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Yes the public education movement, including the education of Indigenous, was considered the height of progressive. Corporal punishment was in all schools and some progressives like Egerton Ryerson opposed it. The truth is that if government didn’t pay for and provide education for Indigenous, the conversation today would likely be about how deplorable it was of government to leave some children behind by not educating them based on their race. It would be called racism.

go fuck yourself you slanderous piece of shit despicable and disgusting behavior over 9000 you get on your high horse about demonizing others and you demonize others far more than anyone you accuse of doing so the hypocrisy is staggering

I was wondering when you'd show up with your narrow definition of Muslims, favored by fanatics all over the world. You are one of the worse hate/fear mongers on this forum, and I'm calling you out for it. You, along with Argus and others of your ilk, are the ones creating a space in which some unbalanced kid thinks he needs to go out and "do something" - shoot up a Mosque, or run down a family. Good on ya, please join the rest of the group in the 'people I don't want in Canada' category. Now now, don't cry - you and Argus would refuse my sister life in Canada, were it in your power, based on nothing more than your hatred of Muslims. At least my dislike of you is based on your words, and not on something irrelevant - like where you live.

My grandfather used to say: "There's his story, there's her story, and somewhere in the middle there's the truth." Leftists have no clue wtf that even means. To them any victimhood story is instantly considered gospel truth. There's never any perspective, understanding, or reason from leftists. If they had any of those things they wouldn't be leftists though, would they lol.

I excuse nothing, but you take rare and extreme examples and present them as the norm. They were not. Provide evidence to substantiate your claims. Bad things happened in all schools, more of them in residential schools. Gains? How about learning to read and write, perform basic math, learn life skills for functioning in a rapidly advancing world, and encouraging participation in an economy that would provide much higher living standards? Yes children were removed from homes by CAS due to parental neglect, abuse, and addiction. Trying to blame all of that on residential schools is a cop out, but yes, that’s going to be the narrative until facts and research become mainstream, which may be never. It’s about the punchy heart wrenching headline: 60’s Scoop, child graves. It’s not nearly as simple as that.

This graph never gets old, and perfectly illustrates the mindset of people like @Michael Hardnerand @dialamah.

I think we'd all agree that the very dumbest of leftists identify as 'woke', and that they're a little too powerful and they're getting too many of their idiotic ideas turned into law. Biological males can compete with females now, thanks to the presidolt, which isn't that much different from allowing some men to take steroids and compete against men who aren't allowed to take steroids. Will grown men soon be allowed to say "I still identify as a scrawny teen, even though I weigh 275 lbs with a BMI of 7%, so I want to be allowed to play on a grade 9 football team"? By leftist standards, that makes perfect sense. Woke people say stupid things like "all women need to be believed" and then when a conservative woman accuses a liberal of rape she's instantly considered a lying douchebag. There's a school in NYC that wants kids to stop saying "mom" and "dad", but at the same time wokies want to tell us what words we have to use to describe them. Leftists block the truth from FB and call the people who try to tell the truth racists. "Woke" literally means idiot now, just like phat and dope mean "cool".

Unless they go out into their private back yard, of course. Which my neighbor does regularly.

There's a difference between Critics of Islam and "Muslim haters". Islam is a religion that features male-dominance, homophobia and xenophobia. Some of its adherents take those precepts to extremes, using them to oppress and kill people who fail to fall into their narrow definition of "Muslim". Those people are also prone to ignore other parts of Islam, which teach tolerance and speak up against murder. Muslims are, as a group, generally more conservative than people who've been born or raised in the West. The majority of them reject the idea that murder is acceptable, or that women are not given respect. But it's pretty clear that the conservatism of Islam is played out in Islamic society, as women are restricted - sometimes severely - and being gay is not acceptable. When they move to a less religious country, these conservative beliefs will likely come with them, but studies have demonstrated that over time - two or three generations - they become more mainstream in their beliefs. vs. Muslims are fanatics; their religion tells them it's ok to beat women and to kill gays. If too many come to Canada, they'll take over - all women will have to wear hijab, and gay people won't be safe! They kill unbelievers - anyone who doesn't convert! We can't allow such barbaric people, whose belief system is still stuck in the 13th century, to come to Canada; they'll destroy our culture! Just because they come to Canada, they won't change - because their religion won't let them!

