WestCanMan

The difference being that it wasn't just people inside of the residential schools that were dying. Canadians in modern cities were also dying at the time. That wasn't the case in Germany, was it Yz... For your edification: 1) In 1885 over 3,000 people died of smallpox right in Mtl, and the last major outbreak wasn't until 1924, in Windsor. Smallpox was something to be feared back when that res school was young. 2) There wasn't a form of penicillin that was effective against TB until 1946, and there were still almost 19,000 TB beds in Canada in 1953. In 1924 there were about 7,000 people a year dying from TB. 3) 55,000 people died of the Spanish Flu in Canada. https://nowtoronto.com/news/how-many-indigenous-children-died-in-canadas-residential-schools WTF do ya know? Basically everything that I predicted is starting to come out as being the most likely scenario. The article just cites 'influenza' as being the cause of death for the 78 people in FSJ, and the only date given for a report by Dr Bryce was 1906, but I'm not sure if Hamilton was citing Bryce's report in that paragraph. Still, if 78 people died in the Fort St John school during the SpFlu, and the res school at Kamloops was the biggest one in Canada, how many do you think died there during that year? Why do I have to do your thinking for you?

OMG what a farce. Here's a thing. 215 native children definitely died, and it was definitely a tragedy, but in almost every instance it was almost certainly from disease. It's unconscionable that most of these children probably didn't get to see their moms while they were dying - that's where the true, awful 'guilt' lies. Residential schools can be viewed as an abject failure with the benefit of hindsight, but it was 'progressives' that felt like kids needed to be extricated from the stone age who were in favour of the Res schools, not pedophiles and axe-murderers. There needed to be a better way to help children grow into the modern age, but our ancestors failed (miserably) to find it, and we are not proud of it. It is a source of shame, but let's keep things in perspective. Hell, if you wanted to find real crimes, I bet that some really bad shit happened when the gov't went to take those kids away from their parents. If I was a reporter interested in digging up some real, true Canadian shame, that's where I'd look. Here's another thing. In Pakistan they committed a genocide against 3 million people just in the 1970s, and it was only their second-largest genocide since the end of WWII. A Grave with 215 children in it would be minuscule there, and if they found it they wouldn't give a shit. You could build an outhouse on it if you wanted to. The Pakistanis don't spit on the grave of their leaders from back then. The muslim world isn't irate about it. It's not a source of shame. How's that for perspective? You're comparing something which Canadians feel is a tragedy, and where 215 kids died from disease, with actual genocides in the millions from countries (Turkey as well) which still feel like those were justified.

No assumes that's always the case. We know about math, probabilities, and real life. One thing that you and most leftists are blissfully ignorant about is the fact that the hijab symbolizes more than just forcing an unwanted fashion statement on a woman. It is a huge symbol of religious bigotry and oppression around the world and there's not even a close second. In the Southern US racist trogs still cruise around with their confederate flag, acting like it's not a symbol of racism or hate, and the hijab is the exact same thing. Just like some people are triggered by throwbacks to racism and slavery, a lot of women who escaped appalling religious bigotry in the ME are upset by the hijab as well. There are many, many countries in the world where not wearing a hijab is guaranteed to get a woman verbally harrased, threatened, assaulted, and even raped, and in a lot of places the police won't even give a shit. Systemic genocidal rapes have even been carried out, using the hijab to differentiate targets from untouchables. How cool is it to carry a confederate flag? How cool is it to wear a hijab? I'm not some angry fool who's going to be rude to say something to a person for choosing to wear something on their head, and I'm not enough of a snowflake to pretend to be offended myself, but if we're being honest here, seeing as leftists are always having a huge conversation about how offensive certain symbols are, why does the hijab get left out? It is no better than a confederate flag. Only wearing a swastika is actually worse. I get that this is your elevator speech, and you'll ignore reason and facts like the plague, but I'll indulge you for whatever reason. Of course, out of a billion+ muslims, there are hundreds of thousands of truly amazing and decent people. It's the nature of some people to be that way. But if you look at the REAL WORLD, oppressive religious bigotry exists in entire muslim countries at a level that you will only find in extremely small fringe groups in other areas. How do you explain that away dialamah? Are there really no conclusions that can be drawn from that? Can you explain to me how people of the islamic faith feel about Pakistan and Israel? Two countries formed at the exact same time in the exact same way, along religious lines? Which one of those countries do you feel is more 'progressive'? You're talking about entire countries with blatant, government-enforced bigotry... Hmmmm.

