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What scholars up until this point in this topic you've presented 3 opinions of 3 generals on what they thought of the use of the atomic wpn on Japan...are these the scholars you talk about.....perhaps you'd like to let us in on your sources or the supposed scholars..... You have yet to prove your original statement....USA war crimes - atomic bombs....what you have produced is 3 opinions from 3 US generals.....nothing more.....So they all agree that the atomic bomb was not needed.....big deal.....the last time i checked the US was engaged in a total war with Japan....meaning pretty much everything went, including fire bombing cities.....full of civilians.... My question is what is the difference of fire bombing japanese cities with large formations of bombers.....killing thousands, even 100K in one raid.....than lets say dropping one atomic wpn.....was there at the time a war convention about atomic wpns, was there a war convention about dropping fire bombs on paper japanese cities....What law is it they broke , i mean you make the claim but don't support it.....maybe on pages 3 or 4 nope..... From all the posts i have read from you, trust me i don't read alot of yours....i get the feeling that your 19 years old , in collage, perhaps university, got the world by the bag, you smoke a little weed do a little drinking, probably live in the dorm so you don't have to obey moms rules.....and like most university students you get a hard on with the way the US and Canada runs, or conducts itself.....to the point you spend most of your waking hours on forums arguing the same thing....every time you learn a new thing in school you have to preach it to the world.... Here is the thing, the west has never said it was perfect, but we really do like apple pie, and jager shooters and yet all those bad things you accuse them of doing i mean on and on and on , .....you are living under the consequences of those actions, you take advantage of everything they have won in our names daily.....freedom of speech, freedom of thought , freedom of expression etc etc and yet you seem to enjoy the fruit of those labors........never once have you said i am one of you....i can not stand the things you have done in my name....i am moving...i can not live with your standards anymore.....hopefully to one of those peaceful nations you like so much in the middle east ....It is not that i don't want you to use and enjoy all your freedoms because i do .....but even a baby's cry can be annoying as hell after awhile and right now your annoying as f***.. i hope you come back when you grow up.... Signed your number 2 fan......

We have a fundamental difference of how we look at the world. Being an idealist, I would like the world to be a place where countries try to live peacefully, based on mutually defined rules. You believe in the clash of civilizations based on self interest of individual civilizations. So sure, let's agree to disagree...

You know that Assad is a secular dictator who has nothing to do with terrorists. Terrorists from Al Qaida, ISIS are supported by Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia is a strong US ally. Middle East is confusing place. Don't ever believe your leaders to give a truthful answer. If you want to support job creation in military and arms industries by starting unjust wars, then that's a totally different story. Don't bring ethics, human rights and good vs. bad in the picture.

Correct, except that the U.S. does not act to save the world. The U.S. acts to save American and allied interests. Anyone who disagrees with U.S. interventionist policies is welcome to try and stop them. Good luck....

How do you define a troll? Because I wouldn't consider many of the people you've bragged about blocking to be a troll. But there is a poster that seems to have been put in Der Cooler, that you're cool with, that's objectively a troll.

Ya really. Assad thought he could get away with it because of Russian backing and Trump's repeated statements that the US should stay out of it. Surprise.

Of course they do. Tyrants have a long history of using terror to keep their subjects in line. Stalin killed more Russians than Hitler.

I don't make assumptions about who or what someone might be but I agree with this part. Or is it no longer allowed to quote someones post and agree with it on this forum? Are we now only allowed to do it anonymously by this stupid reputations score?

Yes. UN isn't doing what it's supposed to do. But that doesn't mean US has the right to take an initiative unilaterally. It's like if police doesn't help you what you perceive to be is right, you pick a gun and start doing your perceived "right" thing on your own.

I am really trying to understand you. It seems like you genuinely think that US military inventions around the world are for good cause. I, like many others, think that it isn't the case. US military interventions are perceived by international community as either a way to promote its arms industry or expand its political influence. The question is not that who would save the world, US or Canada. Question is : Will US or Canada or any self righteous country spare the world and not take any military actions on its own without consulting other powers.

