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This is more difficult than it seems according to the Pilots For 911 Truth. The impossibility comes into play with the Pentagon crash. You must be getting really frustrated ScottSA. The truth about things is getting out, whether you like it or not. I don't know how much the Penthouse Pentagon is paying you for this but you are no good at it and they should be getting a refund.

Four Hired Guns in an Armored Truck, Bullets Flying, and a Pickup and a Taxi Brought to a Halt. Who Did the Shooting and Why? This is the empire. This kind of thing is allowed. I've seen YTube video's of a contractor driving down an Iraq road shooting at other cars for fun.

Wind has the same affect on a moving aircraft relative to its ability to hit a sitting target that motion of the target has. We don't know what the wind was at higher altitudes but it is always there. I doubt he is reading this, or has anything to say about it. You should be kicked off this forum I think. Anyone can watch the videos and determine this for themselves if there was any order to the event. The fact that the buildings collapsed straight down and the debris was thrown symmetrically around the building footprint shows an orderly nature to the event.

Actually they normally missed or got shot down. They were not an affective weapon - they were a weapon created out of desperation.

Riverwind, mind giving a page number on the above document ? The aspect of 911 that proves it was an inside job is the expedient and orderly manner in which the buildings collapsed. NIST does not investigate this or the sebsequent total destruction of the buildings. I don't consider the NIST reporet even relevant to the critical aspect of 911, thats why it can be fairly characterized as a white elephant.

I wonder if the Pentagon Discovery Channel will show that OKC was an inside job.

The day I can buy a telescope and see that flag on the moon with my own eyes I will believe the moon landing took place. Until then I will assume the moon landing is like everything else such as the Lusitania, Pearl Harbour & 9/11. ...USS Liberty, WMD's in Iraq, Babies in the Inqubators, Our money system, E voting, terrorists....

That makes it sound like you have read the NIST report. You haven't, few people have. Based on what ? I thought they would - I mean I my chip design course they would have. It certainly makes sense that these sub circuits would behave as the chip if that it the way this is done, which I do not believe it is. I think I was right by calling you a liar. You didn't read that two foot high stacked report. Even if you did read the entire NIST report you do not have the scientific knowledge to draw conclusions from it as you have shown in your past scientific statements that you really have no idea about what you are talking about.

No Jerry. The business I created runs itself and requires almost no effort from me. I read and research the big conspiracy and banks all day long. Thats why when I post I know what I am talking about and can back up what I say with references.

I don't know if the moon landing was faked or not. I haven't investigated it, but generally I don't believe anything until the government denies it so I'm inclined to believe it was faked but for anyone that is really interested there is "The Moon Movie" and the French space program. Thats where I would look if I was more interested. I have always wondered why there were no stars in the background of these moon shots. No clouds on the moon to block the stars. I can't imagine the people that run the USA not faking the whole thing and pocketing the 39 + billion dollars. They could have a big ceremony and tell everyone they need to divert the 39 billion dollars into secret accounts to fight the godless communists and for going along everyone gets a gold star for keeping quiet. Spill the beans and we send your kids to one of our brothels. Can't you see the whole system is corrupt just based on the (now) 3.5 trillion dollars missing ? What if you had you buddy over then learned he stole ten bucks out of your house. Would you trust him again or believe anything he said ?

These military pilots that had changed to flying airliners said that many tried it 10 times and couldn't get it. The instructor tried it 10 times and got it on the ninth. Its a little too odd that the plane killed most of the investigators that were looking into the 2.3 trillion dollars that were missing. Dick Cheney & George Bush got real lucky with this crash. That money missing is no longer being investigated. The one investigator that didn't get killed got big promotions. The plane hit exactly where they were working. There is also some new info about the Pentagon crash on PrisonPlanet.com - secondary explosions. I would try to make a case for that evidence supporting what is in Seven Hours In September if I had more ineterest in what happened at the Pentagon. I'm not particularly interested in the Pentagon or Pennyslvania crashes because the NY crashes show it was an inside job.

Real moon landing = 40 billion dollars cost and no profit Fake Moon Landing = 10 million cost + 39.99 billion profit. Its that simple. What is on the moon that anyone would want ? In NY Times or Washington post there was an article about the French wanting to go to the moon about a year ago. They were first going to put a test craft up to make sure the moon wasn't made of powder and their landing craft wouldn't sink into it and dissapear. If the Americans already landed on the rock, why build this test space craft ? I haven't followed it but if you are curious you may want to look into the French space program.

If we know points on the flight path and speeds then the possibility of a plane being able to fly a certain path without stalling may be proven to be impossible. I don't know if thats possible here or not. Perhaps someone has done it. I saw wtc7, wtc1 & wtc2 collapse so I know 911 was an inside job from only that. Everything else is secondary.

Obviously ScottSA is a holocaust denier because that would have been a giant conspiracy if it happened.

