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Lol. You call me dishonest, then the very next thing you say is a total lie. FYI Patriot of Ukraine isn't "far right". Noooooot at all. They were "neo-Nazi". It's important not to mix the two up, because anyone with a firmer anti-LPoC stance than Poilievre is considered "far right" here, and that doesn't make them neo-Nazis by a bajillion miles. And FYI the neo prefix doesn't diminish the Naziism aspect at all, it just means in "new". They're "new" Nazis, as opposed to Nazis who were working for Hitler in the '40s. People within those "neo-Nazi" groups don't call themselves neo-Nazis, they just call themselves Nazis, like the Azov Nazi Battalion did before they had to change the optics to make way for billions of dollars to flow into Ukraine. This is from Wiki, not from 'me' personally: Patriot of Ukraine: A neo-Nazi, ultra-nationalist organization that acted as the core of the new battalion. Social-National Assembly (SNA): An umbrella organization for various far-right, ultranationalist groups that, along with Patriot of Ukraine, formed the foundation of the unit. That's two Nazi groups. Neo-Nazis, and National Socialists, which is a cuter name for Nazi, and nothing else. What is written there^, by me, is a 100% accurate reflection of the actual historical record. What you're doing is trying to whitewash the historical record to remove the Nazi aspect from the Azov Nazi Battalion. Again: the Azovs themselves were in charge of determining whether or not they were Nazis, and they left no doubt: they called themselves Nazis and National Socialists (Nazis again), they wore Nazi insignias, and they acted exactly like Nazis... They raped and tortured POW's who were wearing military uniforms, and therefor should have been protected by the Geneva Conventions. I don't know what your problem is with this. It's cut-and-dried: the Azov Nazi Battalion were Nazis, and there's no room to dispute that claim rationally. Are you ethnic Ukrainian? Is that your problem? You want to expunge the record of any association between Ukraine and Naziism? Well here's a chill pill for you: back in the 1930s and '40s, when Ukrainians were deciding between fighting Hitler and fighting Stalin, Ukrainians had WAY MORE REASONS TO HATE STALIN THAN HITLER, and it's not even close. Stalin was responsible for killing anywhere from 3.5M Ukrainians (the very lowest estimate) to 10M Ukrainians (highest estimate) by forced starvation in the 1930s and before Hitler was even a big name, and Hitler hadn't done anything close to that to the Ukrainians yet. Not only did Stalin take all the food out of Ukraine in the '30s, he blocked the border to stop food from getting into Ukraine, and his soldiers killed tens of thousands of people to enforce those food blockades. So, did Ukrainians "proudly" call themselves Nazis, so that they could kill Russians during WWII? 100%. Is it understandable? 1,000%. Of all the forces that aligned themselves with Hitler in WWII, the Ukrainians are the only ones with a good excuse, and their excuse was awesome. I woulda done it too back then. It wasn't until after WWII that the world really learned how bad the Nazis actually were. There were even a lot of people in the German army who had no clue about the horrors of Dachau and Auschwitz, just like vax-fascists in Canada have no clue how far into actual fascism we were here in 2021 and early 2022. BUT, in the 2020s, when the Azov Nazi Battalion declared themselves to be Nazis, there was NO EXCUSE FOR CALLING ONESELF A NAZI anymore. Not at all. The Azovs were not "taking on a shiny new military name just so that they could fight against a Russian dictator who killed millions of their people, including family members", the Azovs were taking on a name "entirely synonymous with violent bigotry and genocide". They took the name and the insignias. There's no mistaking what they did for "being kinda like Nazis". They went all-in. They crossed the Rubicon when they committed war crimes. They are what they are.