Actually, it fills me with hope that they're not able to grasp an analogy. It means they are unable to understand, not wilfully lying.

Well let’s see what investigators learn about cause of death. I can say for certain that abuse took place, but it wasn’t directed by government or religious orders, except perhaps as the corporal punishment that was standard discipline at that time. Death is upsetting, but the existence of gravesites doesn’t tell us much apart from the fact that a greater percentage of children died than die today. The separation from parents in remote areas that derived from mandatory education is sad if the families didn’t want it, but I’m sure some Indigenous thought it was worth doing. It’s hard to speak for people who are no longer here. I do know a few people who taught or practiced medicine on or near reserves in Northern Ontario. They’re not upbeat stories. Getting students to attend and participate in school was a battle. Addiction and mental health problems abounded. It’s easy to blame it all on colonialism or mistreatment by the white man, yet these friends didn’t have to work in these conditions. They did it to help and to learn more about the people they were serving. I wonder if that side of the story is getting enough attention, because some of the educators of Indigenous, yes even in residential schools, were genuinely trying to help and do good work. Yes there were cultural and other losses, yet there were gains too. Most people do their best with what they know. When we know better, we do better.

1. Weirdly, that is exactly what MH wasn't doing. 2. Weirdly, nobody blames what is written in the bible when very religious people take those beliefs to extremes, and refuse their kids medical treatment, marry multiple women, or shun/kill their son for being gay because "that's what the bible says". (yes, Christians in other lands kill gays; it's hard for too many to believe that all Christians aren't as defanged as the western version we're all familiar with). 3. Word salad. 4. Yes, it is.

And, weirdly, people also blame the Koran for "causing" violence. People quoting the Koran and calling for death to infidels is the same thing as people painting Muslims as inhumans who must be banned, exterminated.

In 50+ years, the 'new woke' folks will be looking back at the 'right now' folks of to-day, and slamming, condemning, dis-avowing everything done to-day. Get your 'victim resume' up to date . . . . learn how to cry on cue, be the 'self-righteous whiner' that others see . . . . . .BE THE VICTIM. The Government owes/owns you.

You can ask every conservative's hero... Dr. David Suzuki. Uh... what ? https://davidsuzuki.org/expert-article/what-is-economic-success-imagining-a-canada-beyond-growth/

Shrugs. Yeah, the killer is responsible for the killings. He will have to have consequences. People who spread hate and fear are responsible for the hate and fear they spread, especially when it leads to nutcases "taking action", as BCSapper said. Those people need to be called out. This applies whether the hate-spreader is preaching in a mosque, a church or online. Spreading hate/fear directed toward a specific group is connected to action by nutcases taking action against that group. I'm surprised you are denying that connection.

No, no, no you see the Nazis were just "criticizing Judaism" and ... well ... some crazies took it the wrong way

I was about to click 'like' on your post when I read this. To be fair, it wasn't like the world of today, where a kid could call the cops on their phone and get an investigation started right away with forensic evidence collected. Also, not every kid or even every school experienced sexual predation. Let's not get carried away. If a kid really tried to get a message to the police back in 1919 it would be later in the day, or week, and as we all know most of these crimes even go unreported. If a report does get filed it's more of a he said she said than anything, and you know as well as anyone that people don't even agree on what they see with their own eyes on the news. Re: Rayshard, I saw extremely polite and patient officers in a position where they had no choice but to arrest him get punched, have a taser stolen, have the first of 2 rounds in that potentially lethal taser shot at the cop's face from close up, and the cop return fire. Leftists saw a guy who fell asleep in his car get shot while he was just running away from oppressive racists. They saw a non-lethal taser, as if there is such a thing. Keep in mind those are contradictory accounts of what people saw from the exact same POV with their own eyes.