If you're being honest, what he said was idiotic and inflammatory. It's a non-starter for constructive dialogue. If you want to carry on like a pop-flinging monkey in the zoo that's your problem.

Now you're playing stupid and accusing me of saying things that I didn't say. What happened in Ontario was evil, plain and simple, but there have been a lot of evil things done and it's just idiotic for you to act like we can only talk about 33% of it. At the heart of all of our problems is disinformation from media sources all over the globe - western, middle eastern, asian... you name it. But at the current time, you like the disinformation in Canada so you don't want to say or do anything about it. You need to grow up MH. This isn't a sandbox.

You're correct in saying that there's a problem here, but it's on both sides, so let's not act like it's a one-way street. Attacks against muslims here wasn't even a thing until after we had several muslim terrorist attacks here against Canadians. Do you understand that MH? No actual discussion about this or any other topic can be productive while a party to the conversation [ie - you] is blatantly lying, and lying is basically a means of providing justification (the concept of 'justification' is the root cause of all of the world's most despicable evil imo) for more of the same inexcusable behaviour. You need to wise up a bit to be part of such a serious discussion.

That was such a stupid, hate mongering post. You might be sick.

If there were lawsuits going around for a lack of ethics in journalism then CNN would literally be buried in paperwork. Their building would be sinking like the Library of Congress due the weight of the paper in it.

Lol. This is the epitome of partisan stupidity. You've been on this site for years trying your hardest to make the case that Trump colluded with Russia when there has never been a shred of credible evidence to support such a claim, but when you find out that a Demonrat had his dick inside of a Chinese spy for years, while she was financially building his political career, you act like you know for certain that it was all on the up and up. GZ - "I know in my heart of hearts that Swalwell wasn't duped, and he wasn't acting as an agent for the Chinese gov't, he's so smart that he played them. THAT HAS TO BE IT! It's the only explanation that works for me! I must tell the people! It's my sacred duty!"

It's the ultimate virtue signalling message. JT - "My ancestors, the founders of this nation, were horrible people. The very worst in history. I'm crying real tears of re-election, or uh, shame and anguish for the bad things that they did. They were way worse than simply bilking charities and committing ethics breaches on behalf of companies that are known to bribe politicians, or lying about getting water to indigenous people, or fighting veterans in court to deny them access to prosthetic limbs. Uhhhh, did that suck? Hey LaFlamme - cut that last part out and especially the part about re-election. Later chumps. I gotta go drink some expensive wine, courtesy of my fanbase. Peons. Voters. Whatever. You know what I mean." CTV's edit: Justin Trudeau was moved to tears yesterday and vowed to do whatever he can to make things right for indigenous people! "My ancestors, the founders of this nation, were horrible people. The very worst in history. I'm crying real tears of re-election, or uh, shame and anguish for the bad things that they did. They were way worse than simply bilking charities and committing ethics breaches on behalf of companies that are known to bribe politicians, or lying about getting water to indigenous people, or fighting veterans in court to deny them access to prosthetic limbs. Uhhhh, did that suck? Hey LaFlamme - cut that last part out and especially the part about re-election. Later chumps. I gotta go drink some expensive wine, courtesy of my fanbase. Peons. Voters. Whatever. You know what I mean."

You just described leftists dialamah. You know, the people who were fooled on every topic in the MSM over the past 8 years, the ones who blindly follow Biden and Trudeau despite their obvious ethics breaches, etc? Generalizations aren't always bad. Being able to predict people is important. It's a survival skill.

My grandfather used to say: "There's his story, there's her story, and somewhere in the middle there's the truth." Leftists have no clue wtf that even means. To them any victimhood story is instantly considered gospel truth. There's never any perspective, understanding, or reason from leftists. If they had any of those things they wouldn't be leftists though, would they lol.

I can't even imagine if I was an indigenous parent in 2021, and my kids were living in hide or turf shelters with no technology to speak of, watching other kids with ski-doos, cel phones, driving cars and boats, living in modern homes, eating fresh fruit and produce in the winter, etc. I don't understand how some people still feel like staying in the stone age was the best option for them. If they were in Hawaii, or the Yucatan peninsula, sure, but not in Edm or Fort Mac. F no.