Ahhhhh, you're painting yourself into a corner now, robo... What are the two steps that you can take to have the least secure voting mechanisms of all? Let people vote without ID Use mail-in ballots 1) If you wanted secure elections, why would you let people vote without ID? Do you know that if people provide false ID to any government official it automatically makes them guilty of several felonies, on top of the voter fraud charge? 2) Mail-in ballots are extremely susceptible to all kinds of fraud. Do you think that Robert DeNiro's wife could open up a ballot and put an X beside "Trump" with Angry, Stupid Rob right there? Do you think he can't forge her signature? Do you think a mailman might see GOP or Dem signs on a lawn and decide whether or not to lose people's ballots? Do you think no one can make ballots for dead people and sign them and send them in? Do you think they can't make duplicates/forgeries of actual ballots and then send the copies back after destroying the originals? Will the avg voter know if the ballot they received was actually just a forged copy, while the real ballot never came within ten miles of their house? Robo, people can sit right in front of you with a deck of cards in plain sight, and cheat you several different ways, and 99% of people will miss them all entirely. What can they do with ballots that are in your hand for 10 minutes, and then out-of-sight for days before they're counted? Why are the Dems so keen on implementing the most voter-fraud-friendly election systems imaginable?

Id10t, Here's who formed the group: The Azov Battalion (now the 12th Special Forces Brigade "Azov" of the National Guard of Ukraine) was formed in May 2014 in Berdiansk as a volunteer police battalion. The group was formed from several key far-right and ultra-nationalist elements 1) Patriot of Ukraine: A neo-Nazi, ultra-nationalist organization that acted as the core of the new battalion. 2) Social-National Assembly (SNA): An umbrella organization for various far-right, ultranationalist groups that, along with Patriot of Ukraine, formed the foundation of the unit. Patriot of Ukraine -> neo Nazis "Social National Assembly". Hmmmm, who were the National Socialist German Party? Oh yeah, the Nazis. Neo-Nazis plus National Socialists = Nazis and more Nazis. So a group of Nazis joined with another group of Nazis and they all wore TWO Nazi insignias, and they committed war crimes together, but BY DECREE of USER, they aren't allowed to call themselves Nazis because @User says so 😂 Twat.

I got to the point of the conversation where I just keep re-posting facts that you can't challenge. Bottom line, the makeup of your beloved Azov Nazi Battalion is like this: 50% of the people who formed the group called themselves "National Socialists", as in "National Socialist German Workers' Party", which is the formal name of the Nazi party. They had Nazi tattoos and wore Nazi insignias as well. They also committed war crimes. It doesn't get any more Nazi than that. They were Nazis, through and through. The other half of the people who formed the Azov Nazi Battalion didn't admit to being Nazis at that time, but they were violent white supremacists who agreed to adopt Nazi insignias and join up with known Nazis. If you join a group of Nazis and wear Nazi insignias, what does that make you? 20% of the people in the Azov Nazi Battalion just came right out and admitted that they were actual Nazis, which is not a small thing to do: it instantly heaps a lot of severe hatred on oneself. You have to be in an area where Nazis are fairly popular to walk around admitting to being a Nazi. You're not the first person to support Nazis, User. And fascism is actually extremely popular in Canada, even if Canadians don't want to admit it.

Leftists aren't concerned about the plight of children who get raped, they care about people who get shot trying to run over cops.

So at least you've finally gone from "It's impossible to cheat during an election" to "Some shit happens". That's a really big step for you. Did it hurt? What made you reconsider the possibility of election cheating? Trump's win?

Well, the last person they voted into the WH the was an embarrassing imbecile, so it's awesome for everyone if those m0r0ns stay out of politics now.

Not paying attention to your lies and bullshit does not make one "detached from reality", it's a sign of intelligence and common sense.

What does that have to do with my post? I just merely noted that your thread is all accusation and no substantiation. It's a joke that this thread is even still here.

😂 It's pretty bad when even robo notices how unsubstantiated your claim is.

They think that giving things away to illegals that Americans have to pay for is awesome. That just goes to show you how out of touch they are with working-class Americans. "But we told them that we come from neighbourhoods where people cut their grass... Wasn't that enough? Kamala couldn't have said any more than she already did. What do these smelly little voters want from us?"