The UN has been an abysmal failure in many cases in the world. What has the UN done about the civil war in Syria? There was no indication the UN was going to do anything at all about the chemical attack on innocent people in Syria. The UN just talks but does little. The UN also is unable to act because the Russia and China veto an proposed action.

OTOH = On the other hand... Defining bad actors isn't the job of Americans. Bad is a relative term and Americans, Chinese and Russians have varying opinion on the definition. If you are going to allow every powerful country to take action against the bad actors according to their definition, there will be many unjust wars. It would be better to go through UN in order to have a consensus against a bad actor and a mutual agreement should be reached before taking unilateral actions.

You know that US is no more the lone super power. Right? Not that China or Russia are great alternatives, it's probably better to have options for weaker countries to choose their poison. OTOH, allied or westerners, whatever you call them, need to get over their privilege. They don't run the world anymore.

If Iraq having WMDs justifies war on Iraq by Americans, would US having WMDs (nuclear bombs) justify war by other countries on the US? We have examples when US has even used chemical and nuclear weapons on other countries. Actually, US is the only country that has used nuclear weapons on other countries. Do Americans feel any shame for their acts or only that Trump's conscience wakes up only when he sees Assad killing a few children? Any idea, how many children have died because of US invasions around the world.

Compared to what's happening in Syria, in Iraq and Yemen, in South Sudan, in North Korea, in Mali and Nigeria and other places - it IS the equivalent of hungry cats. When have you EVER required the slightest evidence, let alone proof, to point fingers at Israel? Were you snickering when you wrote that? Given your incredibly one-sided expositions about Israel, which have been so one-sided they could have been written by the UN's human rights council, you are really in no position to make such an allegation against anyone at all. Horrific? There are death camps in North Korea. Syria is gassing children. South Sudan is using starvation as a weapon. ISIS are taking children as sex slaves, buying and selling them on slave markets. Horrific? Has Israel established a slave trading system? Does Israel behead opposition figures like Saudi Arabia does, or hang them the way Iran does? Horrific? Let me explain the moral bankruptcy of your position. Even the UN, as one-sided as they are, have stated that Hamas uses children as human shields. Now think about that for a moment. They are using their own civilians as human shields because they know the hated Jews, who they say are descended from pigs and monkeys, will hesitate to kill them. Can you imagine the IDF herding Jewish kids out in front of them in hopes this would prevent Hamas from opening fire? The idea is laughable. Hamas would be delighted to kill Jewish kids, as they've demonstrated often enough in the past. So Hamas is itself showing that Israel is on a higher moral plateau than they are themselves. During the last dustup between them, it was pointed out by you and yours how one-sided the casualties are, as if this was a demonstration of Israel's evil. But one of the reasons the casualties were one-sided is because Israel has taken great pains to shield its civilians, to build bomb shelters for them, while Hamas has actually located itself AMONG its civilians in order to increase the death toll so people like you would get more indignant about how one sided it was. So who is on the higher moral plateau there? *I believe it was Sam Harris I heard pointing this out but could be wrong.

I have a lot of work I have to do. But I might create a thread.

Are you sure that no Chemical wpns were found in Iraq......because the above sources say different ....0f course your sources may trump mine, but you did'nt list one.....I could get more if you like......And i don't recall saying that the mass production facility was in operation today.....what i said was they found one , shown in the video below.....according to the last source provided 412.5 tons of chemical agents were destroyed by UN teams, and that 1.5 tons were unaccounted for.....thats tons......20 liters of water wieghs in at 62 lbs.....so 1.5 tons is alot of VX agent....the worlds deadliest chemical agent in the world....considering all it takes to kill a human is less than a pin heads worth..... Of course the above amounts do not reflect what was discovered by US coalition forces after the combat began for the first time......the above numbers only include UN inspection teams numbers before combat broke out..... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/etc/arsenal.html

This is pretty much pure mythology. 50 deployed Al-Samoud 2 missiles Various equipment, including vehicles, engines and warheads, related to the AS2 missiles 2 large propellant casting chambers 14 155 mm shells filled with mustard gas, the mustard gas totaling approximately 49 litres and still at high purity Approximately 500 ml of thiodiglycol Some 122 mm chemical warheads Some chemical equipment 224.6 kg of expired growth media No active production of any considerable capacity was ever found. Almost nothing was found at all.

