Leaderboard

Khadr, being a good little terrorist, was following the Al Quaeda Handbook: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2005/may/31/20050531-121655-7932r/ Notice that Khadr, upon capture, didn't immediately say, "Help me! I'm a Canadian citizen who was forced by my father to fight here and I want to go home!" No, he followed the manual.

Then it would have cost us twice as much. But at least it would have been under the premise of a court decision, not the decision of the government of an allied country willfully submitting to a terrorist and apologizing. Our neighbors must be shaking their collective heads over this one.

I'm afraid your "facts" are a little misconstrued. The "fact" is, the Supreme Court ruled on January 2010, in a unanimous 9–0 decision, that the participation of Canadian officials in Khadr's interrogations at Guantanamo clearly violated his rights under the Charter. These interrogations occurred in February 2003 under the Cretien Liberals who were in power at that time, by Canadian Foreign Affairs intelligence officer Jim Gould and an official from CSIS. It was also determined that the extent of "torture" he endured amounted to sleep deprivation, moving him around to different cells, and solitary confinement. As far as there being little evidence that Khadr threw the grenade, killing Chris Speers was only one of the five charges he plead guilty to. In addition to pleading guilty to murder in violation of the laws of war, he also admitted guilt to attempted murder in violation of the laws of war, conspiracy, and two counts of providing material support for terrorism and spying. There is video and photo evidence showing him assembling and planting bombs and IED's with other members of the Taliban which is irrefutable. This "settlement" should have gone to court and played out through legal means, but the Liberals were only too happy to pay Omar off and then try and put Harper's fingerprints on it. "Fact" is, Omar was in gitmo for the first 4 years with the Liberals in power, when Omar was interrogated and had his rights violated, prompting the Supreme Court Ruling.

If his rights are important, so are hers. You could say that taking up arms against Canada and it's NATO allies is treason and your rights should be suspended regardless.

Yes you do... it was the entire premise of your post!! Lol, nice try!!

Agreed..it's not like the Trudeau Liberals to look for a deal. I mean...why settle on 10 mil when you can spend 20?

The fact is that Khadr and his family used Canada for welfare and free medical care for most of his life. He spent his formative years in terrorist training camps in the Muslim world. He probably didn't even speak much English before spending time at Gitmo. His miserable excuse for a family would have all been deported under any sane, reasonable immigration system. In fact, under a sensible immigration law they'd never have been allowed in in the first place. This is why, to borrow from another topic we should keep out people who believe women should wear bags over their heads. It would keep this kind of filth away.

Not potato/potahto. As Canadians, we enjoy certain rights. Those rights exist even if we break the law. If our government is permitted to ignore those rights for people suspected of or even convicted of crimes, then what good are they really? We protect those rights for everyone, we have to also apply them to people we don't like, disapprove of or believe are guilty of crimes. Add to the above that the physical evidence at the scene, including pictures, doesn't actually support Khadr's guilt, and what we have is a witch hunt against Trudeau, led by the Conservative party. Their campaign is based on emotionalism and partisan politics and supported by a public that prefers to be outraged instead of thoughtful.

Doesn't anyone find it ironic/twisted that the world praises 15 year old Malala for her stand against the Taliban, but 15 year old Khadr JOINS them gleefully and Canada pays him 10 million dollars?

How do you know it was coerced. You assume it was because Kadr said so.. This is the same Kadr who didn't say he was physically beaten but lied because of repeat interogations so he could get out. So he admitted to lying when it was convenient to him. He also found it convenient to invoke his Canadian citizenship only when he got caught not before. He also finds it convenient to ignore Muslim law he claims he is a devout follower of to engage in terrorism and now to accept money that he knows came about indirectly from his actions as a terrorist in the name of Allah. Under Islam he is not supposed to attack unarmed civilians let alone accept any money directly or indirectly used to engage in violence. He conveniently ignores that. Tell you what, you believe what he says, I think he is a pathological liar and manipulator and think the fact he won't give any of his money to the widow of the person he killed says it all as do his latest public insults directed towards her in the last few days. I don't believe a bloody thing he said or says. I do not see the innocent panda bear you do. You go hug him. If I had my choice he'd be deported to Pakistan or Egypt. His convenient use of Canadian citizenship to engage in terrorism and play child victim is for you, not me.

