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As far as I've been able to determine the only death attributed to them is when one of them stabbed another one to death about twenty years ago. There have been no actual terrorist incidents or events attributed to them. The inclusion of these two groups was done to further the fear the Liberals are trying to stoke of the far right, even as they attempt to associate the Conservative Party with the far right.

No worries....Canada values peace and order over civil rights including freedom of expression. The Gay Pride parades and rainbow flags celebrated in Canada today came from violent riots and protests in the United States (e.g. Stonewall). By controlling "hate speech" and banning groups from social media the government hopes to stop any such uprisings. What they don't understand is that conflict and "hate" are the currency and energy of social media platforms to drive clicks and ad revenue. Routine Canadian politics is otherwise quite boring. Like sex, conflict sells.

My friend said the same thing only he said his people should have implemented that policy 500 years ago.

Or we could just stop bringing in immigrants who want to dress up in religious outfits. Then the ones here would probably get tired of it.

Hate is also becoming an overused word, like 'fascist' and 'racist'. You can want immigration to be lowered without 'hating' immigrants.

It doesn't take a genius to think about it a bit: The RCMP reported on 'Indigenous women murdered where the offender was identified'. That means ... The RCMP reported only on cases solved. What's their rate of solving? They did not even say what percentage of cases were still unsolved. Raging partners are careless. (Solved?) Serial killers are careful. (Unsolved?) Vancouver PD 'didn't notice' that women were going missing. Pickton farm is in RCMP jurisdiction. At least 49 women died there, majority Indigenous, before either VPD or RCMP ever investigated. It's much easier to identify offenders on small remote reserves where everybody knows the partners and victims, and all are Indigenous. No conclusions can yet be drawn ... except perhaps that RCMP can more easily identify offenders who kill their partners than they can anonymous predators and serial killers.

Oh God, as if progressive give a damn about justice.

I appreciate you digging into the weeds on this and being specific. Cultural genocide is much more arguable than the broader term genocide, which is misleading and inflammatory. Policies were enacted, particularly the Indian Act, that treated Indigenous people as second class citizens. These policies have changed and it’s important to remember both that, for First Nations, there has always been the question of whether Indigenous groups wish to consider themselves Canadians and there are financial benefits to having Indian status, not just free land. That’s why the larger discussion of how to improve Indigenous affairs is problematic. Who decides what constitutes improvement and who pays for it? If it’s really about self-reliance and self-government, the government is encouraging that. If it’s about transfer of more taxpayer income to Indigenous affairs, particularly if the request is being made without any conditions of accountability attached, an informed public is unlikely to support that for sensible reasons. On the particular matter of Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women, there are policies that should be enacted right away, such as the ombudsman, police training, and far better outreach and protections for women on and off reserves. Those may have additional costs attached to them that are well worth paying. Don’t drag guaranteed basic income, land claims, or wider discussions about how many more services and benefits government should provide the population. Those are outside the purview. Their inclusion seems ideological and will simply get people’s backs up, even though some of those items certainly warrant consideration for a host of reasons.

Most Canadians don't know that genocide isn't just murder, but can also be a sustained and devious campaign of removal of rights, removal of children, maintaining conditions of life that are destructive to Indigenous Peoples. But Canada's governments knew that: http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-threatened-to-abandon-1948-accord-if-un-didnt-remove-cultural-genocide-ban-records-reveal "Canada was ready to abandon 1948 accord if UN didn’t remove ‘cultural genocide’ ban, records reveal" In fact, Canada did not sign on to the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in 1948. First, in 1951 Canada's government amended the 'Indian' Act to remove 1880 ban on Indigenous ceremonies and dance, ban on access to the courts for redress by Indigenous Peoples, and other laws that repressed Indigenous lives, rights and cultures. https://canadianhistory.ca/natives/timeline/1950s/1951-revised-indian-act The revisions to the Indian Act passed in 1951 encompassed something of a revolution in the treatment of Natives by the Canadian government. Having cleaned up the laws somewhat, Canada finally signed the UN Convention on Genocide in 1952. Canada was then bound to pass a domestic law against genocide ... but still did not do so until 2000 (Prime Minister Paul Martin), 4 years after the last of Canada's government run 'Indian' Residential Schools closed (Saskatchewan 1996).) Obviously, by their own actions, our governments knew in 1948, 1952 and until 2000 that they were committing genocide: acts committed or omitted with "intent to destroy" Indigenous Peoples' "as such" - their cultures and land rights. Canada always intended to eliminate Indigenous Peoples "as such", to take full control of traditional Indigenous lands ... Btw ... the UN did not include "cultural genocide" as a category, but covered it in the "acts" of genocide instead: Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

There was only one such report (repeated everywhere): RCMP data on offenders in their jurisdictions (ie, doesn't include cities) who were identified. It doesn't say how many women were murdered whose killers weren't caught. (Serial killers are better at hiding bodies perhaps?) It doesn't include women reported missing who were never found. The RCMP data are being overgeneralized, to dismiss and deny police and state incompetence and intentional negligence.

