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Correct. Yet God can cure instead of kill but always chooses the satanic moral ground and kills instead of cures. I suppose, to you, God torturing King David's baby for 6 days before finally murdering it is ok. Right? You likely do not see that your beliefs have corrupted your moral sense. The S.S. were like you with Hitler. Regards DL

Christians are use to murder of the young ....so abortion shouldn't bother you to bad. God allowed the first-born to be killed as a judgment upon Pharaoh as a proof of God's superiority

Donald Trump (or any U.S. president) is not the leader of the free world....they are leaders of American interests. Canada and Germany have been NATO deadbeats for decades...long before Trump. Cheers

And that's exactly why Palestinians are fighting back.

You've got it backwards as usual. Trying to depict Gaza as a gift is like calling the Warsaw Ghetto a resort.

It's amazing to me how something so one-sided is pushed to be seen as two-sided. Palestinians, especially the ones in Gaza are held in an open-aired prison. They have no control over their borders, air and the sea. They have no control over what goes in and out of their tiny piece of land. They are surrounded by a trigger happy military who is backed by a criminal government.

Actual data and evidence from around the world clearly demonstrate that abortion rates go down when abortion is made legal and contraception is easily available to women. So who "prefers to be stupid"? The people who pay attention to data and evidence or those who don't?

Should have called this thread Right Pride. Its not the media that caused conservatives to identify with and insinuate themselves into the tiny number of wealthy powerful influential people that people in power always gather around themselves - conservatives chose to be the useful obsequious idiots they've become. One would hope.

I'm not sure if this belongs here or not. It certainly involves politics. But more than that involves culture and society. It was provoked by Trudeau appearing on TV this morning. I despise Trudeau, so I turned the channel, and watched and interview on MSNBC with Jonah Goldberg on his book Suicide of the West. A lot of what he spoke of crystallized a lot of what I've been thinking – and is even related to the loserboy who ran down those people on the street the other day. There are a lot of lost boys in the West. We are, by nature, a social, tribal people. It's in our instincts, in our genes. We need to be a part of something greater than us. We need something to give meaning to our lives. If it's not our tribe then it's our God. But what happens when God is gone and spirituality has disappeared? When the Soviets tried to get rid of religion they substituted the state as an object of veneration and worship. We're getting rid of religion but what do we substitute it with? The state? In the West, the state is an object of contempt. We don't teach our history as a glorious tale of survival, conquest, expansion and improvement so as to make its members proud, but as a series of woeful tales about how we exploited and oppressed and killed and abused. Nothing there to take pride in! The Left insists we have no culture (except Quebec), though it has a deep respect for the cultures of others. Trudeau calls us the first 'post nation state', and says we have no 'core identity'. And anyway, whenever he speaks of Canada as an entity it is to revile it, except to speak glowingly of all the newcomers and our diversity and multiculturalism, of course. As Goldberg pointed out, Capitalism has, over the last couple of hundred years, provided us with immense wealth. We are the richest people there has ever been in the history of the world. We are by far the most enlightened, have the most freedom, the most opportunity. But all we hear from the likes of Trudeau is that we're a horrible, racist society with a horrible history of oppression and war. All that politicians and activists and media ever tell us is how bad things are, how violent, how outrageous are certain people's conduct, how violent are certain places. They all give us the impression the world, our world, is sinful, wicked and falling apart. No one ever says anything good, or says anyone should be grateful for living in a golden era. Masses of people are unhappy and depressed. We are the most medicated society in the history of he world. And the most entitled. Most adapt to all this, to one degree or other, but not all, particularly not all men. They're lost. They have no tribe to belong to, no spirituality to centre them, and can find no meaning in their lives. They seek false prophets and saviors like Donald Trump, or band together in little groups of angry men who despise what society has become and blame it on feminists and foreigners and Jews, or some great dark, sinister conspiracy. Call them the alt-right, or those most vulnerable to populists, or just bewildered people who don't have a place. Without a tribe, without a core identity, we're all simply individuals, writing our own story, and nothing else matters but us. We are alone, without the big families or even the big extended families or tribes to be a greater part of, alone on Facebook and other social media sites with like minded people trying to make them into the tribe we lack, judging our lives by 'likes' and other signs of approval. That is what gives rise to people like him, who seek a brief moment of glory in expressing their rage at a system they don't understand and are lost within.