You don't have to tell me about the decline of democracy, JS. We came within an inch of full-on fascism during covid, and don't think that the LPoC and CBC didn't notice how willing the majority of cultists here were to see the gov't strip away our most fundamental rights and freedoms, and inflict on their friends and neighbours. We even had "voluntary self-isolation camps" set up in Auschwitz NWT and Dachau Yukon that our gov't brazenly lied about. As long as the MSM is completely controlled by one party, which is now taking over the role of Grand Internet Censor, the existence of democracy is nothing more than an illusion anyways.

the original insignia of the Azov Battalion featured symbols that are strongly associated with Nazism, specifically the Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) and, in some variations, the Black Sun (Sonnenrad). You don't get to change the meaning of those symbols. They are what they are. Their association with the Nazis is unbreakable, and to wear those symbols is to identify yourself as a Nazi. Or neo-Nai, if you prefer. Of the 2 founding groups, one was a Nazi group ("national Socialists"), the other was a white supremacist group. Stop trying to split hairs. If you wanna say that "one group was somehow 1% better than the other group", I will grant you that much. So, would you join forces with one of those groups, or with someone else? Maybe don't answer that. 20% OPENLY ADMIT TO BEING "NAZIS". They used the "N" word to describe themselves. 50% were openly calling themselves "National Socialists". Please tell me that you know what that means by now... It means that they were using a cuter term for "Nazi". One that they could use in America that would make the Bernie Sanders crowd fall in love with them, but which also meant NAZI. It's like calling yourself a Canuck instead of a Canadian. Eiether way, you're still a Canadian, but to the uninformed, they might be thrown off track, and never bother to question it. So now we're up to "50% identified as Nazis PUBLICLY, even if they used a cutesier term for it" and then the other 50% were "White Supremacists who agreed to wear Nazi symbols and join forces with a Nazi group." But you are declaratively stating that YOU KNOW FOR CERTAIN that "none of the guys who were white supremacists, and agreed to wear Nazi symbols and join forces with self-proclaimed Nazis also considered themselves Nazis"? Is that accurate enough for you? Fine: I will agree that "50% identified as Nazis PUBLICLY, and the other 50% were just run-of-the-mill violent white supremacists who agreed to wear Nazi symbols and join forces with self-proclaimed Nazis and commit war crimes with them, but considered themselves to be somehow better than their avowed Nazi brothers". If 100 white supremacists join forces with 100 Nazis and adopt Nazi insignias, at the very LEAST a simple majority of the white supremacists would have to be willing to be identified as Nazis when they put that symbol on their chest. The swastika also existed long before Naziism, and who would wear a swastika in NA or Europe now, aside from Nazis? The symbols that you are talking about are STRONGLY, EVEN EXCLUSIVELY KNOWN AS NAZI SYMBOLS and have been for 80 years. Just because a European heraldry history nerd can name a group who used it 300 years ago doesn't mean that that's what anyone else in the world sees. Azov Nazis chose Nazi symbols, period. It's not a coincidence you f'ing cultist sap. Who cares what other people did? I said the Azov Nazis were war criminals, because they are. When you went to the playground in school, and there were 10 kids there, did you make friends with them all? Even the 3 kids who were beating minority kids unconscious? Does it make it ok that you befriended the Nazis at your school, because you also befriended other kids? Most of us are choosier than you. Most of us don't have Nazis over for dinner. The core issue is you keep lying, and minimizing. Which is also lying. The Azov Nazi unit was formed by 2 groups: a self-avowed Nazi group and a violent white supremacist group. The group wore Nazi symbols and committed war crimes together. When you eventually join up with a Nazi group, and wear Nazi symbols yourself, and commit war crimes with the Nazis, people will consider you a Nazi whether you like it or not. There's no denying that. Don't wear Nazi symbols and hang with Nazis if you don't want to be called a Nazi. Make sense?

Back to our original points. You: Me: When did Trump ever do that before? Biden did that constantly, when he was blatantly lying. Leftists LOVED it, and parroted all of his lies, so you're just projecting Dem shortcomings where they absolutely do not apply. edit: I forgot to mention that Biden LOVED to pretend that all the jobs that came back after the lockdowns ended were somehow "New jobs, created by his brilliant economy", and that the jobs that were temporarily lost during the lockdown were "a result of Trump's failed economy". Biden's lies were unbelievably transparent, and on a scale that is unprecedented, even for politicians.

