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I‘m not an expert at these things and I’m not a fan of HFC’s, but I did run across this: ”Another advantage is hydrogen’s energy density. Diesel has an energy density of 45.5 megajoules per kilogram (MJ/kg), slightly lower than gasoline, which has an energy density of 45.8 MJ/kg. By contrast, hydrogen has an energy density of approximately 120 MJ/kg, almost three times more than diesel or gasoline. In electrical terms, the energy density of hydrogen is equal to 33.6 kWh of usable energy per kg, versus diesel which only holds about 12–14 kWh per kg. What this really means is that 1 kg of hydrogen, used in a fuel cell to power an electric motor, contains approximately the same energy as a gallon of diesel. ” https://rmi.org/run-on-less-with-hydrogen-fuel-cells/

I love how Republicans seek out bullshit nonsense PAC-funded website full of lies instead of seeking actual facts. That website you’re citing is run by a man with a PhD in History. WTF does he know about climate science? Absolutely nothing. There is nothing scientific about that website; its purpose is to publish anti climate change lies. Why are you allergic to plain facts and the truth? If you give a damn about anything, then go to noaa.gov. They publish the actual data on climate and on hurricanes and the reach of the polar ice caps and all that. Actual data, not some oil industry, Koch brothers funded nonsense. Examples: “Over the past 15 years (2005-2019), there have been 156 separate billion-dollar weather or climate disasters in the U.S that have cost a combined $1.16 trillion in damages.” https://www.noaa.gov/news/us-sweltered-through-third-hottest-summer-on-record https://www.noaa.gov/explainers/understanding-climate-normals https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/51c41fd3f78c4939a28b016e0ddb5109

Sure. Anyone who breaks the law should be prosecuted. Clinton got prosecuted for perjury, while he was in office. Then Trump’s AG said a President can’t be prosecuted of a crime while in office… uh???

We would have no ozone layer and we may all be dead now if CFC’s had not been banned.

Al Gore doesn’t own a private jet.

I certainly hope not. My point is that regardless of your opinion about climate change, renewable energy is the future. Those who think EV’s aren’t the future need only look Market cap of Ford, GM and Tesla. The stock market certainly believes in EV’s

I don’t think dynamite is the solution to imperfect.

The goal is to develop more renewable sources of electricity generation, and to transition to electric cars. There is no foreseeable future of zero carbon emission, nor do we need to achieve that. Personally, I think wind is the best solution. But Florida, California and other southern states can take more advantage of solar, which is probably more resilient to hurricanes, for instance.

What does that mean, since one is liquid and the other is a gas?

Ok, so I looked it up and they do use REM’s in these turbines. They also use a lot of copper, which we mine in Indiana. China has REM’s because they invested in developing their refining. The US can find supplies as well. I’m fact, Biden just signed an order setting aside $30 million to research and secure domestic REM supply chains. It’s only a problem if we don’t deal with the problem.

People in Florida are paying for it right now.

Nonetheless… rotor, stator.

And it ignores the fact that there are causes of CO2 emissions we can control, and causes which we cannot control.

Your response was very light on fact. The West is already pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into the coffers of despotic Arab nations. The West will become impoverished if our costs of power production exceed those of other nations. Since the technological shift to renewables is in full swing, if we allow oil and coal companies to keep us in the dark, we will literally be in the dark. Denmark? How about Iowa? Iowa generates 57% of its total electricity from wind. China? Can you show us any evidence that China is a dominant windmill supplier? As far as I know, the rotor/stator assemblies in wind turbines are conventional and don’t rely on rare earth metals. And, AGAIN, an electrical generator is an electrical generator. Unless it’s solar, it uses a rotor and a stator. It can be geothermal, hydro, nuclear, coal, gas, wind… rotor and stator. In all of them. So don’t give us this China crap. You don’t know that the hell you’re talking about. You’re countering fact with your imagination. Earth itself doesn’t care about climate change. Earth will be fine. And so will the cockroaches. But humanity relies on food. The food is grown in fields. The fields rely upon sunlight and rain. Disrupt that balance and people will die. People also live close to water. I realize that you can barely read, but there’s a Cat 4-5 hurricane being unleashed on Florida as we speak. So we will spend this money, either by switching over our electric generation and car propulsion, or by rebuilding cities over and over and over, because boneheads like you are just too dumb to understand simple scientific principles which you’ve been told about for fifty years.

