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This is what Trump is up against

Well I'm no expert, but I do recall from some training that the virus is smaller than the hole size in the mask, so in order to be effective it has to be a certain quality of mask. But you never know, and it doesn't hurt to wear one. Especially if a person has a precondition such as asthma, they should take every precaution. Many people are not wearing masks though, and it's either because they don't have any, or feel they don't need it and just aren't worried about the virus. Not even worried if they get it. Went into the town this morning and among the many spectacles was a front lawn with a tub full of young people sitting in it. There was about 12 guys and girls age 20 or so, sitting in an inflatable pool and having a few drinks in the morning sun. People waved to them as they went by. No masks on any of them. Interesting. Social urges trump social distancing.

Oooh sandbox insults. You must know what you’re talking about lol. How do they know that his wife has it? They must have tested her. But they don’t have a test kit for our PM? Bullshit. He’s in hiding.

Rue if you've paid attention at all you know from what I've written about fisheries management that I have no more reason to trust our government than you. Have you ever noticed when I write about turning the Telescreens around how many people don't seem to trust giving the public the capacity to monitor their governments? Some have gone so far as to charge that my suggestions are false and that I actually want to give the government more control over us. There is a very very strange psychology at work there.

Everyone likes the S. Korean approach, but few countries have the testing capacity, medical infrastructure, and willingness to go without that that country and a few others have. They moved to strict quarantine and are still shut down. It’s bizarre, some commentators are saying they don’t want the economy to be shut down as though it hasn’t happened yet. Look around. The economy is effectively shut down. The issue now is how to get back close to full capacity. The stock market, investment, and consumer spending are based on confidence. As long as we see a rise in cases instead of a significant drop, confidence and the public will to return to work will remain low. China now is poised for growth because they got to zero. All new cases have arrived by plane and are under quarantine. Whatever gets us to that point fastest is what we need to do. It seems draconian now. It won’t seem so harsh soon, when life and the rebound of our economy are at stake. Is current public health policy in Canada sufficient? I’m doubtful and think we need to go harder faster, but we’ll know soon. Just keep in mind that the economy isn’t up and running now due to fear of the virus.

I do not like Trump but fair is fair you are right.

Typical yankee talk. The Queen is fine and William appears quite capable. Chuck will become King but die quickly strangling himself with one of Camilla's panty hose and then King William will rule and all will be well.

I had to go the the corner Tim Horton's and talk to the weekend shift students who I know. They are all worried. I deliberately show up, reassure them then go home with a coffee. I just hate the unintended spread of fear. My gut says reassure people not show fear. I agree with Often W, Arm E. and Y on this issue I think South Korea and Taiwan and Singapore will be models we switch too soon, as O mentioned quick. You just can not shut down an economy past a certain point without causing more damage than the virus itself. People need spiritual support based on hope not fear. These viruses are a natural part of life and our crazy world has detached us from the rules of nature or the messages you see in the Bible. We are part of a world people fear if they think they can not control it with laws, regulations, surveillance, masks, military, police, arresting people, etc. South Korea did not do what we do in Canada because it has too many people to try lock them all up. Hey your saviour surecas hell did not hide from lepers. His entire message was of healing the sick with basic hygiene and positive reinforcement. It is why I hate that message being turned into threats to obey or die. That is what I meant earlier to you. Ironically Leviticus was a health code not a threat of punishment. It warned about how to handle meat long ago. This is..is it not... about basic hygiene and preparation of food. In my world the saviour is the potential in any human to heal the world by starting with our own behaviour with hygiene not panicking. I did not mean to sound rude before to you.

Not necessarily limited to young kids anymore.....how many I wonder, have self-quarantined themselves when they were advised to?

Yah Eye I know you do not need toilet paper. That is why they call you guys leftists. I use snow in winter, and marijuana leaves in the summer. Either way I can not feel my ass when I sit on it.

Indeed, lets not look at the mental health costs at shutting down the economy and killing social gatherings, lets just play if it saves even one life of someone with coronavirus game, all other costs are totally irrelevant. I mean any plan will look good for addressing the coronavirus if you ignore all the downsides and only factor in the potential upside, but that's stupid.

People are different. I as an introverted person have never had any problems of keeping away from other people. For some people that is something totally unthinkable. What is easy for some people is mental torture for others.