I know, but never waste an opportunity to highlight Obama and Trudeau weakness.

Trudeau and the PMO look weak and impotent in the wake of Trump's action. Trudeau spends more time in the U.S. to channel his "feminism".

Then they should release that information to the public.

Cool, now if only you could deal with that pesky thing called evidence.

Cause that approach has been working so well the past 15 years...

Oh I see, you're major concern is what happens after Assad. So you would keep a war criminal in power because you fear the result of taking him down. Power vacuum means nothing when a country's innocents are being wiped out. I say let's deal with one problem at a time.

And a 10 second violation justifies shooting down a pilot and a fighter plane? I thought Turkey and Russia were on the same side fighting ISIS. Or at least Turkey claims it is against ISIS. Cause we know Turkey is trustworthy. *sarcasm*

How do we know that the rebels didn't create this stockpile?

When someone gets banned, he can't participate anymore. He cannot post. When someone is put on ignore by you, he can still post - he can still actively participate - but you won't see his posts (unless you take a peek). He won't get any replies from you. Yes, he can still get responses from others. He'll get replies unless everyone decide to put him on ignore - if it gets to that point, I bet he'll end up getting banned. Someone you put on ignore might not even care that you don't reply to his posts - but he can still post in your threads. When you put someone on ignore......the onus is on you to have the self-discipline, to not peek at the post(s) of the people you have put on ignore.

Trudeau supports President Trump's bigly balls in Syria.

The new documentary A Stroy Of Us is amjor load of bullshit, lies and false historal facts. Severe critics of historians from both english and french sides. Trudeau introduces that self called documentary (the most approprate designation should be mockumentary) and hereby endorses those lies. If he is not yet the worst PM ever, he is really working hard to become the one. I think the worst about him is yet to come.

America bombs syria and the PMO send out a statement, if this was a pop culture event ,trudeau would have made sure he was in front a camera.

Plus he had Paul Martin as his Finance Minister. IMO, a very good Finance Minister but a disastrous Prime Minister.

Maybe there's a Nobel Spend Prize?

And that is what is killing the country, we hardly produce anything and the oil sands are not the problem. But in canada you have some idiot hollywood celeb fly over the oil sands and say how evil they are, and the left actually believes it, when the dirtiest oil comes from california, home of hollywood. I just wish the left would pull its head out of it's arse and see how the enviros are deflecting the real problems by blaming canada for everything. And I am getting tired of paying for it so a few can sleep at nite.

Because he had to, remember that situation? Trudeau did not have to do what he did, Harper is by far one of the best PM's we had. We went from 1st to worst. And everyday the liberals prove me right. As I have said before every bad thing the liberals had to say about harper is coming true under trudeau. And who is actually running the country?? And now the bald face lies about the jets? He made a fool out of us in front of our allies.

Do you not feel, Charles, that a person who persists in posting the same message all across the spectrum of conversations here, always trying to bring the subject to the same thing, is derailing discussions?

Probably controlled by Jews, eh?

