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It IS burdensome, and more so to cultures that are actually under threat. Both aboriginal and French culture have been suppressed and systematically marginalized by dominant cultures, and the Canadian culture has been also. How a society sees values, sex education being part of that, is very important to them. I thought about this a long time ago and came to the following conclusions on my own values: - All cultures naturally melt and meld together and eventually fade away - Preserving history is a good thing - If you want to promote a culture, it's better to do so with positive actions rather than restricting/suppressing others - Managing all the contradictions in these statements to produce an agreeable result is difficult politics, but good things are often difficult to achieve

To some of us, this is just another footnote in history, but to my darling wife, it is a sad reminder of what one of her beloved aunts survived. She also suffered serious health problems directly as a result of her time there, as no doubt many others did. Sometimes I worry that the constant and consistent rehash of the Holocaust risks fomenting the anger of the skinhead types, and that is no doubt true. But, if you have EVER heard first hand accounts of the Nazi death camps or for that matter the Japanese occupation of China (as I have), then you know that these stories really MUST be told.

The Roman Catholic Church is riddled with criminal, homosexual, pedophile Priests who pray on young boys. If a parent sends his/her young son to the RC Church are they in fact committing a child-abuse. They know about the homo Priests so it is child abuse. Isn't it?

I can agree that there is a considerable amount of contradictory information about the Holocaust on the interwebs, but that can be said of ANYTHING. My take on the whole affair comes from a few very first hand observers. For one, of course, my wife's Aunt. She was there, in a camp and was a first hand witness and victim of so many atrocities. I have absolutely no doubt about her credibility nor her accuracy. The second, strangely, would be one of my recently deceased very close friends. Hitler Yugen - a genuine Nazi. NEVER did he ever even suggest that there was anything but a slaughter of millions in the death camps of his youth (he was a driver for the SS in early teens, so once again, an eye witness WITHOUT any pro-Jewish bias...quite the contrary). Finally, another very close friend with whom we will celebrate his 98th birthday in 9 weeks (we usually do this while participating in closing runs at nearby ski hill.). He was a USAF sergeant at the end of the war and occupational force member for almost 2 years. Once more, a first hand account from a highly credible source who was actually on hand for camp liberation, support of survivors and some relocation. The mere suggestion that somehow these events did not take place, or were in any way less of an atrocity than history has very well documented is exactly WHY this story must be told. Were there other victims? Sure as Hell were, and once again, these are very well documented. BUT: the question from TM was not denial of the Holocaust (I think) but why is it that the Jewish side of the story is so well told and persistant while other victims seem to be forgotten? The answer, IMHO, is pretty simple: the Jewish population was the well documented primary target in the "Final Solution", and within their culture, the story has been very well preserved and related to the HUGE ongoing issue of displacing a massive surviving population to yet another hostile location. The amount of organization to do this is significant. Why do the Founding Fathers of the USA still have such great coverage and presence in our everyday lives? Just a few tiny skirmishes with the Brits and a handfull of smart guys who wrote a bit of good documentation. BUT: the end result has been a great nation, thus the events and people that defined it loom far greater in our rear view mirror. Add to that the financial success of the Jewish community IN the USA and their disproportionate presence in the ownership of the print and electronic media that shape our everyday opinions. If the Roma, for instance, want some kind of similar high profile for their suffering at the hands of the Nazis, they are quite free to buy a few publishing and broadcasting networks and have at it. Curiously, I too had a German girlfriend all through high school. The difference is that we were raised on military bases, and my girlfriend's Dad (and a few other friend's Fathers) were on the opposite side of many battles from other Fathers on that same base. It wasn't all that long after the war, and we boomers were to say the least, surrounded by WWII history and people. While there was a small amount of open hostility, and a large amount of discrimination, at NO TIME was there ever any great fuss over the Holocaust either to validate or deny the events. I feel and felt that a lot of this was left unsaid at the time out of respect for the victims and the desire of our parents to spare us from the horrors of that war. I say this in support of the previous paragraph: the survivors and their cultural mates were busy recovering, not yet able to organize and "advertise".

If they’re almost non-existent than it won’t be a big deal making them illegal then. There can always be an exception made for the life of the mother.

No abortion should be allowed only when it is a fetus which scientifically proven to be the first few months and must NOT be allowed the last 3 months of pregnancy. It is a women's choice up to a point. If the women cannot make up her mind till the final 3 months when the fetus is a living baby with heartbeat then it is not her body anymore to have a control over. It is a separate entity in her body and someone else's body and life. Her baby.

