: The two British operatives, arrested by Basra police and later freed by a British military operation, were identified by the BBC as “members of the SAS elite special forces” Global Research / Dr. Elias Akleh These guys were dressed as Arabs. Lots of stuff like this going on to turn the sides against each other and divide the country into three regions.

One the globalists have got their gun laws in place they will start shipping in guns with their drugs so the criminals get them. Then we can be law abiding citizens and all ine up to be shot. All you have to do is educate yourself on this "war on drugs" to know that its the governments bringing drugs in.

Thats the Googled definition but what is the legal definition in Canada ? What does Crown Priviledge allow Canadian lawyers to get away with ? If you are questioned wrt your role in a crime can you use crown priviledge to get out of it and avoid any responsibility ? I know from dealing with the Law Society Of Upper Canada and many lawyers that lawyers here have a different, magical definition of extortion that is different from what is on google. I'm assuming that its very hard to file a criminal complaint against a lawyer because no one wants to take legal responsibility for it which is why you must be prepared to lay down 6 figures and hire a lawyer even to file a criminal complaint. I assume that the lawyer can invoke crown priviledge, absolving themselves of any responsibility for the crimes committed then sue which ever lawyer filed the complaint for lack of being able to prove the case and therefore false arrest.

People are not educated to the realities of banking and monetary reform. Its hidden in plain sight. True, but governments can be separated from private banking and private bankers can be accountable instead of having governments bail them out and they can be restricted from playing major roles in other aspects of society, using their activities as writeoffs and to control the public in their own interest. They can be restricted from participating in politics - no more Rockefeller Republicans and Rockefeller Democrats as we have now. There is no politics, only a banker sponsored dog & pony show. Governments can use GCM - Government Created Money instead of BCM - banker controlled money.

I don't know about the bible, but certainly unimaginable horror is a short way down the road. It will make this and things like the Spainish Inquistion seem like a side show. Thats guarenteed by two facts (1) We don't make enough food to eat here (2) The countries are in fact going broke. Not only are politicians borrowing money for more war like there is no tomorrow they are also stealing it as well. They are also buying estates in other countries. Well over 1 trillion dollars has dissapeared since 9/11. Thats enough to buy over 150 fully equiped nuclear powered aircraft carriers at 6 billion a piece. This can only go on for so long. The people of this country and Canada are stupid beyond believeability because this is allowed to go on. When Cheney and Bush are questioned about this they just say we don't have a right to know. We in Canada are joining them. The North American Union is not a conspiracy theory A giant part of Torontos police budget is a black budget - they are turning into the CIA North. We know Haliburton is building detention centers all over the continent and we know our governments have a real penchant for torturing people even when they have no evidence against them. This whole shootiong thing was likely a government op and it will be used to take everyones guns away and distract us further from what is really going on.

Fractional Reserve banking is a very powerful tool, rather than used in exclusively private interests its powers can be turned to work for everyone. This is how: (1) Governments borrow from government banks and pay very low interest on the money. In Canada this would be the Bank Of Canada. Canada used to borrow half its money from itself until Trudeau (Club Of Rome) got into power. That was whn Canada started going downhill. It wasn't the social programs. See my comment on this below*. In this case the interest is only about 0.5 % - 1% - enough to cover costs. (2) Private banks continue to exist and to lend money to the public, but the process of money creation is in the open and taxes are paid at every step of the way. This prevents bankers from buying politicians and controlling education,media, medecine, law & culture the way they do now. Bankers are prevented from controlling politicians and thus starting wars to implement their banks in other countries. Countries like Iran. Libya, Syria, do not have our thugs owning their banks. This is not easy to implement, the first step it to have an educated populace. In the past presidents have always been assassinated for taking power away from the banks. Look into any assassination closely enough and you will find monetary policy and a banker. Jackson has "I Killed The Banks" on his tombstone. Before the Federal Reserve took over in 1913, the US gov had a dept of Monetary Education. We live in a unique time in history to reverse things - the popularity of the internet can make it so that almost everyone can see this movie. Its much more important than Loose Change and look how many people have seen that. 911 has opened many eyes. There are many advocates of the gold standard, Greenspan was one of them but there are some practical problems in implementing the gold standard - the true cost of borrowing money is around 30 % and therefore under the gold standard power just changes from the bankers to the property owners since no one can afford to buy a house. Fractional reserve banking is a way of giving everyone a chance to have a stake in the country. *Its important to know that when politicians are asked about this they always give the same reponse - government controlled banks would cause too much inflation - banking must remain in private hands. The private bankers were behind the destriction and KAOS of private banking before 1913. They practised economic terrorism to get people to demand new banking system and thats how the Fed came into existance. An excellent movie on banking is "The Money Masters" (free on google video) and that shows the history of this. The Federal Reserve Act is unconstitutional and was signed into law just before Xmas 1913 when most members had gone home from the holidays - shades of Bush and congress working at midnight to sign laws into existence. This issue is far more important than anything else - suppose global warming was real - how well has it been managed up until now ? Suppose it is false - how much have we been lied to up until now ? What can you do ? Simple: Convince your friends that they need to watch Money As Debt and tell them to tell their friends. Buy copies, pass them around - I did this with The Money Masters. Next time a charity calls you for money, say NO and use the money to buy Money As Debt DVD's to pass around.