in Russia, they are celled the National Bolshevik Party, the NazBols National Socialist Stalinist's in effect Fascist Communist hybrid North Korean "Juche" would be another example

Well, if that's your stance, you are just wrong. Propaganda is effective; if it were not, genocides would not happen because genocide requires that the people being exterminated are dehumanized first. Dehumanizing requires painting the targetted group with a broad brush to demonstrate how "unlike us", immoral and dangerous they are. That paves the way for broad support to "get rid of them by any means necessary". Sure, it's not any "individual's" fault if some nutcase goes out and runs over a family. But if your voice is among those dehumanizing Muslims, then you have helped create a space in which someone can see such action as necessary. It's no different than the way the Bible or Koran create a space in which "some" people will decide it's neccessary to beat your wife or kill your gay son.

Look up how propaganda works. It's not as simple as "dialamah said X, so I did Y". It's that as my voice is added to many other voices saying the same thing, the likelihood of action by someone increases. Not to mention that saying "Islam is a misogynistic religion as evidenced by its teaching about a gender roles in society; this must be changed" is a lot different than saying "A woman in a hijab supports killing gay people". One is a criticism; the other paints with a very broad brush and is simply hate and fear-mongering.

not all Christians are fundamentalist not all Muslims are fundamentalist who knew?

just because a lot of religious extremists wear religious head garb does not mean that all who wear religious head garb are religious extremists correlation does not equal causation that is fallacious thinking, not logical thought

I always hear this tiny fraction phrase thrown about constantly. When you look at the surveys of actual opinions of the general Muslim population in the Middle East, it’s frightening.

I don't know about you, specifically, but some posters on here have said ignorant and hateful things about Muslims. They've assumed Muslims are a monolithic group, dedicated to murder of innocent people for the flimsiest of reasons. As an example, see Argus' post just above, if you wear a hijab ... you must want to kill gays/non-believers.

The idea that people of one religion wearing religious garb is proof of extremism is anecdotal too... "my friend who wears one says..." means nothing. All religions have garb, and all the great religions are sexist. It's usually the left that wants to curtain religious rights, but the extreme right-wing that wants to vilify Muslims to the point where violence against them increases. It's shameful, and anti conservative values IMO.

While you use anecdotal stories of the most extreme, presented by the media, to argue that Muslims everywhere are evil incarnate. And there you go again - betraying your Islamaphobia. That mindset is as stupid as assuming that someone who wears a cross must therefore be homophobic, believe that divorce is wrong and that women belong in the kitchen, submissive to their husband. What you believe about Islam is not based on anything but the most extreme interpretation, practiced by only a tiny fraction of all Muslims. The rest, if not for the outward sign of a woman in a hijab, would be virtually indistinguishable from a conservative Christian in their views.

just because someone wears a headscarf does not necessarily mean they support stoning homosexuals non sequitur if you assume that just because someone adheres to Christianity that they must assume the earth is 6000 years old you're going to be wrong in an absolute shit ton of cases that kind of overgeneralization is not logical

You first, Argus. Look in the mirror, examine your innermost self, and come back and tell "the left" how it is so racist. Criticizing Israeli policy toward Palestine is not the same as anti-Semitism. But I'm not surprised you can't tell the difference. And, just for the record, I condemn people who confuse Israeli policy with random Jews living in their country or neighborhood and think it's ok to attack or belittle Jews because they don't like what's going on there and blame Israel.

