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Liberal's making friends every where they go.....This does not surprise me , Canada can not even look after it's own soldiers.....but to take this stand on the inter national stage is stupid for the lack of a better word. I mean here was an opportunity to show some compassion, to the world for mere crumbs to our full annual Budget....and yet the liberals who have spent 30 bil in a blink of an eye has said NO to the small compensation of the gurkha guards at our own embassy....I wonder who is guarding the gates now... more an likely the locals, as they would be the cheapest bidder.....Wonder i secure the embassy is now.... http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kabul-canada-gurkhas-1.4019840

What a silly thing to say, Skype? Lol. Right that will prove who you are, Lol. Skype? Lol. How does a "young woman" such as you pose as you do? You have made a point of providing avatars showing you as a young attractive female in Western attire. You don't cover yourself. So please, explain how you pick and chose the clothing style and hair cut and lipstick you want, when your fellow Muslim women can not? That's the issue. You can come on the forum posing as a modern Westernized young woman but the way you dress would get your life threatened in an ISIS controlled area or in Iran or in Saudia Arabia or do you deny that? Tell me Altai, do you not think I have witnessed the results of a young woman with your image after her father and brothers and uncles quoting sharia law have beaten the pulp out of her? You think that has not happened? Do you want me to put up pictures of mutilated women who were killed and permanently scarred in the name of Sharia law? Well? You think I haven't seen genitally mutilated young girls, girls beaten silly for dating a non Muslim and not covering themselves in Ontario family courts? How about you get yourself on a plane and come see. Skype my ass. Let's talk reality. Domestic violence. Vengance killings, abuse, physical beatings, incest, rape, men raping boys in broad day light in Afghanistan in such frequency that you are damn right I have sit and listened to Canadian soldiers coming home try drink themselves to oblivion to try get it out of their heads. What world do you live in Altai because the one I live in won't be denied by you presenting your alleged self on skype. Who do you pose as Altai? Hmmm? Please explain.. How do you claim to be a free woman, a supposed Westernized, modern young Muslim and deny what sharia law says about women? Do explain Altai because posing on Skype won' answer that. That was my point. My point is to challenge your very claim of who you pose as and to challenge you to look at what is happening to women in the Muslim world if you claim to be one. It has nothing to do with Skype and everything to do with those portions of sharia law you won't acknowledge or discuss. You parrot what some man has told you. Your body, your mind, they just parrot what you have been told to say. Is that not so? How do you as a young woman if you are one explain what your religion says about women? You refuse to answer that. Answer it. Explain how you reconcile being a modern woman with the values you try preach to others because from where I sit, you sugar coat slavery, sexism. tyranny, fascism.

Of course I am not ruled by Sharia law. I live in Ontario Canada. The laws that I abide by and follow are the municipal laws of Mississauga, Ontario, the provincial laws of Ontario and the federal laws of Canada. That's it. Next I am a Canadian. So giggle tee hee but I am not Israeli. More to the point anyone can claim anything on this forum like you claiming to be Turkish or female. It means nothing. On forums one's identity as you have shown can be hidden and they can make any ridiculous comment or pose as anyone they want to. Right Omar is it? Or is it Muhammed? Abdul? Farouk? Gamel? Yasir? Wait don't tell me Mujibar? Barak? Sirhan? Next you have an offer that you will prove me a liar but first I most promise everyone I will leave the forum if you prove I am a liar. Tee hee. That is illogical. You have already stated I am a liar. Tee hee because I am Israeli hee hee. So if I am a liar even though I will promise to leave I won't really leave tee hee giggle giggle? Is that the stupid childish banter you want me to respond with? You want to prove me a "liar "or anyone else stop acting like a child with your idiotic challenges. Spit it out.This is a forum. Please do not write me such childish posts. If you have something to debate, debate it. If you have something to say, say it. You want to prove me a " liar ", go ahead and stop sounding like someone in elementary school, take what I have written and prove it wrong. Go on. Put up or shut up but please stop speaking to me like a child. I have expressed my opinions. You don't agree with them say why. Stop calling me a liar because I disagree with you. The fact people disagree with you does not make them liars. Your subjective opinions as to Sharia law and Islam are just that-they are not infallible facts-they are subjective opinions, no more, no less. You speak for yourself, no one else whether they be Muslim or non Muslim. Now put up or shut up. Take what I have said and challenge it and state why. Prove what I said "wrong". This is a forum for debating. I suggest if you won't want to debate you get off the forum.