For mail and deliveries: We have a reception box at the office, doors locked. One person collects deliveries a few times a day (signs direct couriers). I go in only when the place is empty of other people. At home, we have started to put mail in a cardboard box and leave it in the garage for a day or so. Deliveries are left in the driveway for first day, then cardboard packaged stuff is unpacked outside. Plastic wrapped stuff place in back yard and turned daily to allow UV to attack possible contamination for several days. I wish I had a better way for food. We can alcohol wash/wife packaged goods, but not sure how to deal effectively with stuff such as produce. Also don't know what we will do when we run out of isopropyl. We are fortunate in that eldest daughter got box of nitrile XL gloves for me last week, so at least good for a while on that count.

South Korea was more prepared prior to the outbreak, that's why they had the resources, not because the draconian measures they did implement bought them the time to produce them. Flattening the curve did not increase their preparedness to any significant degree, but at least they were smart enough not to mandate the shut down of thier entire economy like others in a futile attempt to overdo it on the social distancing thing way too early.

The surgical masks help contain the virus if the person who has it wears one. So if everyone wears one, including people who don't think they have it (but do) it would greatly restrict the spread. The masks that will help stop YOU from getting the thing are the n95 masks. But they're not perfect, for as you note the virus is very small. The P100s will stop you from getting the disease, and are reusable. For some reason people haven't heard of them as much as they have the n95s, so they were still available long after the n95s ran out and I was able to pick one up a couple of weeks ago.

Knowledgeable people claim they are ineffective. I am not sure if that is right in this day and age, but it's what I've read and heard. Furthermore, I've only been told by my authorities to do normal things like wash hands regularly and maintain social distancing. Evidence that masks are not needed. There's already a glimmer on the horizon that people are conceeding this amount of shutdown is not the right kind of response. We'll see how it bends the ongoing virus-virtue as the economy continues to bleed to death by attrition.

And shutting down the economy doesn't get us back on our feet the fastest, not shutting down the economy on the other hand does get us back on our feet the fastest. Social distancing stretches out the length the problem will endure for, it does not speed it up, flattening the curve means the problem goes on longer because the infections are spread out over time.

Except none of that is being done, there isn't enough time to make up for the lack of preparation, or lack of resources. Stalling for few weeks or months will not result in that problem magically going away, the system is still going to be swamped, all you did was change the timing on when that happens, and you destroyed the economy on top of it, to no useful effect. Not great, Bob. South Korea was smart enough not destroy their economy yet, proving that if you don't shut down the economy, the sky isn't going to fall like you think it is, or the sky would have fallen on South Korea already.

Methinks that you think I said something very different from what I actually said.

South Korea is apparently the only country on Earth that has handled this crisis in a manner that could be called properly. I think a better question is whether electorates and opposition parties have handled the crisis properly. All in all I'd say most have seen fit to just quibble according to the luxury of hindsight while casting and cultivating a sense of doubt that's probably more harmful than constructive. Partisanship as usual seems to direct much of the criticism of Canada's response. Can't wait for the partisanship the economic recovery will be saturated with.

The lack of gay rights in Britain killed the one man who arguably did more to win the war than any other person including Churchill. A man called Alan Turing who was chemically castrated and comitted suicide as a result of prosecution for merely wanting to have same sex relationships.

Her Majesty doesn't suffer from narcissistic personality disorder though.

Sure...you predicted Obama and Bush too, right ?

Wishing for populism in Canada, eh ?

Cheers I like my Corona with a twist of lemon...

It's pointed satire. The movie is hilarious.

I think this cuts to the heart of the matter regardless of what Trump or others did or didn't do. Justin Trudeau has not demonstrated the ability to place Canadians at the highest priority for this and other issues. As you indicate, his actions demonstrate not only a continuing virtue signaling narrative for political gain, but an underlying belief system that may be incompatible with making the hard choices for Canadians' interests. Justin Trudeau does not have the same stuff as his "just watch me" father.

LOL. BUSTED!!!!

Well of all the reasons not to have kids, bad things might happen to them is a fairly silly one. The sky is falling so don't have kids, very SIFCLF.

I do not agree that this anyone's fault. Looking for scapegoats is pointless. I hate Trudeau as a politician but to blame him for what is happening is pointless. He is doing what he is being advised to do. He is doing his best.