My brother in law refuses to have a certain couple to his home, because the one time they visited, he didn't like the way the husband treated his wife. When I brought that up as an example of a moderate Muslim, you declared either he, or I, was lying. Yah, you do. And the women who wear hijab? You claim that wearing hijab is proof positive that they're the most fanatical/extreme and don't belong in Canada. My hijab-wearing neighbor doesn't even go to Mosque, and neither does her husband. They don't care about gays or non-believers, and they think murder is wrong - especially murder in the name of Allah. Your assumptions about them, based solely on the hijab you'd see on her, betrays your mindset. So yeah, you do.

That's because they see Muslims as being unlike other humans.

I don't like Islam either. But I don't find it necessary to call adherents to Islam liars, misogynistic, fanatics, barbaric, homophobic, backward, dangerous, and constantly bring up the actions of the worst of them to characterize all of them, like the anti-Islam group on this forum do. MH is being very specific in his villification; he's not including every Canadian, or every white, non-Muslim Canadian or even every poster on this forum. His remarks is directed specifically to the people who can't understand the difference between criticizing a religion and pushing the idea that every member of that religion supports and engages in the most extreme behavior featured on the news.

I feed the crocodile in hopes that the creature will eat me last.

EXACTLY! Like I've been saying all along, people with actual hearts and good intentions were trying to help get children out of the woods and into schools and eventually universities. Not war criminals. For sure extremely bad things happened, and unfortunately, due to things like TB and smallpox, the schools were doomed before they ever opened. Still, the fact remains that the schools weren't built to be sexual exploitation centers, torture chambers or concentration camps, like every liberal article coming out in this day and age claims. Educated liberals of today are completely oblivious to the fact that in the early movement to get children educated and move them into modern society, educated liberals were at the tip of the spear.

I think it’s terrible that police didn’t protect the property at Ryerson University. Allowing people to destroy property without permission or discussion with the owners of that property is a criminal act. Ryerson did NOT found residential schools. He was a key founder of public education. Ryerson did important progressive work that all political parties supported, especially on the left. He spoke Ojibwe and did much more good than bad. He was a good man for his times who made Canada better for all. Slandering him and destroying his memory is neither honourable nor progressive. It ranks in the same category as book burning. “Ryerson spoke Ojibwe, he developed a close relationship with the Mississauga people outside of modern-day Toronto and even delivered the eulogy at the funeral of Peter Jones, a converted Ojibwe Methodist minister who had become one of Ryerson’s closest friends. And he was fervently against one of the most defining horrors of the Indian Residential School system: strict and ever-present corporal punishment.” National Post

Shoddy journalism. It's not a mass grave. It's a graveyard where children were buried for nearly a hundred years. Unmarked? This was in the far west in the middle of nowhere. There was nothing there but a trading fort and a railhead. Even in 1950 the population was less than 2,000 people. The graves were likely marked with wooden crosses and other markers but they wore away over the decades. I mean, how long does a small piece of untreated wood last when stuck in the ground in Canada?

This article brings much needed perspective: https://apple.news/AsW8YiHjrQbWemjIPfUMzhQ

Why are you attacking MH for calling out people who feel the same about Muslims as the killer in this news story? If we're to call out people for killing others because they're "different", why shouldn't Islamaphobes be called out too? Are we only allowed to call out Islam/Muslims for murdering innocents? "How disgusting Islam is as a religion doesn't change because some extremist took into his own hands to do something about it," Do you, in your heart of hearts, think this Muslim family deserved to be mowed down because their religion is disgusting?

Cougar are you in the pay of the Communist Party of China?

Looking like more hate mongers like this guy are doing what they do ... Again. Please, all of you Muslim haters on here DO step up and rationalize the murder of a family. Let's hear it again now, you have never been shy about hating Muslims before. Your team scored four yesterday, so don't be a sore winner. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/london-pedestrians-killed-man-in-custody-1.6056238

They're exactly alike. Loosely based rumour creating innuendo accepted as fact. At this point based on what we actually know if Gaetz was transporting a 17 year old for sex, Swallwell was banging a Chinese Communist spy. In fact, at this point, there may be more hard evidence suggesting the latter.

okay Cathy Newman