Liberals are as usual putting their own interests ahead of the country by not acting on our border problem which is likely to grow exponentially when the warm weather arrives. M ost of these migrants are not refugees as they are leaving from various countries, flying into the U.S. then taking a bus or taxi which lets them off near our border. They are not exactly the wretched and the poor. Canada - milk it honey !

We would be better off spending the money over there. There should be UN safe zones that are run by the UN, with a sizable military force to protect them and feed them till times are better. I would imagine a lot of refugees would love to be closer to home. Right now they seems to be no end in sight, so do we just keep bringing them in till we are full and civil war breaks out?? Time to shut down the refugee makers once and for all.

It has nothing to do with trump. And conservatives are not the me first people,they are the only people that are afraid of where canada is heading. Change is coming to fast and people are now getting worried. The fabric of the country is changing and killing the canadian culture. (Yes we do have one). We all want to help people in NEED. Not just people looking for a better deal and every migrant that comes from the US should be sent right back to where they came from. Time to go after refugee makers and end this madness. We just can't bring everyone here. And because of all these changes , that is why the conservatives will win the next election. Trudeau is not listening to the people.

Yes, may dad spent two years in South East Asia during WW2. One of the things he brought home was a Kukri. I don't think people understand the degree of respect in which they are held by everyone who has ever served with the Gurkhas. Joanna Lumley rocks.

Targeting Muslim nations is retarded to begin with. In 2016 only 24 muslims were found to be involved in any kind of violent extremism... Out of 3.3 million. 10 Thousand gun nuts killed other Americans during that same year. You tell ME where the focus should be. Could be the way to keep America safe is a ban on Americans. Anybody that cant see this "ban" for what it is, is a moron. Its simply a political ploy to benefit from anti-immigrant, and anti-muslim sentiment, and its a smart one on Trumps behalf. But make no mistake about it, Trump knows this wont do jack shit to make Americans safer. But even though he knows supporters of it are stupid bigots, hes smart enough to release stupid bigots get to vote too. Tackling public safety though immigration policy is never going to work, because half of the worlds psychos are already there.

Freedom from religion, as well. So no choppin' heads just because your cult's 'holy book' says it's okay to murder the unbelievers. Points of interest... Anti derives from the Greek/Berber myth of Antaeus: The Opponent...a demigod who was unbeatable in wrestling as long as as he remained in contact with Mother Earth. Hercules eventually beat him via a crushing bear hug...lifting Antaeus's feet from the ground. Xeno...another Ancient Greek word, means Stranger. It's connection to to our lovely word xenophobia might seem rather direct (stranger danger!)...but it is likely filtered through the writings of Xenophon (the original stranger in a strange land...so to speak) who tended to view non-Greeks with extreme distrust...for obvious reasons if you know Ancient Greek history re: the Persian Empire. This is quite apparent in his writings like Anabasis (March of the Ten Thousand) where he and a Greek mercenary army were betrayed by their Persian employers and trapped behind enemy lines...not a lot of friendly faces. They hacked their way out...generally. Phobia: More Greek...Phobos (Fear), one of two twin sons of Ares and Aphrodite (Deimos the other: Terror...heh). They'd ride into battle next to dear ol' Dad and his two goddess sisters: Enyo and Eris...strife and discord...something like that. The family that fights together...stays together?

And then politicians and egghead bureaucrats wonder why high income earners turn to tax havens.

That's for sure.

Pew Research says that although Turkey is 90% Muslim, only 12% wanted to see Sharia law codified. This would put Altai in the minority, even in "her" own country.

Yup PIK, Bernier first. Although given my certitude that Max will win the day, the second most attractive candidate is O`Toole simply because he makes sense when he speaks.