This whole thing stinks like Karla Homolka's "Deal with the Devil".

This one was both legal and accepted, by both the prosecution and the defense. Confessions are only accepted by a court under very strict and specific criteria. If they don't meet this criteria, they are not accepted by the court. Khadr plead guilty to the 5 charges in the face of irrefutable evidence against him.

An admission of guilt is all the evidence needed to obtain a conviction. Khadr provided this. I ask again, how many Americans did Mahar Arar kill? The fact that you are even trying to draw a comparison between the two cases shows an obvious glaring flaw in the argument you are trying to put forward.

They were conducting ops against the Taliban....an enemy government. Good for the US for going and doing what needed to be done.

I did as well. Its also not based on how we feel although Kadr's uni-brow does annoy me. We have the opinion we do based on Kadr's dirty hands. If his crime in another country was not terrorism but being arrested for being a journalist and tortured and killed for that, as happened in Iran, you bet I agreed with Harper severing diplomatic ties. That said, maybe you should look at the feelings of the widow of the man Kadr killed and her children. Seems those are the only feelings that should matter not ours.

In addition, Canadians would have more respect for Justin and his government. Instead, this secretive back room deal to pay off Khadr in a manner to deprive a widow of having a lawsuit heard has irked most mainstream Canadians no end. And anyway, this government spending $10-15M is a drop in the bucket. They spend that in the blink of an eye. A look at the deficit is proof enough.

There's plenty of evidence that he was gleeful when he voiced how it made him happy to have killed Americans.

And this is why the Khadr file is essentially a political and emotional matter. One may recognize that Khadr's Charter rights were breached and on the other believe that it was wrong for Trudeau and his Liberals to pay Khadr $10.5M.

Yup. Even the most undeserving of Rights still have those very same rights that everyone else has. Wether they deserve them or not is neither here nor there; They have them.

If they had, there would be one more dead terrorist and Canadian taxpayers would still have their $10.5 million. Seems a real shame that they didn't.

Poor Omar. He's the real victim.

Lol Wait ... I'll ask him ... nope, he says he didn't because he doesn't like being without his lazyboy chair & tv. It seems that in your opinion, some citizens have more rights than others. So, if I make judgements the way you do, I'd say you're not really Canadian.

Then you're not 'really' a Canadian either. You clearly don't comprehend that the rights of citizenship apply equally to every citizen.

Again, many of us don't think Khadr or his family are Canadians. We don't care about their rights. If our government wasn't so screwed up they'd all have been deported twenty years ago.

It's not about "liking" Khadr. It's about Khadr pissing all over the rights he is now demanding.

Do I detect that you would like us to STFU and not discuss this matter any further?

Really, when did Iran get nukes?

I don't believe that's correct. I think what he said was he "didn't know" whether he threw the grenade (due to injuries and associated memory loss, I assume), but he hoped he didn't. A lot of this discussion may become quite irrelevant after Khadr's appeal of his conviction. I think we'd all be wise to wait for that outcome.

Modern times = the unceded land and resources belong to Canada and won't ever go back to "aboriginals".

Fact: Khadr's case was about charter rights, not war crimes (ignored by Conservatives) Fact: Khadr was a child when he was taken to Afghanistan and was still a child when he was caught. (Ignored by Conservatives). Fact: Khadr's confession was given after he'd been tortured (ignored by Conservatives). Fact: There is very little evidence, other than a coerced confession, that Khadr threw the grenade; there is more evidence that he could not have thrown it (ignored by Conservatives). Emotion: Khadr was a hardened terrorist who is now benefitting from his terror activities because Trudeau/Liberals.

People are allowed to express their opinion without being ordered out of the country. It is just as much Rue's country as yours.