You can find lists of the "many" economic accomplishments he takes credit for but never on these partisan lists will you find any mention of the deficit under his reign: https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/02/09/trumps-federal-budget-deficit-1-trillion-and-beyond/#6b96e516544f His supporters will produce list upon list of his accomplishments but when you fact check them ooops…….. https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/ Oh but wait. Biden called a poor little girl a dog faced pony. Owe Mah-eye Gawwwwd. I mean how unstable. But Trump insult anyone...who Donald?....ahahah….here is just a partial list of people he's insulted on twitter which is a great accomplishment and of course makes him more qualified than Biden: https://www.thewrap.com/everyone-donald-trump-has-insulted-since-taking-office-photos/ But wait. This is a man you can trust. Trump lie? Who Trump?..... https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/trump-has-told-more-than-10000-lies-since-being-inaugurated-washington-post One of the reasons we Canadians should want him re-elected is because ofhis brilliant insights about Canada: https://www.nationalobserver.com/2016/07/07/opinion/stupid-things-trump-has-said-about-canada Also I mean come one...he has a glowing record of human resources accomplishments....this is what makes a great leader: https://www.businessinsider.com/who-has-trump-fired-so-far-james-comey-sean-spicer-michael-flynn-2017-7 He also is a man who has a great memory unlike that demented Biden: https://thefederalist.com/2016/03/24/10-things-trump-said-but-says-he-didnt/ Now wait a second....he also shares a unique characteristic with very few Presidents, Johnson and Clinton to be specific...being sent to the Senate for impeachment....wow...that's a great accomplishment. But hey now he is according to himself the greatest President ever and according to Wes, Often, Shade E,., BeeC (she is not a Trump supporter ahahahahah), et al, he is a miracle worker with the economy and a role model for the kind of mental agility we want in the white house...I mean come on look at his economic record..... "One reason for declining life expectancy in America is what Anne Case and Nobel laureate economist Angus Deaton call deaths of despair, caused by alcohol, drug overdoses, and suicide. In 2017 (the most recent year for which good data are available), such deaths stood at almost four times their 1999 level.3 The only time I have seen anything like these declines in health – outside of war or epidemics – was when I was chief economist of the World Bank and found out that mortality and morbidity data confirmed what our economic indicators suggested about the dismal state of the post-Soviet Russian econo Trump may be a good president for the top 1% – and especially for the top 0.1% – but he has not been good for everyone else. If fully implemented, the 2017 tax cut will result in tax increases for most households in the second, third, and fourth income quintiles. The tax cuts were supposed to spur a new wave of investment. Instead, they triggered an all-time record binge of share buybacks – some $800 billion in 2018 – by some of America’s most profitable companies, and led to record peacetime deficits (almost $1 trillion in fiscal 2019) in a country supposedly near full employment. And even with weak investment, the US had to borrow massively abroad: the most recent data show foreign borrowing at nearly $500 billion a year, with an increase of more than 10% in America’s net indebtedness position in one year alone. Likewise, Trump’s trade wars, for all their sound and fury, have not reduced the US trade deficit, which was one-quarter higher in 2018 than it was in 2016. The 2018 goods deficit was the largest on record. And despite Trump’s vaunted promises to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US, the increase in manufacturing employment is still lower than it was under his predecessor, Barack Obama, once the post-2008 recovery set in, and is still markedly below its pre-crisis level. Even the unemployment rate, at a 50-year low, masks economic fragility. The employment rate for working-age males and females, while rising, has increased less than during the Obama recovery, and is still significantly below that of other developed countries. The pace of job creation is also markedly slower than it was under Obama.2 Again, the low employment rate is not a surprise, not least because unhealthy people can’t work. Moreover, those on disability benefits, in prison – the US incarceration rate has increased more than sixfold since 1970, with some two million people currently behind bars – or so discouraged that they are not actively seeking jobs are not counted as “unemployed.” But, of course, they are not employed. Nor is it a surprise that a country that doesn’t provide affordable childcare or guarantee family leave would have lower female employment – adjusted for population, more than ten percentage points lower – than other developed countries. Even judging by GDP, the Trump economy falls short. Last quarter’s growth was just 2.1%, far less than the 4%, 5%, or even 6% Trump promised to deliver, and even less than the 2.4% average of Obama’s second term. That is a remarkably poor performance considering the stimulus provided by the $1 trillion deficit and ultra-low interest rates. This is not an accident, or just a matter of bad luck: Trump’s brand is uncertainty, volatility, and prevarication, whereas trust, stability, and confidence are essential for growth. So is equality, according to the International Monetary Fund." source for the above: https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/grim-truth-about-trump-economy-by-joseph-e-stiglitz-2020-01 But hey now one thing we do on Trump threads is when the actual economic success of Trump is revealed for what it is...a crock of shit.. a litany of lies...we just dismiss anything that doesn't promote the Trump agenda as "lies" and "hatred". Poof it no longer exists in the world of Trump fantasy where anything that does not worship Trump is a lie and we attack the person who says it personally as a liar and hey we go in front of crowds and mimic cerebral palsy and ask Latinos where they were born, and create fantasies about creating employment for blacks. L to R: Wes, BC, Often Wrong, Shady