I finally made my choice. I will vote for Mad Max for 2 reasons. First, I fully endorse his platform. In addition, the Couillard affair ensures that Max has name recognition and this would help him square off against Trudeau in the next election. The fact he is Québecois will not be detrimental, just as it did not hurt the Dauphin.

Yes, instead of going to school the young should be out digging ditches in order to be 'productive'. The seniors should get off their lazy butts as well. We continually get this crap about 50% but you totally ignore reality.

Yeah there are two separate school boards with completely different administration. And the Catholic Schools are often the nicer ones because they have access to other funding streams. And they aren't all that religious, but you do have to wear a uniform. Pragmatism would suggest that we don't need Catholic School Boards anymore. But in Ontario we've had a Liberal party in charge for going on 15 years and they haven't even hinted at scrapping the system.

Israelis do it for every passenger, wanting to fly out of Israel , flying out of every airport in the country.....everyone gets interviewed, and everything you tell them is verified by telephone, and if it is not exactly what your described it , your not flying....NO exceptions....in fact if it is not exactly as you told it, your in prison.....awaiting further investigations.

Corporations have already been running the show for a long time now.

That is because the question is totally meaningless. The question should be how much do you want to invest (ie. raise taxes) in improving the immigration system. This is something Leitch doesn't tell you about her little pet project, it costs money - lots of money, a whole hellua lot of money if you want to interview neighbours as you suggested earlier.

The problem begins long before residential schools came to be. In fact the schools were practically a necessary consequence of things that happened before, namely colonization. You want to identify a real crime? Destruction of a peoples food source, the Buffalo. All slaughtered, by the millions. Why were they slaughtered? To starve the Indian. And that's what they were doing, on their reserves. We're talking in the middle of NOWHERE, and a long time ago, so you can envision the isolation and problems that arise from this. There's no doctor available when some kid breaks their leg in remote northern Alberta. Heck, it's a problem even now. Part of the reason they were taken away from their parents was to take them out of that level of poverty. They were starving, neglected, sick, no future. Their culture was already destroyed.

Well, we've endured months of thundering denunciations from every quarter of the national media of Kellie Lietch's suggestion we have values testing for potential immigrants, and it hasn't managed to convince Canadians. A poll taken by the CBC showed three out of 4 Canadians like the idea and want values testing. This is actually a higher number than a poll taken a while back by the Toronto Star. It's interesting that virtually 99% of all the national media elites are violently opposed to the very idea, dismissing it out of hand as bigoted and unworkable, and yet once again most Canadians disagree. It just shows how incredibly out of touch the elites are with Canadians. And I include those in the Conservative Party, most of whose legion of leadership candidates have also denounced her and any idea that we should impose any sort of testing on potential immigrants. I do not, of course, have to even mention the NDP, or the Liberals. I understand Trudeau is currently standing at the Quebec border looking for future cabinet appointments. http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/most-canadians-favour-values-test-for-immigrants-poll

I am willing to give Trump a pass on enacting the travel ban, but it does not go far enough or target the right nations. However all the nations that are on the list are the victims of the US's 'war on terror' who have yet to get their shit together after their nations were destroyed for no good f'n reason.