From Espritdecorps, a Canadian Military Magazine: It seems to me that despite the Conservative claim that they are not emotionally driven, their objection to this payout is based purely on partisan emotion - they ignore both facts and basic human rights in order to try to score points against the Liberal government.

I never raised that issue you did. I have answered it in a previous response. If I had my way she would have been stripped of her citizenship and deported to her country of origin along with all the Kadrs since Canada has been so unjust to them. I would alo award Omar on penny and a cup of Tim Horton's coffee and a poster of Jean Chretiens to remind him of how convenient it was to invoke Canadian citizenship once being caught as a terrorist.

What is convenient is apologists like you using the Charter of Rights, domestic youth laws of Canada, and the arbitrary number 15 or 10 to decide Kadr does not have anhy culpability for his actions.

I'm fine with moving on from the First Nation to Municipality comparison as it was only preface to the point I was really trying to make...which is what Attawapiskat received in federal funding versus what other First Nations received. Again, you persist that the $12,000 per per person is 'normal' yet various surrounding First Nations show much lower numbers. You also confirmed that the $90M was for normal government services and excluded the capital costs for housing but now you are purposely throwing that back into the mix and saying its too complicated. Maybe for you it is. The reality is that the funding to a given First Nation in the area remained fairly consistent over the 2006-2010 period in discussion. (This is clearly noted on the Financial Transparency site if you care to look.) But to account for any irregularities, one can look at the five year average funding and you would still find that Attawpiskat had much higher per capita funding that surrounding First Nations. I didn't do the research on every First Nation in Ontario so it is quite possible that other First Nations receive as much or more however the point is that the complaint that Attawapiskat is underfunded just can't be taken seriously. I know....your assertion is that all First Nations are underfunded which again comes down to what the Treaties say. What is the government supposed to provide? But yet you steered clear when I asked about why is funding for housing or roads included when the Treaty covering this area says nothing about that. It seems very obvious that objectivity is not a strong suit of yours. The reality is that other reserves make it work because they have more 'own source' revenue which is the way is should be. The reserve system is not intended to provide EVERYTHING for these people but to supplement them. If a reserve needs the government to fully subsidize it then it shouldn't be in existence. You can use your personal insults all you want. In fact I love when you get to that point because it makes me realize that you don't really have any facts to argue instead you are arguing from emotion. I get it....you feel bad for these people and think that we should just hand over the bank accounts and let them do what they want. Unfortunately it can't and won't work that way. There needs to be objectivity and accountability which again by the audit done, there was neither accountability or objectivity to be found in Attawpiskat. So....instead of playing the victim role and making all other, lower funded yet still properly functioning reserves look bad, you should instead point out the poor leadership and issues that Attawiskat presented. But you just can't do that can you? And you wonder why all aboriginals get lumped into the bad stereotypes. Yeesh.

Most of us don't consider him to be a Canadian at all, much less a child. You can claim him as one of yours, but the rest of us reject him.

You come on this forum to applaud terrorists and call Canadian soldiers paid killers. It speaks loudly to what an inexperienced child you must be to be unable to tell the difference.

Maybe because xenophobia is a common word that describes an irrational fear of others. You don't need to know who Xenophon was to understand the concept.

I heard one lawyer interviewed who said if the money was placed in a trust fund for Khadr this move would shield it from the lawsuit. It's also possible the money was transferred to offshore accounts. I can just see Trudeau's lawyers brainstorming with Khadr's team on the best way to assure that the Americans get nothing. In any case, I hope the widow and injured soldier continue their efforts with regard to their lawsuit. This will keep the Khadr matter in the public domain much to the discomfort of the scheming Liberals.

I think that MH would think that this is very progressive and just fantastic for what those parents to have done. Hey little Johnny, you are considered to be a boy because you have a penis but you don't have to call yourself a boy if you don't want too. You could call yourself a girl and that will be ok also. There is nothing like trying to screw up a young kids head in his early years, eh? This just shows how bad this country has gone wonky.

Ermmmmm...... wtf is he on about???? What a schmuck!

If you ever wanted a video that fully demonstrated the irrationality of America's Iran policy, this one does it in the most hilarious way!