Impeachment isn't popular, the Republicans will gain from Democrats bringing it back up, if the Dems do so, they do so at their own peril. The Dems can't successfully blame Senate Republicans for not doing the House Dems job for them. House Dems will suffer far more than Senate Republicans, the electorate will blame Democrats for not getting enough witnesses, not Republicans. You are engaging in wishful thinking that this hurt Republicans and helps Democrats. Projecting your own views on the American electorate will lead to faulty analysis, and most swing voters in swing states in particular do not see impeachment the way you do. Impeachment is a loser for the Democrats.

So why have you not started a thread? Go on start one.

You now twice feel it necessary twice to state other people other than Jews died in the holocaust. Interestingly no one suggested or stated otherwise. Your need to state the above lends to the appearance you are trying to engaging in a passive aggressive exercise of downplaying the significance of why and how Jews were targeted and died in the holocaust. Show some integrity and start a thread denying or trivializing the holocaust. I am sure Taxme will join you.

It was formed to include Germany not simply contain it. The first move was the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) agreed between France and West Germany in 1951. It then progressed to the Treaty Of Rome in 1957 between France, West Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg in order to reduce the economicaly harmful isolation caused by archaic trade laws which left Europe weak against the huge trade block of the United States. The European Economic Comunity (EEC) also known as the common market followed a year later in 1958. The collapse of trade with Britain's former Empire left the UK isolated and economically weak. The UK was desperate to join the Common Market but was blocked by France under De Gaulle in the 60's. By the time we were allowed to join in the early 70's Britain was an economic basket case. That is the economic history lesson that the petty, nationalistic, Little Englanders refuse to acknowledge with their desire to return to a sovereignty which was never actually lost.

Yep. Full term abortions are an abomination and are tantamount to murder. Anyone that supports this practice is a supporter of infantice.

You miss the whole point of the EU. It is not there to talk about ''enemies'' it is for the mutual benefit of its member states. It seeks to abandon the outdated ideas of ''us and them''. It has brought unprecidented levels of peace and prosperity in Europe. The UK was known as the sick man of Europe before it joined and the benefits gained from membership brought it up to the position of 4th largest GDP in the world. Along with those economic benefits it brought advances in worker's rights, environmental regulations and shared ideals. As for your last paragraph, opposing the poison of identity politics and shallow nationalistic ideals are why it came into being in the first place. The second world war and its racial purity horrors should never be repeated and cooperation and mutual advancement are what the union strives for.

Your first sentence is illogical. The Democrats did what they were constitutionally permitted to do. The Republicans first denied Trump engaged in a quid pro quo, then when evidence showed he did and more was coming, switched from denying he engaged in a quid pro quo, to a "so what" defense arguing he can without limit engage in quid pro quos. It didn't stop there-with the exception of two Republican Senators, now the entire Republican senate would have us believe their oath to engage in a neutral impeachment process can be violated because they can use quid pro quo. You see no irony in the fact that the very Republican supporters of Trump so quick to deny he engaged in a quid pro quo engaged in quid pro quo to abandon and abdicate their roles as US Senators they took an oath to uphild. Better still you portray McConnell as kicking ass. Lol. In this prison Mitch is a bottom boy or beeyatch. Aint nothing kick ass about bein a butt boy BC.. WCome on down from la la land all that koolaid drinkin and get real girl. Mitch bein someone's butt plug aint kickin ass... its given ass. Man that smile on Mitch's face after bein plugged by Donny in prison, its down right creepy man. You worship dat? Yowza. Mitch gonna be leakin for weeks probably right up to his next election. But he probably don't care. He gonna retire and hand his suit over to some new boy stains and all.

1. My point of view is ethnocentric ? I am just responding to your concerns about ethnicity so ? Your opening sentence: "The Quebecers de souche seem to be in a terrible hurry to get extinct" 2. What are you talking about ? "Only blacks" ? What ? 3. Ok, so it sounds like you want to be free to look at female faces you like, and free to find black people ugly or so it sounds. Well you have that freedom. 4. Yes - the reason governments haven't sought to exclude peoples and whole cultures is that people don't want it, and there are no objective benefits. You could argue that Japan has de facto done this though. 5. No race is in the process of getting extinct, unless they all are. That's thousands of years in the making and thousands more to go. I advise you to prioritize your issues, especially your personal ones. And... All of this is a sidebar to the topic at hand - sex education in Quebec being excused for religious people, and that option being taken by the parents of 200 Muslims. That is religious freedom, which is part of the cultural aspect you describe. Our freedom allows you to hold your fringe views, and now you even have a party that gives you and the other 1.7% who believe, a home for such traditional and dead ideas.