The premises of the thread as is delusional. None of us of course are ruled by Sharia law. Sharia law is the law of Islam enforced in Muslim countries or followed by those Muslims outside Muslim nations who choose to follow it. Sharia law is the act of a Muslim state enforcing Islamic religious precepts through state structures, usually councils. Its based on "Sunnah" the alleged words of Muhammad and the Koran, the alleged written records of what Muhammad said. Neither Sunnah or the Koran is first hand-its 1000th hand-its someone's version of someone else's version of someone else's version and so on of what they think Muhammad said no different that why for example the gospels in the New Testament are referred to the same way "gospels according to...". The people who wrote the Koran like the New and Old Testaments were ghost writers. No one really knows what Muhammed actually said any more then they know what Jesus or Moses or anyone else actually said. On the one hand Sharia law is not supposed to be subject to different opinions or alterations but none-the- less its interpretation ("figh,") is completely inconsistent since Imams and Mullahs are not educated under one central education system and so their individual interpretation of it varies and there is no uniformity in how each Imam or Mullah interprets the Sunnah or Koran. Also keep in mind man Imams and Mullahs are self taught. When Islam and the Sunnah and Koran are enforced or set in motion by the state, the state makes no distinction between Islam the religion, Islam the state, and Islam the legal system created by the state to apply Islamic preachings of Muhammad. The application, enforcement, interpretation, structure, institutional systems, of each Muslim state depend on the nation you are in and so the way Sharia law is enforced in Sudan, Libya, Chad, Dahomey, Senegal, Nigeria, Mali, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, the Philippines, Somalia, Tanzania, Kenya, Indonesia, Albania-Croatia-Serbia, China, Russia, Chechnya, on and on is not the same although it can have similar practices. There is also no legal system where decisions of Imams or Mullahs are recorded Iin writing or passed down orally and used by subsequent Imams and Mullahs with similar fact situations as binding principles[. There is no one written code either. Muslim states that were French colonies may have codes like France does, but they are still subject to a greater sharia law. In the West our laws are created in essence to regulate public behavior (criminal, regulatory laws) and provide assistance to resolve disputes between individuals or parties in private disputes (civil law) but it deals with behaviour between more than one person in public. Sharia law goes much further. It regulates not just government or public behavior, but individual, private beliefs. So it necessarily imposes a system of belief on individuals that we in the Western world would never stand for. It in fact is similar to a time period when puritanical Christian beliefs first Catholic and then later Protestant as well as Catholic were imposed that way. Western society however evolved past this. We no longer burn witches at stake, stone homosexuals, etc. The Catholic and Protestant churches today may retain formal symbolic ties to the state but no real every day power. So for example the Queen of England is also the head of the Anglican Church but when she is Queen of Canada and Britain she does not order Jews or Muslims or non Anglicans to be Anglican. In fact the Queen is deeply respected by the Chief Rabbiah of Britain, Catholic Church in England, the heads of the Muslim, Hindu and Wiccan religons in Britain. She is enlightened, highly educated as to other religions and customs and is a symbol that defines all religions as having equal rights. In Sharia law nations, a non-Muslim citizen is not defined as an equal to a Muslim. That is fact. Sharia law defines non-Muslims as not capable of being able to tell the truth and thus requiring a Muslim to present their cases in court and testify for them. Non Muslims can not own land like a Muslim can. In Sharia law questioning an Imam’s or Mullah’s version or interpretation of the Koran can lead to state imprisonment and in theory death. In some nations they still cut of a hand when you steal. If a Muslim converts to Christianity or another religion they face death, not to mention a person who is said to lead a Muslim to convert is punishable by death. In Muslim countries adult men are still married to infant girls. Book 41, Kita Al-Adab is cited to justify cutting a young girl’s clitoris, in fact mutilating it so she can not possibly enjoy sex. Men can have 4 wives, women only one husband. Men can beat their wives for being disobedient. Division of property and custody of children on divorce which can only be initiated by men is done in an unfair manner in favour of men. To this day you need 4 male witnesses to prove rape against a woman. When a woman's testifies in court it only carries ½ the weight of a man's. Fact, a female heir inherits only half of what a man inherits. Its very well known to some of us that for example in Saudi Arabia a woman who drives a car is said to commit a “ fitnah ” roughly translated as affront to society or disruption or riot or upheaval or rebellion subjecting her to whipping, prison sentence, even death. In sharia law a woman cannot speak alone to a man or be in the presence of a ma alone or be touched by a man who is not her husband or relative. In sharia law, it is acceptable for Muslims to lie to non Muslims (“ Taquiyya “ ) as long as they can show it is to the benefit of Muslims. Now the person who poses as the thread creator I have to openly question. This creator claims Muslims don't lie. They of course lie as all humans do. Next this person will say Muslims don't fart either. I believe the thread creator is not capable of discussing sharia law openly and candidly and admitting many of the things it holds as truth. I also note the creator's first opening comment dictates what people are allowed to discuss showing an attempt to control what people think. This creator then exhibits this continued behaviour as this creator does on other threads of banning or censoring people the moment the creator of this thread disagrees with them. I myself think the device of this individual in using a picture of a young woman and posing as a young woman does not match the profile of the writing which I find distinctively male in phrasing. In fact the more I read, the more I see evidence of someone trying to proseltyze and spread the word of Islam. Myself I find it very difficult to grasp how any young woman would subject herself to a system of law that allows her clitoris to be mutilated, her very essence defined as subordinate to a male's and her very purpose in life dependent on what men define her as. I lived in a country, Israel where Muslim Israelis could opt out of Israeli family laws and follow sharia laws but chose as Muslims to flee sharia law and seek protection in women's shelters and under Israeli non religious family laws prohibiting domestic violence. I also have witnessed first hand in Canada in our family courts what happens to young women who question their Muslim religion, or not even this religion but the customs carried on in the name of Islam such as the head covering with is not a religious edict but a cultural choice based on the premises that the sight of their skin sexually excites me and all other men and I presume although no Muslim ever said it lesbians. I find any young woman who would dress as the woman is posed in the avatar and writes what is found on this thread highly improbable. Ask yourself why this individual in the Avatar is not covered and ask does the image you see of a distinctly Westernized young woman match the fundamental Islam she preaches? I contend the Western depiction of the young woman in the Avatar and the Sharia law " she " speaks of direcly conflict. Been there done that with Muslim extremist men trying to lure young women and men into extremist Islam. Not only been there, done that, but witnessed the consequences of extremist puppets allowing others to tell them how to think and what to preach. Give me twenty minutes with one teenager being recruited using the pretext of the pretty poser. if they are that young, just twenty minutes. Its all I need..that and a morgue showing them what a female body looks like after the clitoris circumcision caused the girl to bleed to death. Just twenty minutes to have them read the label on the body parts left over from a bomb or see the burns or permanent fractures of an abused women from some religious man. That's all it takes. It aint got nothing to do with Moe-Zuz, Gee-Zuz, Moe-Hamed, Al Ugh, Jehove Ugh. Its just some men with small pee pees trying to recruit young, lonely, confused people. Epic failure Omar. Yer net has too many holes in it to catch anything