I think we'd all agree that the very dumbest of leftists identify as 'woke', and that they're a little too powerful and they're getting too many of their idiotic ideas turned into law. Biological males can compete with females now, thanks to the presidolt, which isn't that much different from allowing some men to take steroids and compete against men who aren't allowed to take steroids. Will grown men soon be allowed to say "I still identify as a scrawny teen, even though I weigh 275 lbs with a BMI of 7%, so I want to be allowed to play on a grade 9 football team"? By leftist standards, that makes perfect sense. Woke people say stupid things like "all women need to be believed" and then when a conservative woman accuses a liberal of rape she's instantly considered a lying douchebag. There's a school in NYC that wants kids to stop saying "mom" and "dad", but at the same time wokies want to tell us what words we have to use to describe them. Leftists block the truth from FB and call the people who try to tell the truth racists. "Woke" literally means idiot now, just like phat and dope mean "cool".

I was about to click 'like' on your post when I read this. To be fair, it wasn't like the world of today, where a kid could call the cops on their phone and get an investigation started right away with forensic evidence collected. Also, not every kid or even every school experienced sexual predation. Let's not get carried away. If a kid really tried to get a message to the police back in 1919 it would be later in the day, or week, and as we all know most of these crimes even go unreported. If a report does get filed it's more of a he said she said than anything, and you know as well as anyone that people don't even agree on what they see with their own eyes on the news. Re: Rayshard, I saw extremely polite and patient officers in a position where they had no choice but to arrest him get punched, have a taser stolen, have the first of 2 rounds in that potentially lethal taser shot at the cop's face from close up, and the cop return fire. Leftists saw a guy who fell asleep in his car get shot while he was just running away from oppressive racists. They saw a non-lethal taser, as if there is such a thing. Keep in mind those are contradictory accounts of what people saw from the exact same POV with their own eyes.

EXACTLY! Like I've been saying all along, people with actual hearts and good intentions were trying to help get children out of the woods and into schools and eventually universities. Not war criminals. For sure extremely bad things happened, and unfortunately, due to things like TB and smallpox, the schools were doomed before they ever opened. Still, the fact remains that the schools weren't built to be sexual exploitation centers, torture chambers or concentration camps, like every liberal article coming out in this day and age claims. Educated liberals of today are completely oblivious to the fact that in the early movement to get children educated and move them into modern society, educated liberals were at the tip of the spear.

WTH are you talking about? You think that the next of kin were never notified? How do you know that? Better yet, how do I know that's not true but you can't figure it out? I'm only telling you what the most obvious explanation is, not that it is guaranteed to be true. FYI there are mass graves all over NA from 1919, and probably zero in the 102 years after that. If your 16 yr old gets some red bumps by their nose and on their cheeks and forehead, and the ends of them turn white, is it probably cancer? Is it probably covid? Would I be railroading you if I said "They're probably zits"? The article says he was a bully, but then doesn't quantify that in any way, shape or form. There are literally tens of thousands of people who did far worse to people in the last 70 yrs on this planet.

This whole narrative and discussion was formulated around the need to give Trudeau a chance to virtue signal like there's no tomorrow. If this story didn't come up then the main story in the news would be the fact that we dissed Trump's travel ban as racist, followed the WHO blindly, defended them publicly, and they have now been exposed as nothing more than shills for Xi. Honestly, I haven't been watching CTV or CBC lately, but I'm just guessing that this latest bit of information about C19 suddenly just doesn't matter to them. Literally every other C19 topic under the sun was a chance to fear monger for covid some more, but possibly the biggest piece of covid-related news in the last 6 months is an afterthought. Again, that's just a guess, but it would almost be worth it to watch the news today just to see if they even mention it.

And you know this how? Do you have a cite for this or are you one of the planet's eminent virologists? I think that we can both agree that for you to make this claim, that requires a cite. According to people who were willing to put their own professional credentials on the line, this is a mutation that has never occurred in nature before. It has only ever been created in a lab. It looks like the people who originally found the engineered mutation might be here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339153857_The_spike_glycoprotein_of_the_new_coronavirus_2019-nCoV_contains_a_furin-like_cleavage_site_absent_in_CoV_of_the_same_clade I didn't even try to read it. It's beyond my ken. Unless something that the NYPost said was factually inaccurate, and no one has risen to the challenge of discrediting it yet, the issue has reached a conclusion. The old director of the CDC said that eventually science would get to the bottom of this, and while I hoped that he was right, a bigger part of me was concerned that the cover-up would obfuscate things beyond any possibility of a real conclusion. MYATA - REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING ELSE, THIS IS THE PART THAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND.... This was clearly, 10,000%, an instance where there were many very valid reasons to have an open discussion on an important topic, but liberals unilaterally touted fake science as the final arbiter of the issue and used their social media pit-bulls to block out the truth by killing freedom of speech & bludgeoning nay-sayers with baseless accusations of racism. Why are you still grasping at straws? Even if this latest salvo of science uber alles is just another red herring, the case has been made that this topic never should have been verboten. You should be really concerned about how Dems and Big Tech are killing freedom of speech. Their use of fake science should also disgust you. Instead of batting an eye, you're still their stooge. WTF would it take for you to even consider the possibility that you're being played? How many times do you need to bust those guys? How long can you continue to play ignorant? Other demonrats have abandoned this sinking ship. They're onto the next lie. The longer you stay here, the more obvious it becomes that you have to make an admission.