Where I live is none of your business, but Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan both lived in California, so I don’t see any correlation between living in California and political philosophy. California has far more Trump voters than Wyoming and Montana.

Precisely so. Petroleum is a dinosaur. We won’t be using it in fifty years. So is America going to be dependent on China for energy or will other nations become dependent upon America? That’s the only question.

He has never run for or held any public office.

Al Gore got wealthy because after he lost to Bush, he joined the Board of Directors of a then-failing computer company called Apple. They paid him in stock, and his shares reached a value of over $300 million.

It does not matter whether climate change is happening, moving to alternative energy is happening. Do you think America will be better off if the leaders in alternative energy are China and Japan?

Hey stupid, it doesn’t matter whether the climate is changing or not. Alternative energy is the future, and America is going to fall behind the technology of other nations if we don’t invest now.

Let me get this straight: YES OR NO: You’re saying there’s a health danger associated with windmills? Lets dig into that: Windmill does two things: Wind blows blades. Is there a danger to your health from the wind blowing on something? Cause you live in a house and wind blows on it. You have trees in your yard, wind blows on it. Suddenly there’s health danger because wind blows on a windmill? Second thing a windmill does: Turn a motor which generates electricity. Do you want to know what else does that? Why, only every other form of electricity generation, besides solar. Every One. And so does the alternator inside your car. So suddenly electric motors are a danger, but ONLY the ones 150 feet up in the air in the middle of a field? And of course, you have utterly no scientific data at all for this idiocy of yours. “They say…” But we never know who “they” are

What the hell is “noise cancer”? That’s how the motherf-er tells his lies: “A lot of people are saying…” He’s the one who said it. And by the way, noise doesn’t cause cancer. And fricking windmills are way high up in the air in the middle of fields. What noise? Have you seen any windmills ever? I’ve seen lots. Have you heard one making noise? I haven’t. And… by the way… when journalists asked the White House who “they” are, the White House didn’t answer. Can you tell us who “they” is? Any scientific research on “noise cancer”? The idiot also said that if your home is near a windmill, it has lost 75 percent of its value. Which is also a bunch of nonsense.

Yes or no: Is Roger Stone a politician? And I don’t even know what the F a tweenkie is, so it hardly bothers me to be called one of your third grader playground words.

At its heart, climate change policy seeks to do one thing: Reduce the emissions of CO2 into the atmosphere. And the method is mostly to move energy production from petroleum to other means, such as hydro, wind, solar, and other renewable forms. Al Gore made a very salient point about this when running for office: Nations around the world want alternative energy technology. More independent energy production helps any economy, not just America’s. The US is investing hundreds of billions in alternate energy technology. This technology is the future of global energy production. Why should any American or any politician want to stop America from being the leader in this field? Why give it to China or Europe? There is no doubt that solar, wind and battery tech are the future of energy. Wind powers half of all electricity in Denmark and nearly ten percent of all electricity in the US… and ten percent of America’s electricity is a LOT of electricity. Moving America to alternative, renewable energy is the best thing America can do in order to remain competitive and to protect our national defense. As we’ve seen, reliance upon a resource dominated by Russia and Mideastern countries is not in our best defensive interests. While petroleum will continue to meet significant parts of our energy needs for many decades to come, we need to stop politicizing the move to new technology. All of warfare in history has always been won by the nation with the better technology and the better production capability. America must seize on the opportunity to be an alternative energy leader, if we are to remain a world leader.

“Windmills cause cancer” Donald Trump