The ban isn't about safety. Its about Trump hamming it up for the retards who he wants support from. Tapping into anti-immigrant sentiment is just smart politics right now, and its worked very well for him. He probably wouldnt have won the election with the bigot vote.

I keep finding points of agreement with you. But I do I think we're in the Elite seats, us Westerner types, along with Saudi Arabians and others from rich countries. Some lesser lights get coach, while Syrians and their ilk get the roof. Hope hell is what people expect for themselves.

In fact, of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims, only 179 million live in the affected countries. 89% of the world's Muslims remain free to travel to the US.

So why does the west and the EU cozy up to the Saudis? Even if you go with the fact that 9/11 was masterminded, but not really by Bin Laden but via connections from Saudi Arabia. Most of those hijackers were in fact Saudi nationals, but yet every other nation in the Middle East is paying for it by being destroyed.

Why is the hysterical refrain of "OMG, Sharia Law is coming" because some Muslim women might want to swim without men in the pool NOT fear-mongering? How is spreading false stories about how 'Muslims demand menus change to suit them = OMG Sharia Law is coming" not fear mongering? Why is a story about a Muslim man groping women in a pool nation-wide and world-wide news, while the daily activities of non-Muslim pedophiles is ignored? Why is the severe over-reaction to a motion for study on religious intolerance NOT fear mongering? How is claiming that Muslims are inherently violent/barbaric with no redeeming qualities NOT fear-mongering? Perhaps when I see you objecting to those kinds of comments, instead of giving them credence, I will start believing your claim that you are objecting to 'both' sides of what you see as extremist statements.

Do you consider yourself in the "middle"? It's rather ironic that you decry political 'polarization' and then proceed to blame the 'left' for every perceived problem.

Trump was informed that Canada was America;'s biggest customer. Now he knows to shut his mouth and focus on his russian buddies.

Money is nothing but standardized accounting within the community, it holds zero intrinsic value. Nothing was taken from you because you had nothing to begin with.