It does not say the genocide is specific to the murder of these woman at all. What it says is that the government's cavalier neglect in trying to solve these murders and cases of missing indigenous women was part of a much broader decades long pattern and its that which constitutes genocide.

But clearly it does. The report specifically says that this is genocide against the FN. And yet every other goddam report ever done about the issue, govt and independent, has reached the same conclusion; The vast majority of First Nations women who are murdered, are murdered by First Nations men. This aligns closely with all other represented ethnicities in Canada. Females are predominantly murdered by males of their own ethnic group. If you're murdering your own "kind" then it's not genocide. Period!

Which are right-wingers - as evidenced by the rich getting richer and the powerful becoming more powerful during their term of office. Your expectations are based on the way your knees jerk.

Some of the more amusing memes this has generated:

What contrasting opinions would you like? The Conservative party has taken to hiding under their desks in terror someone will ask them what the think about the genocide thing. They've clearly been ordered to say nothing which might offend the progressives, especially the ones in media. It reminds me of the old Progressive Conservatives, so desperately apologetic and completely incapable of even trying to defend conservative beliefs or stand up to the Left.

The problem for Canada is that the Indians don't have an ANC. Not that I think the ANC is not corrupt and all that, but they are at least capable of governing. Thing about the really impoverished reserves, they are so broken that they don't even want to be "freed". I'd repeal the Indian Act tomorrow, but the Indians would refuse, because they really have become dependent, they don't have property rights, but in many cases they refuse them, they demand to be governed in these collectivist Bantustans, can't save somebody who refuses the Declaration of Independence, even when it's handed to them.

Don't get me wrong, it upsets me as much as it upsets you, to see vulnerable impoverished girls beaten, raped and killed. But two things you learn, as an armed agent of the state at the sharp end. 1. You can't save everybody. Particularly when you have to save them from themselves. 2. The state is a blunt instrument, no matter how good your intentions, it all comes down to force in the end, and it will end up as brute force. When it comes to internecine warfare, whether that's Yugoslavs, or Indians, you have to compartmentalize, otherwise you'll get PTSD. Like I say, you could go in with JTF2, and they certainly could start taking the "bad guys" out, but then the women would start wailing that you killed their husbands, it's domestic violence, state force will end up as agrescit medendo, the cure is worse than the disease. This is why the Mounties can't stop it, if the Mounties try to intervene preemptively, they will end up being castigated as the villains for that, and they know it.

I don’t disagree. I just feel badly for the girls. You can’t win. Change has to come from within those communities. Police are perceived as outsiders and past mistreatment or neglect by police has created distrust. I mean some of these places can be scary. I still remember my friend telling me how he visited a reserve, partied, and some guy pulled out a machete and pushed him out a window. Not exactly Mayberry.

No matter how many studies and inquiries there, there will never be any satisfaction for most people The missing and murdered aren't coming back, won't be found, and the mystery of their disappearance will remain unsolved, including all the missing Native men. Due to the nature of reserve life, the isolation, the secrecy, and the mistrust of authority, there likely won't be any change any time soon, perhaps never - until the Natives get off the reserves and integrate into the mainstream Canadian lifestyle as the main issue is living on unsustainable isolated reserves with no financial accountability.

Agree with much of your post . . . The one thing that bothers me about Maxime Bernier however is that he couldn't see that he'd be so much more effective in the Conservative cabinet than trying to sway 'the west' as just another politician from Quebec. He could have sandbagged Sheer from within the party . . . Most everyone can see that Scheer just doesn't have the 'royal jelly' that a Maxime Bernier has. Maxime Bernier had a temper tantrum when he should have been Scheer's stalker from within . . . . bad move Maxime !

gen·o·cide /ˈjenəˌsīd/ the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. I think it's appropriate to say that genocide did take place during the conquest and colonization of the Americas. However, I do agree that this report is self-serving, purposely exaggerated as it's a tactic to get the female voters to continue to vote for the Liberals. Haven't been on facebook in a while, but I can imagine the images being passed around by the suburban housewives. I can also see the extremists on the other side of this conversation - many of whom reside on this forum - trying to push aside the broken system which contributes to a broken culture and ethnic group that the European settlers created with their actions. We need to acknowledge that we fucked the natives over throughout history and this was never okay.

That report is from 2015, produced under pressure after the RCMP were under several years of scrutiny and publicity for not investigating reports of missing Indigenous women, and investigating murdered Indigenous women poorly. The stats you cited refer to are based on only 32 cases they investigated in 2013 & 2014, under considerable public pressure. The RCMP have no stats on complaints they didn't bother to record and cases they didn't bother to investigate. It took a lot of public pressure for RCMP and other police forces to even start investigating. They've found some serial killers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Tears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_and_murdered_Indigenous_women