From Google AI, a known whitewasher of the historical record: Yes, the original insignia of the Azov Battalion featured symbols that are strongly associated with Nazism, specifically the Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) and, in some variations, the Black Sun (Sonnenrad). While the unit has moved to rebrand and distance itself from this ideology as it was integrated into the Ukrainian National Guard, the early, and at times enduring, use of these symbols caused widespread recognition of the group as a far-right, neo-Nazi affiliated formation. You don't get to change the meaning of those symbols. They are what they are. Their association with the Nazis is unbreakable, and to wear those symbols is to identify yourself as a Nazi. Or neo-Nai, if you prefer. Of the 2 founding groups, one was a Nazi group ("national Socialists"), the other was a white supremacist group. Stop trying to split hairs. If you wanna say that "one group was somehow 1% better than the other group", I will grant you that much. So, would you join forces with one of those groups, or with someone else? Maybe don't answer that. It doesn't mean that AT ALL you f'ing ******. 20% OPENLY ADMIT TO BEING "NAZIS". They used the "N" word to describe themselves. 50% were openly calling themselves "National Socialists". Please tell me that you know what that means by now... It means that they were using a cuter term for "Nazi". One that they could use in America that would make the Bernie Sanders crowd fall in love with them, but which also meant NAZI. It's like calling yourself a Canuck instead of a Canadian. Eiether way, you're still a Canadian, but to the uninformed, they might be thrown off track, and never bother to question it. So now we're up to "50% identified as Nazis PUBLICLY, even if they used a cutesier term for it" and then the other 50% were "White Supremacists who agreed to wear Nazi symbols and join forces with a Nazi group." But you are declaratively stating that YOU KNOW FOR CERTAIN that "none of the guys who were white supremacists, and agreed to wear Nazi symbols and join forces with self-proclaimed Nazis also considered themselves Nazis"? Is that accurate enough for you? Fine: I will agree that "50% identified as Nazis PUBLICLY, and the other 50% were just run-of-the-mill violent white supremacists who agreed to wear Nazi symbols and join forces with self-proclaimed Nazis and commit war crimes with them, but considered themselves to be somehow better than their avowed Nazi brothers". Are we done now? It's not a guess, it's just statistics, dummy. If 100 white supremacists join forces with 100 Nazis and adopt Nazi insignias, at the very LEAST a simple majority would have to be willing to be identified as Nazis when they put that symbol on their chest. The swastika also existed long before Naziism, and who would wear a swastika in NA or Europe now, aside from Nazis? The symbols that you are talking about are STRONGLY, EVEN EXCLUSIVELY KNOWN AS NAZI SYMBOLS and have been for 80 years. Just because a European heraldry history nerd can name a group who used it 300 years ago doesn't mean that that's what anyone else in the world sees. Azov Nazis chose Nazi symbols, period. It's not a coincidence you f'ing cultist sap. Who cares what other people did? I said the Azov Nazis were war criminals, because they are. When you went to the playground in school, and there were 10 kids there, did you make friends with them all? Even the 3 kids who were beating minority kids unconscious? Does it make it ok that you befriended the Nazis at your school, because you also befriended other kids? Most of us are choosier than you. Most of us don't have Nazis over for dinner. No, the core issue is you keep lying, and minimizing. Which is also lying. More accurately, the unit was formed by 2 groups: a Nazi group and a violent white supremacist group. The group wore Nazi symbols and committed war crimes. The vast majority were self-proclaimed Nazis, the rest just wore the symbols and committed war crimes with Nazis, "but somehow better" lol. If you join up with a Nazi group, and wear Nazi symbols yourself, and commit war crimes with the Nazis, people will consider you a Nazi whether you like it or not. There's no denying that. Don't wear Nazi symbols and hang with Nazis if you don't want to be called a Nazi. Make sense?