Ideology is morphing into that as well. That said a way to tell lefties from the righties would make the civil war developing between them a lot easier to fight. It would suck if combatants had to just hope they were actually hitting their targets. Oh well, I guess that's why war is hell.

Other people's money? Taxes are "everybody's" money, not just yours. I'm proud of the way Canada makes the world a better place by helping a few people escape horrific situations. So far, more Canadians than not agree with me and so we continue to help a few people every year. If and when enough people agree with you that Canada should not accept refugees and elect a Canadian Trump, you'll have your wish.

Begging? So...your article actually contains the word begging? Where?

I don't agree with anything trump has done and would never have voted for him. However, his decisions are his to make, now I get that some of you are immature and you want to stick it to the man, not all but some in this thread have said as much, and that's super cool of course, oohhh the anarchy, etc. Perhaps, Trudeau and Trump have already discussed this very thing, both willing to go their own way publicly to their own benefit. But what strikes me as odd is all the complaints about Trump using twitter the way he does, but when our PM governs through twitter for his own political benefit, and don't kid yourself, it's not just about being Captain Canada, suddenly it's ok, suddenly there is an inherent nobility in this sort of smug governance, instead of a more measured, nation to nation discussion. Anyway, who knows, maybe Trump couldn't care less or has been told what to expect ahead of time and is ok with it, idk. But I know this, many millions of us have real families to take care of, we don't have the option of being the noble, superior, smug Canadian stereotype that so many of you seem to stake your identity on. Here's what's real, we are an ant, and if they so choose to be, the Americans are the boot, perhaps there is really nothing to be concerned about, lets hope so, but this isn't necessarily a little game we get to play without consequences, and while there are some worth fighting for I don't think this is the (ant) hill worth dying for, perhaps a little humility and reality about our true place in the world, not the imagined, particularly liberal smugness about our place is in order before we decide to play moral hero on this particular issue. It's wrong, but did we make similar twitter pronouncements about a hundred other equally or more wrong things done in a hundred other places? Nope, not like this we didn't.

Clearly you're another guy who couldn't care less what happens to our trade or what happens at the border. Hey, we can grow money on trees! The hell with those Americans!

I'd be surprised if there was a single muslim out there, lol. Its not just Peel, it is meeting the needs of the people who live there, we live in a diverse country, one size will not fit all, if there are enough people who want prayers, let them have it. No sweat off my back. We live in a country where one man can put his penis into another man's rectum and two men can kiss each other and cross dress in public but if you want to pray in public that should be debated? GTFO with your political correctness!

You cant give it to Peel and not everywhere else. I'm sure a prayer room will be well used in Inuvik. snarc

Meh, I lean towards accomodation, peel has a huge muslim population, Canada is a multicultural mosaic, people have this right.

This has been discussed at length ad nauseam around here and people have been slagged just as often as not for doing so. Some of that squandered social capital I was talking about. You really don't have a clue what I mean now do you?

For you? I doubt it.

The waterhole is the world's natural capital and it is getting smaller.

It might continue a little longer due to the momentum and inertia of our expansion the last hundred years and we can't rule out a technological breakthrough and innovating our way through the narrowing of opportunities known as The Bottleneck (I'm capitalizing this because I believe it will be what future ecologists and economists call the event) but I doubt it. It may not be a zero sum game if we attain Technological Singularity-hood for example but it also might be. I think we know enough by now to confidently say that we've squandered our social capital so badly that we've effectively chosen the mean path through The Bottleneck. We could have taken the path that was laid out for us in Kindergarten but we didn't. It is what it is.

When the waterhole gets small the animals will get meaner. Whatever else is to blame it'll probably be the right-wing's fault for making our species transit through The Bottleneck even more unpleasant. That said, I still think the meek will inherit the Earth.

Russia's right-wing had other plans. Bernie's way too left-wing for the oligarchs.

Probably looking forward to a rosy future as Black-shirts and the vanguard of Republican values in the community. Taking it to the streets really is the only way to root the left out of America.

Usually to get out from under the heel of the right....Good versus evil.

Don't forget their lefty fifth column.

Maybe if you guys pulled a Pinochet and did something about the left you might slow Islam down.