Really? There are 15 million Jews in the world and 1.6 BILLION Muslims. The problem is the Jews? "Why we hate you and why we fight you" - by ISIS 1. We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices. It is for this reason that we were commanded to openly declare our hatred for you and our enmity towards you. “There has already been for you an excellent example in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah. We have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone’” (Al-Mumtahanah 4). Furthermore, just as your disbelief is the primary reason we hate you, your disbelief is the primary reason we fight you, as we have been commanded to fight the disbelievers until they submit to the authority of Islam, either by becoming Muslims, or by paying jizyah – for those afforded this option – and living in humiliation under the rule of the Muslims. Thus, even if you were to stop fighting us, your best-case scenario in a state of war would be that we would suspend our attacks against you – if we deemed it necessary – in order to focus on the closer and more immediate threats, before eventually resuming our campaigns against you. Apart from the option of a temporary truce, this is the only likely scenario that would bring you fleeting respite from our attacks. So in the end, you cannot bring an indefinite halt to our war against you. At most, you could only delay it temporarily. “And fight them until there is no fitnah [paganism] and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah” (Al-Baqarah 193). 2 . We hate you because your secular, liberal societies permit the very things that Allah has prohibited while banning many of the things He has permitted, a matter that doesn’t concern you because you separate between religion and state, thereby granting supreme authority to your whims and desires via the legislators you vote into power. In doing so, you desire to rob Allah of His right to be obeyed and you wish to usurp that right for yourselves. “Legislation is not but for Allah” (Yusuf 40). Your secular liberalism has led you to tolerate and even support “gay rights,” to allow alcohol, drugs, fornication, gambling, and usury to become widespread, and to encourage the people to mock those who denounce these filthy sins and vices. As such, we wage war against you to stop you from spreading your disbelief and debauchery – your secularism and nationalism, your perverted liberal values, your Christianity and atheism – and all the depravity and corruption they entail. You’ve made it your mission to “liberate” Muslim societies; we’ve made it our mission to fight off your influence and protect mankind from your misguided concepts and your deviant way of life. http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2016/07/31/isis-why-we-hate-you-why-we-fight-you/

Shit, I backed off already. I was going for Archbishop or Pope. You see (I guess you don't) when you have lived to personally witness the damage done to Canada by PET first hand, as a Canadian it kind of sticks in your craw. But, I guess once we elected a person still clutching his communist party card tight (from his Sorbonne years), the royal "we" pretty much deserve what we got.

Had a conversation with a business acquaintance who is a long time friend of someone who is...well let's just leave it as VERY close to JT. In a candid moment, he was informed that in all of his decades dealing with such individuals, JT is the least intelligent and capable he has ever encountered. There were some pretty rude and crude comments applied that I need not repeat, but you get the gist. Now, that was no big surprise at all, but what DID catch my attention was that apparently, the whole cabinet has not only abandoned the people of Canada (also, no big surprise) but are now going back on word given or implied to the Party Faithful of the Liberal establishment. Seems as if there is a high concentration of arrogant morons in power now (or should I say AGAIN?) Pretty much answered the question of this thread right on the button for me.

I think the bigger questions are... why did they stop him, and why did Comey actually volunteer to do so after so effectively torpedoing Clinton's campaign.

You wouldn't know that since you have no knowledge of history yourself. Or logic.

Then you are obviously severely hampered by your lack of history.

I dont find it illogical to atomic bomb somewhere during a war as long as there is no any other options to get rid of your enemy and save innocent people. But its a crime if you are just doing it to solve something with the quickest way despite you are able to do other things and save more innocent lifes.

Completely unfit to beget children.

The myths that you are repeating about the reasons the USA used atomic bombs. The myths that were developed after the war because the realities just would not have fit in with the American propaganda. Servicemen are always at risk. You cannot under international law resort to war crimes to reduce that risk.

Right after maligning the Japanese, you state the above, which makes your argument completely nonsensical - on two grounds. You state that the Japanese were completely justified in those two actions you have referenced. You are wrong, flat out wrong.

Myths are not a legal justifications for committing war crimes.

A myth is not a legal justification for committing war crimes. And even if it wasn't a myth, it is still not a legal justification for committing war crimes.

No, this thread is about US war crimes. The Japanese paid for their war crimes in the farcical but "legal" Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal. The US has been committing massive, vicious war crimes from way before WWII right up to this very day. But unlike other threads I won't demand that people's justified opinions be censored.