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From Google AI, a known whitewasher of the historical record: Yes, the original insignia of the Azov Battalion featured symbols that are strongly associated with Nazism, specifically the Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) and, in some variations, the Black Sun (Sonnenrad). While the unit has moved to rebrand and distance itself from this ideology as it was integrated into the Ukrainian National Guard, the early, and at times enduring, use of these symbols caused widespread recognition of the group as a far-right, neo-Nazi affiliated formation. You don't get to change the meaning of those symbols. They are what they are. Their association with the Nazis is unbreakable, and to wear those symbols is to identify yourself as a Nazi. Or neo-Nai, if you prefer. Of the 2 founding groups, one was a Nazi group ("national Socialists"), the other was a white supremacist group. Stop trying to split hairs. If you wanna say that "one group was somehow 1% better than the other group", I will grant you that much. So, would you join forces with one of those groups, or with someone else? Maybe don't answer that. It doesn't mean that AT ALL you f'ing ******. 20% OPENLY ADMIT TO BEING "NAZIS". They used the "N" word to describe themselves. 50% were openly calling themselves "National Socialists". Please tell me that you know what that means by now... It means that they were using a cuter term for "Nazi". One that they could use in America that would make the Bernie Sanders crowd fall in love with them, but which also meant NAZI. It's like calling yourself a Canuck instead of a Canadian. Eiether way, you're still a Canadian, but to the uninformed, they might be thrown off track, and never bother to question it. So now we're up to "50% identified as Nazis PUBLICLY, even if they used a cutesier term for it" and then the other 50% were "White Supremacists who agreed to wear Nazi symbols and join forces with a Nazi group." But you are declaratively stating that YOU KNOW FOR CERTAIN that "none of the guys who were white supremacists, and agreed to wear Nazi symbols and join forces with self-proclaimed Nazis also considered themselves Nazis"? Is that accurate enough for you? Fine: I will agree that "50% identified as Nazis PUBLICLY, and the other 50% were just run-of-the-mill violent white supremacists who agreed to wear Nazi symbols and join forces with self-proclaimed Nazis and commit war crimes with them, but considered themselves to be somehow better than their avowed Nazi brothers". Are we done now? It's not a guess, it's just statistics, dummy. If 100 white supremacists join forces with 100 Nazis and adopt Nazi insignias, at the very LEAST a simple majority would have to be willing to be identified as Nazis when they put that symbol on their chest. The swastika also existed long before Naziism, and who would wear a swastika in NA or Europe now, aside from Nazis? The symbols that you are talking about are STRONGLY, EVEN EXCLUSIVELY KNOWN AS NAZI SYMBOLS and have been for 80 years. Just because a European heraldry history nerd can name a group who used it 300 years ago doesn't mean that that's what anyone else in the world sees. Azov Nazis chose Nazi symbols, period. It's not a coincidence you f'ing cultist sap. Who cares what other people did? I said the Azov Nazis were war criminals, because they are. When you went to the playground in school, and there were 10 kids there, did you make friends with them all? Even the 3 kids who were beating minority kids unconscious? Does it make it ok that you befriended the Nazis at your school, because you also befriended other kids? Most of us are choosier than you. Most of us don't have Nazis over for dinner. No, the core issue is you keep lying, and minimizing. Which is also lying. More accurately, the unit was formed by 2 groups: a Nazi group and a violent white supremacist group. The group wore Nazi symbols and committed war crimes. The vast majority were self-proclaimed Nazis, the rest just wore the symbols and committed war crimes with Nazis, "but somehow better" lol. If you join up with a Nazi group, and wear Nazi symbols yourself, and commit war crimes with the Nazis, people will consider you a Nazi whether you like it or not. There's no denying that. Don't wear Nazi symbols and hang with Nazis if you don't want to be called a Nazi. Make sense?

Oh look, the guy who cheered when healthy young people were being forced to take the dangerous and worthless jab wants to see the WH destroyed. Shocker. I wonder if your fellow left4rd cultists like @robosmith and @Hodad can break ranks with you on this one. They're 'Murican, but they're on that side that already supported a violent riot at the WH just a few years ago, so.....