You were only told about the prevalent opinion, you were railroaded to it, and your ignorance left you no other viable choice. I can tell you right now that the only viable choice that you ever face is to realize that CTV and CBC are bullshit and they treat you like a naive child. Stop loving them for it.

Leftists would scream if people in 2021 opted to take their children out of the school system and raise them in the woods, in stone-age housing. Back in 1890 you and I would have been among the people who felt like taking the young girls out of the stone age was the only right & proper thing to do. I can promise you that EVERY high school- & university-educated woman would feel the exact same way. I can also tell you that boarding schools offer the most high-quality education on the planet. The argument to leave kids to be raised in the stone age a decade after Nikola Tesla graduated university would be abhorrent. Get a grip.

Unless the latest article from NYPost turns out to be inaccurate (and that's unlikely, considering that their track record is awesome compared to CNN et al) then this can just be filed as another blatant example of leftists making a fake claim to science and censoring the truth and calling it racist while allowing fake news to be propagated as the verified truth.

You were unaware of all the claims that the 2016 election was stolen?????????? Were you on Mars? People who live in mud huts knew about it myata. FYI Hillary Clinton covertly funnelled money to an ex-MI6 agent so that he could buy fake intel from Russians, and gave that intel to the FBI, who presented it to the FISA court where they lied about the validity of it multiple times in order to get warrants to spy on Trump and his associates. There was a highly publicized witch hunt, the FBI and CNN staged a military raid on an old man, it was on all the news in NA 24/7. They tried to get the duly elected president thrown in jail. Most people knew about. It’s one level of stupid to believe in the Russian collusion fiasco but I never heard of anyone so dumb that they never even knew about it.

1) That was never a thing. Eg, blocking travel from covid hotspots was never a conspiracy theory and it was never racist. There was never anything wrong with Kavanaugh being appointed to the SC. Russian collusion was always bullshit, leftists just ignored the facts and kept piling on for years. Leftings followed CNN off a cliff 200 times over the past 4 years. 2) The 2016 election wasn't stolen, but the MSM trumpeted that story as headline news for four years MH. Have you forgotten that leftard MSM outlets ran batshit crazy hysteria as headline news for 4 years? Do you also fail to understand the complete lunacy of Dem election policies like 1) voter ID is racist, 2) bombarding people in voting lineups with propaganda has the be legalized, 3) nothing can possibly go wrong if you just mail ballots to everyone in the country and then don't require any form of signature matching.... You have to be completely retarded to fail to understand the bogus turn that democracy is taking in the US. 3) The fact that a graveyard exists is factual, but the MSM is lying by omission again and using those dead bodies as a political tool to pump up sock boy. They have no shame, and our political leaders are having a crying contest to scramble for votes. It's pathetic.

I actually predicted that a different thread would be started with shiny bells and shallow insults to draw attention away from here. This forum is rife with juvenile TDS threads that are several pages long because most conservatives take the bait and defend the truth while liberals love to fling their intellectual poops every chance they get. It’s true that liberals aren’t here defending the Lancet, but 1) it’s an untenable position and they’re tired of getting factual beat-downs here and 2) they already rode the Lancet like Secretariat for over a year when it was obviously just a blight on “science”, they’ve done enough damage to truth and accountability on this topic. It also fits their pattern to a Tee to yell and scream about the shiny new bullshit and then just act like it didn’t happen once the truth finally comes out. They’re just onto the new bullshit right now. In Canada that’s: “219 graves - likely the result of a genocide!” and in the US it’s: “Biden’s America is like a big hug. Everything is coming up roses! We just need to fight the white bogeyman!”