ScottSA, you are dumber than a post and have the arrogance of a king. When are you going to stop polluting this forum with your nonsense and ignorance ?

Figleaf, grab your text that you want to quote by highlighting with the mouse, then click the +quote button and paste into your message. Its not how I use it but I think that will work

FTA, what is "crown priviledge" in the Canadian legal system ?

I've been told that you lawyers are a representative of the crown. I've also seen lawyers laugh about how corrupt they are. I'm not the first person to come along that is highly suspicious of the Canadian legal profession. I have met quite a few that share my views and have had similar experiences with the self governing bodies of lawyers. In my engineering class, the final year had a course in ethics. The lawyer that taught it started talking about how noble, honorable and distinguished he was for being a lawyer. One person got up and left in disgust and he had to spend 1/2 hour dealing with the rest of the class members that distrusted the profession as much as I do now - I didn't then and didn't know what the fuss was about. I do now. No wonder The Wind In The Willows has the Evil Weasels as the evil force to overcome for the main characters. I was recently reminded of that great book I read in grade eight.

Money is not created the way accountants will sometimes tell you it is. Its a carefully guarded secret and you will never see a documentary like this on CNN or any TV station. I would be very surprised if public broadcasting companies could get away with showing this. This is THE BIG SECRET.

Excellent observation

Money As Debt, a 47 minute cartoon This is the most important lesson in everyones life. Knowing where a dollar comes from is as important as knowing where babies come from before you go on your first date. How many will bother. I think this is the best movie on banking ever made. Thoughts ? The parties that stand for monetary reform in Canada are: (1)The Canadian Action Party (2)The Libertarian Party (3)The Heritage Party The mainstream parties will never get involved with this because they are banker controlled parties. Being a monetary reformist, I would say that the Canadian Action Party has the most evolved position on this as well as advisors that have a very clear understading of the problem and its possible solutions. This idea must spread to the USA and all over the world to develop a public consciousness of the problem. Any country that wants to have its own banks would be declared a terrorist nation and subsequently bombed by the USA, they must change first.

If everyone could learn about what the monetary Reform movement is then this problem could almost go away completely. Imagine if you didn't have to pay income tax. You should not have to pay income tax and if that were the case the country could easily afford this and decide if its necessary instead of unanswerable private bankers making the decisions while an uninformed public pays the tax. Money As Debt 47 minute cartoon explains this Now if everyone could take 47 minutes and watch this video we could all be far better off.

If the gun ban wasn't in place I doubt every student would be walking around with Desert Storm handguns in their back packs. But someone probably would have had a trench gun somewhere and put a stop to it before 32 people got killed. To bad they were students instead of lawyers.

There was a gun ban on campus, something the controlled news doesn't mention. Had others had guns around someone would have maybe shot this guy and prevented the massacre. Knowledge of a well armed citizenry would prevent people from even considering this type of action as their frustration builds.

We are getting 120 tanks for our "peacekeeping" efforts in Afghanistan. Since when does this not mean war ?