That's just stupid. Here's a thing, User... Why don't you get some Nazi tattoos on your arm, wear a shirt and hat with Nazi insignias on them, and chant white supremacist slogans? What's preventing you from doing that, if doing those things doesn't mean that you're a Nazi? You can just tell people that you're supporting the Azovs. And if they're cultists, like you, they will believe you. See if you can get a job at a daycare that's not run by Somalis while you're doing all that, User. Would someone who's not a Nazi do all of those things? Plus commit serious war crimes? Would they really? Who on God's green earth would wear Nazi insignias, and stay in a group of people where 20% of them PUBLICLY ADMIT TO BEING NAZIS (and how many others say it in secrecy?), and at the very least every other person in that group is a violent white supremacist? Again, The Asoz Nazi Battalion: ALL wore NAZI insignias, on their uniforms, in public, in a country where everyone knew that they were Nazi insignias are ALL violent white supremacists, to the very last man had as many as 50% of their group identifying as "National Socialists", which means "Nazi", and nothing else 20% of them OPENLY called themselves "Nazis", and at least 30% of the others would have called themselves Nazis in secret as well, because they were already admitting to being "national socialists" while wearing Nazi emblems. So it's not unlikely that they ALL called themselves Nazis in private. They had Nazi tattoos The UN High Commission was saying that they were serious war criminals when Ukraine brought them into their army. Again, the Azovs themselves get to determine whether or not they are Nazis, and they were all wearing the Nazi insignias. They only stopped bragging about being Nazis when they found out that they had to stop in order to get billions of dollars from the US and Europe. US and Europe: "Here's $200B if you stop calling yourselves Nazis." Azovs: "WE LOVE JEWWWWWWS!!! WE LOVE NI BLACKS!!! WE LOVE ALL OF THE INFERIOR RACES!!!!!"

This isn't gonna be like when Biden bragged about a drone strike for a week, until we all found out that he just killed 7 children and some aid workers. It's not gonna be like when Biden said "It was the most successful withdrawal ever" despite the fact that Americans were killed at the indefensible airport that Biden chose, hundreds of terrorists were let out of jail when they didn't have to be, as many as 9,000 Americans were left behind in Afghanistan, American forces just stopped communicating with their allies and turned the withdrawal into an "every man for himself" scramble, and thousands of Afghan allies - who risked their lives for years to help America - were left behind to be tortured and killed. It's not gonna be like Biden's "secure border" that allowed 10M people to enter the US illegally. It's not gonna be like when Biden claimed "No inflation" while inflation was at the highest level since the great depression. John Stone: Biden had an extensive history of claiming brilliant success from catastrophic failures, and braindead cultists like you regurgitated every single word of those lies verbatim, so don't sit there now pretending that Trump's gonna follow some loser pattern that has already been established. Can you name a time when Trump called something a success that was a Biden-level catastrophe? Just one thing even?

Don't change the question in order to score partial points. The fact is that "The Ukrainian army took a Nazi Battalion into the fold." You're trying to contend that "One of the two group was just violent white supremacists, the other group were Nazis, so it was just a 50% Nazi group, not 100", which is pathetic enough, but the fact is "ALL OF THE AZOVS WORE NAZI SYMBOLS ON THEIR UNIFORMS, AND EVERY SINGLE AZOV NAZI KNEW WHAT THOSE SYMBOLS MEANT"! THE UN HIGH COMMISSION SAYS THAT THE AZOV NAZIS COMMITTED WAR CRIMES, INCLUDING RAPE AND TORTURE IN 2014 & 2015."

Nothing changed. The Preident, Secretary of State, Nato Secretary General and German Chancellor all made promises that were 100% ignored. We lied. 100%. And it's pathetic that you don't see it as lying when we said one thing and did the opposite. How often do you promise people something and then do the exact opposite? You seem really comfortable with that. User: "Hey kids, we're going to Disneyland tomorrow!" Next day: "Just kidding. I'm going to the bar to get drunk and Uncle Willy is gonna babysit you."

These polls don't matter. The polls that matter are the ones in the last 30 days before the election, because that is when the CBC and CTV will be leaning on them to influence voters. A conservative lead now just gives them more room to ballyhoo a big swing towards the Libs when they need it most. We saw in the last election how they were able to pimp Carney as a saviour, the LPoC as a brand new group, and then gloss over all of Carney's lies and just keep saying "Carney is popular, look at the polls". If there is an election on Nov 30th this year, then there is a 100% chance that the LPoC will be leading by 5-7% for all of Nov from the 1st to the 27th, and then on the 28th the polls will switch to "Libs up by 1.5%". Book it. If we could bet on polling data, I would make a billion dollars on the next election.