What if you have no family? Your parents had one kid, and you're it. Your father had one brother, who is childless. Your mother had no siblings. Where are you going to find strength and focus in a family that doesn't exist? Because the motivation for this social engineering is a desire for equality of outcomes, not equality of opportunity. That's why we penalize Asians, making it harder for them to get into universities, for example, and then lower the requirements for Blacks. It's why we hire and promote people for their skin colour or gender, not because they're the best. The latest idiocy of the Trudeau mob involves a special trade mission to the world on behalf of gays and lesbians, and then another just for women. Why? Trade is trade. The Liberals are trying to divide everyone up into group and so they can curry favour with those groups and get votes. So much preening and virtue signaling about how wonderful they are. Our idiot of a foreign minister has even called for a meeting of female foreign ministers. Uh, why? I wonder what her response would be if another (Male) foreign minister called for a meeting of male foreign minsters - no women wanted. He's unfortunately not alone. Go to one of our national museums. Look at the courses they're teaching in college or even grade school. Anything related to history is full of sob stories about how horrible we were to this or that identity group. There's nothing in there designed to instill pride in anyone for being a member of this nation or society. After all, Canada is horrible! It's got poverty and racism and sexism and misogyny and islamophobia and is built on the oppression of natives and the destruction of the environment! Oh woe, woe is us! Be depressed Be ashamed! Hang your head in misery!

I posted my thoughts on the fact that technology and society's apathy have enabled self-cocooning - it's a serious issue that's getting worse, not better. I have a more positive outlook on our future but it depends on decades of leadership. You don't need religion to live a contributing and charitable life. There's a lot to be said for the equivalent of the Ten Commandments and rules of life from other religions. Remove the Icons and teach the Rules of Life. Strength and focus for society HAS to be found in family - it's common sense - survival. Rules of Life and Family - that's our ongoing saviour. Now - over to Trudeau and the various flavours of globalism. Again - common sense says that if we can survive, in 100, 200, 500 or 1000 years the human race will be largely homogenous. Nothing can stop the natural evolution to a completely mixed-race society. What frustrates me is that we have powerful forces trying to shoe-horn social engineering homogenization onto a public that is nowhere near ready to accept it. We have countries that are less that a century old. We have millions, if not billions of people that are only recently removed from tribal life. Heck, our Canadian media now looks down its nose on the US - supposedly the best of friends. Too many countries and peoples need to embrace democracy and build confidence in their collective ability to move forward. It takes time, patience and a little grease in the gears. With the acceleration of technology, it is going to be harder and harder to keep people steeped in ignorance. Yes - Trudeau. I really doubt he has the brains to understand any issue at a depth that's any more than superficial......but his handlers are indeed over-reaching - shoving stuff down our throats. I totally agree with your assessment that he is greatly damaging our image, confidence and our country with his negative, shaming claptrap. We've got our faults and Canadians can be overly polite (oh, I'm sorry).....but we were moving forward as well as any country until the Straw Man and Wizard came along to create divisions with his "identity politics" and endless apologies and shaming. Never has a Prime Minister been so completely inept. I'd better stop before I suffer a stroke.

First thing you need to do is evolve past your childish and simplistic stereotyping of what you refer to as "principled conservatives". You can't go a sentence without throwing out idiotic stereotypes of groups you invent in your head then project externally to then pretend they exist. Then again I suppose using your level of conversation and cognitive processing I should say its what I would expect from a shrill leftist.

Israel gave the gaza strip to hamas 12 yrs ago, what has hamas done with it ti help its people, nothing. But just moved thier mortars even closer. Sorry people but trying to defend hamas is the same as defending the Nazi's.