Maybe things like "data" and "thinking" aren't your strongest points. The US doesn't have the highest median income in the world (I haven't the foggiest clue what "per median income is") but it does have one of the highest poverty rates in the developed world. Over 20% of kids live in poverty. https://data.oecd.org/inequality/poverty-rate.htm

We need something on the books. Canada’s abortion laws might as well be China’s.

Here are the stats on rate of abortion by gestation stage: https://www.arcc-cdac.ca/backrounders/statistics-abortion-in-canada.pdf https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/canadian_abortion_statistics/ Z am I wrong..I get the idea from your thread you believe that because an abortion is no longer a criminal offence, late term pregnancies are simply a matter of asking for one. Its not the case at all: https://maggiegordon.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/gestational-limits-on-abortion-in-canada-disproving-anti-choice-rhetoric/

Just what the Founding Fathers envisioned for America's future presidents? Constitutionally the Senate failed to do it's job and is expecting American's and history to not notice.

Sure it does, but not on any of their aircraft since before I can remember, a much safer record than say, most other middle eastern countries, most western countries.... My point is this, I'm not saying these techniques are the end all be all, what I'm saying is they are better than the tools we have right now, and if the only prevent one attack , then it is money and time well invested. I don't want government to solve these problems I want them to provide the will to fund and train those hired into these jobs....thats all...And saying there is no problem well, thats just sticking your head in the sand, troops that went over to Syria to pick Justins 30,000 new Canadians had very little screening, or security back ground checks done, because it was impossible to do in the time frame they had, I get it , that was a one off situation, but it would not matter if those interviews were done in Canada, they did not have access to the proper info they needed to do back ground checks....so I know you don't like this solution of interviews, what is the proper tool to make sure we are at least providing some sort of security back ground check ? … And if something does happen, and the question is asked what are we doing in regards to vetting incoming people into the country.... would you accept stop putting your faith into the government to solve security problems, and we did not want to waste resources because it produces little results, as answers to your question WHY is it your family is now gone , victim to an attack.. And perhaps I am naïve, as I have no experience in the immigration of customs field, but I'm sure like ever government dept. in Canada that is starved of funding and training , that one of their recommendations would be for the government to find the will to do something about this issue, and let the experts seek out the solutions.

What give up my viagra?

The worst part about Modest's argument is about the race preservation part.

Those terrorist attacks don't come from people who have passed the interviews.

I have a Jewish aunt by marriage that was aboard the MS St Louis. She ended-up in France and apparently got aboard the final ship out to the USA before Case Yellow started. She made it to NYC and still lives their to this day. There are many video recordings of her telling her experiences, already. Plus she does things for local schools in that regard. But, she's getting very old. A notable thing she did...other than survive...was act as a consultant for the movie Voyage of the Damned. But, the Voyage of the St Louis is nothing compared to what happened later. Then, there's my erstwhile German uncle who was in the SS (Obersturmführer...or Lieutenant) and knee deep in the Holocaust in the Balkans/Hungary. He was captured by the British while trying to get to Switzerland (after ditching the uniform), but cheated a death sentence by knowing several languages including English. This allowed him to be a trial translator in turn for a POW sentence in Canada at a place called Seebe, Alberta. There the POWs...mainly officers...were put to logging until released. He never left Canada. He died in the 1980s, but I'm sure they'd have made a fuss about him being here these days seeing how they go after ancient camp guards and such still. I still have the medals he managed to keep. I was also surprised to find looking on Yad Vashem...that I had lost over a dozen German relatives to the Holocaust despite not being Jewish. However, marrying Jewish girls was enough to get you hauled away as problematic by the Gestapo. Germany & Austria...perhaps a few others...mark all these citizens....Jewish and non-Jewish...that were victims of the SS with brass tiles known as Stolperstein...stumbling stones. All the ones I found were sent to the Minsk ghetto where they were apparently liquidated in several 'aktions'...where SS men came into the ghetto and just shot everyone.

The sad reality is we have not learned very much from history , we still have war, and all of its evil........in fact we spend more on war than any other endeavor man has taken on in our entire history.. Infact we have a clock that try's to predict how much time we have left on this planet before we wipe each other out... if our actions are any indicator we have not learned much from our past...