The sad part is, that the more the NYPost tells the truth about Mamdani, and the more they show how much of a id10t the guy is, the more left4rds will hate the NYPost. They don't want to know about Mamdani, they just want the feather in their cap for voting for a pedophile who likes to see women get beaten up.

Well, the answer is yes, because every single thing I said was proven. And you just acknowledged over and over again in this thread that the spoken word carries no meaning for you, so you're free to say whatever you want, with no regard whatsoever for honesty or integrity. That is 100% false, like almost everything else you say about Russia, Nazis and Ukraine. The GROUPS were National Socialists, and FYI that means Nazis. No one joins a group of Nazis and commits war crimes with them without ever figuring out that they're Nazis, aside from maybe robo. 1 person that I have encountered in my life might be that stupid. FYI these aren't college kids from Vermont who don't know fascism from fornication. They live in a country where Nazis killed people. They live in a country that had its own Nazi units that fought against Russia in WWII. They know what Naziism is and they know EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS TO CALL THEMSELVES NATIONAL SOCIALISTS, AND TO WEAR NAZI INSIGNIAS AND TATTOOS. No. They did not come from far-right groups. They were national socialists, and that's a very specific crew. You're quoting people with an agenda who are lying to the greatest extent that they can to whitewash history. Here's a specific query: So you have one group who 100% identify as National Socialists, which means Nazis and not one other f'ing other thing on this planet, and they all wear insignias that are 100% Nazi in origin, and a large number of individual members of that group don't even mince words and openly call themselves "Nazis". They are Nazis. They're as Nazi as they could possibly be without actually sticking their tongues into Hitler's rectum. Yeah they used Nazi symbols.... While calling themselves "Nazis". What a f'ing coincidence. Wrong. "Historians" do not call them that. People who refuse to acknowledge that they are Nazis call them that. Left4rd: "HE THINKS THAT HEALTHY 7 MONTH OLD BABIES SHOUDN'T BE ABORTED!! THAT MEANS THAT HE'S A NAZI!!!!" Normal person: "What about that guy: He calls himself a Nazi, wears Nazi insignias, has Nazi tattoos, he's part of a military unit that identifies as Nazis, and they commits war crimes together, like rape, torture, and murdering POW's." Leftard: "No, he's not a Nazi, because he is on my side." THAT'S A F'ING 100% LIE, YOU SCUMBAG. They had NAZI TATTOOS. N A Z I T A T T O O S There were not "random extremists tattoos", they were NAZI TATTOOS. Again, they're not college kids from Vermont. They live in the Ukraine, where Nazis marched. Ukrainians have a "proud" history of having served as Nazis in WWII, to hear them tell it. They know what f'ing Nazi symbols look like, just like you know what the Canadian flag looks like. If someone says "That's a Canadian flag", when you're both looking at a Canadian flag, you don't say "That's not a Canadian flag, it's just the flag of a country in North America" do you? Stop playing semantics you f'ing clown. The UN, HRW and the US Gov't all thought that the Azovs were committing war crimes. Look at the quote below. Don't throw in the word "systematically" just so that you can make the case that "they don't commit war crimes every day, so you can't say it." If you commit a murder, you're a murderer, and you don't have to kill someone every day to retain that title. FACT: The Azovs committed "A LOT OF VERY SERIOUS WAR CRIMES." See below, regarding the Azovs specifically: What does "documented incidents" mean to you? Fairytale stuff? That is correct. Who cares? If you invite 7 islamic state terrorists to dinner and 3 girl guides, YOU STILL INVITED THE TERRORISTS! 😂 Just because the Ukrainian gov't ALSO INVITED OTHER PEOPLE doesn't mean that they never invited Nazis, dummy. I never said that the Ukrainian gov't was only inviting Nazis. But if I did, your statement would have not have been a lie. Look, this is never going to end. You're just going to keep lying no matter what, and we both know who the Azovs are.