When it comes to flight paths, g forces and stall speeds and angles I can tell whether an aircraft could follow a given flight path from the numbers. I bet you could not.

From the article: "With many Americans (including academics and former top U.S. government officials) now questioning even the physical facts of 9/11 and seriously disputing the "militant Islam" spin, with the media more brain-dead than it's been in our lifetimes, now is not the time for jingoism and blind faith in the likes of Cheney, George W. Bush and Robert Gates. "

I see. So these NIST tests were not done to verify the plausibility of the official version. I think NIST is full of double speak and Hoffmans excellent interviews on GunsandButter.net lays this out quite clearly. Its hard for indiciduals to get into the particulars of the NIST report. It stacks 2 feet high and according to those that have read it, designed to confuse rather than to clarify - which was probably why they hired Philip Zelikow and almost the same set of engineers that investigated the Oklahoma bombing, and disposed of the evidence rather than let the FAA and fire authorities do the investigation and letting them examine the actual evidence.

I don't believe that an airliner could be flown in a 6 G spiral at 500 miles per hour. If it could be it would not be easy. (or whetever the exact requirements were - I forget the exact G number & speed). The idea that wtc7 came down as a result of controlled demolition has been laughed at in pubs, and on the internet as well as other places. I have heard engineers say they believed the official version and I have heard them defend it and make up facts to fill in the empty spaces to defend it. The fact is that it isn't possible. I don't think ameteur pilots could guide a plane into wtc1 & wtc2. 011 Pilots for Truth are heroic in admitting what they say, but the truth movement does not depend on them anyways. We have wtc 7.

Winnipeg Sun: War On Terror Looks Like a Fraud by John Gleeson, editor. He says it looks like 911 was an inside job and the war on terror has more to do with the goals of American dominance laid out by PNAC (but doesn't outright mention PNAC for some reason) So 911 conspiacy theories are getting into mainstream media. Oh Oh.

You don't have to read threads about shady international bankers, the secret government, kiddie brothels, and about 911 being an inside job. If they bother you so much why do you participate ? Methinks thou doth protest too much.

Lots of other refenerences to that being molten steel plus it looks like molten steel. If you need to believe its something else then don't let my comments get in your way. But we know burning fuel isn't responsible for it and this photo was taken weeks later. The ejections of matter that big and heavy shows explosives. Again don't let me stop you from trying to imagine those big chunks of building were ejected by some other reason. The official explanation doens't explain chunks being ejected upward and outward. What contradiction ? The professor of structural engineering merely said what was obvious - that wtc7 was demolished by controlled demolition. Anyone can plainly see that from the video. If you actually read Pilots For 911 Truth you will find pilots that have each flown a variety of aircraft, from fighters to jet airliners. You keep saying Hoffman misrepresents the NIST report. You can't say where and I don't believe you.

exactly, how ?

Wow. What an astounding piece of reasoning. I wonder what kind of genius came up with that. Maybe Einstein is still alive..

Evidence for CD (PDF). See last page showing red hot metal being taken from the ground weeks after the collapse. Leslie Robertson, the Chief Structural Engineer for the Twin Towers, said: "As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running" 911 References The color of the stuff in the above photo shows it was steel. Videos make this pretty obvious. The building is being blown apart from the top down. Lots of matter was being ejected for the explosions - it doesn't matter how much. You can call it pancaking if you want. wtc7 collapsed in 6.5 seconds and the destruction was total. If wtc7 was demolished and wtc1 & wtc2 came down as a result of a plane crash then (1) Its doesn't change things much (2) Its highly unlikely for one building to have been demolished while two others collapsed straight down into themselves through themselves instead of tipping over and being totally destroyed- as a result of accident. If wtc7 could be wired for bombs so could wtc1 & wtc2. There are lots of military pilots that have actually run the sims of the Pentagon and said its nearly impossible. They say it would be difficult to fly the plane into the wtc buildings as well. See Pilots For 911 Truth. These pilots are military pilot instructors, F22 instructors and naval aviators. This annonymous poster on the internet that you quote believes everything gov says and has no more knowledge about automatics systems for aircraft control than you or I do. What I know about the NIST report I learned from Hoffman in his interviews on GunsandButter.net. Do you think Hoffman and his fellow "truthies" should not be trusted because they are just peace mongers whos friends who got him this job are making billions of dollars off this peace ? Do you think Hoffman had something to do with the 2.3 trillion dollars that is missing from the Pentagon ? Do you think that Philip Zelikow (a propogandist) is maybe working with Hoffman to help him develop this propoganda after he played a major role in the government created NIST report? Why do you think there were no qualified forensic scientists working on the NIST report ? Why do you think they needed a professional propogandist to direct the creation of what us conspiracy theorists call the "9/11 Omission Comission" report ?

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