Fascism returns to Europe

[Black Dog]

This thread (plus a few posters in it) needs to be taken out behind the barn with Ol' Yeller.

Edited September 28, 2007 by Black Dog

[ScottSA]

Morris,

I'm not sure what you mean here. I don't have my own board, i.e. one that I own. I have a few that I have lent my expertise to, now and again, only to get them on their feet.

Thanks,

mh

Mikey, you are in this thread for one reason and one reason only...to troll. I honestly think you're incapable of telling the truth. Go away.

[GostHacked]

Mikey, you are in this thread for one reason and one reason only...to troll. I honestly think you're incapable of telling the truth. Go away.

Yeah, I am gonna call you out on this one. You are definately trolling, ScottSA. Almost every post you make is trolling. I see the replies and yes, it is absolutely trolling. I might as well throw you on ignore, for you have contributed very little in the advancement of many threads you post in.

But you will just say something 'witty' about me or try to insult me, or get a rise out of me. Instigator, troller. Indeed ScottSA this is what you are and what you bring to this forum.

I will only ask you once nicely to stop trolling. Can you do that for a while?

[Michael Hardner]

I will reiterate that ScottSA is an intelligent and informed poster, but unlike other posters of this ilk, he will withhold logic and reason at a certain point in the argument. You will see it over and over - the thread goes cold at a certain point. For example: somebody points out that one can't base analysis of crime rates by religion on hunting-and-pecking through Google news and posting crimes committed by anyone with a Muslim name.

I don't wish to point these things out, but I feel I need to - in order to explain to anyone who might engage in discussion with Scott. He's a special case, and you need to understand this about his arguments. None of this is meant as a personal comment, but as an aide to discussion.

[Jerry Galinda]

I will reiterate that ScottSA is an intelligent and informed poster, but unlike other posters of this ilk, he will withhold logic and reason at a certain point in the argument. You will see it over and over - the thread goes cold at a certain point. For example: somebody points out that one can't base analysis of crime rates by religion on hunting-and-pecking through Google news and posting crimes committed by anyone with a Muslim name.

I don't wish to point these things out, but I feel I need to - in order to explain to anyone who might engage in discussion with Scott. He's a special case, and you need to understand this about his arguments. None of this is meant as a personal comment, but as an aide to discussion.

“He's a special case’ - nobody is perfect !

[Sulaco]

I will reiterate that ScottSA is an intelligent and informed poster, but unlike other posters of this ilk, he will withhold logic and reason at a certain point in the argument. You will see it over and over - the thread goes cold at a certain point. For example: somebody points out that one can't base analysis of crime rates by religion on hunting-and-pecking through Google news and posting crimes committed by anyone with a Muslim name.

I don't wish to point these things out, but I feel I need to - in order to explain to anyone who might engage in discussion with Scott. He's a special case, and you need to understand this about his arguments. None of this is meant as a personal comment, but as an aide to discussion.

Oh sod off you pretentious little napoleon. Is it not enough that you screwed up a whole board - do you now have to peddle your BS everywhere else?

For anyone who might not know Mr. Hardner - for the sake of his argument he will twist anything and everything. He is a spin-meister with little to no honour. He will play at being in the middle ground while he slowly attempts to screw you. Heck - if it was only willfull behavior that was at issue he wouldn't be so bad - but this man's psychological issues are so sublimated that much of the time he believes he is doing good, that he is being kind.

Here for instance he has been making misrepresentations for multiple posts - but not only is he burying the lies in sugar to make them more paletable to all of you, I think partl;y he does it because he thinks by lying he is doing good.

Hardner is the ultimate totalitarian bureaucrat personality - if you let him he will helpfully set down guidelines, and engage in carefully sweet paternalisitc lying, and he will altruistically not even ask for your thanks as he carries out this "work that someone must do." And when things go to pot - as they did on the web board he moderated to death, he will run off for somewhere else to begin anew - being helpful. And enjoying that disgusting power that scum like him believe they have.

He is the ultimate soviet apparatchink - but a low level one.

Edited September 29, 2007 by Sulaco

[jbg]

Oh sod off you pretentious little napoleon. Is it not enough that you screwed up a whole board - do you now have to peddle your BS everywhere else?

For anyone who might not know Mr. Hardner - for the sake of his argument he will twist anything and everything. He is a spin-meister with little to no honour. He will play at being in the middle ground while he slowly attempts to screw you. Heck - if it was only willfull behavior that was at issue he wouldn't be so bad - but this man's psychological issues are so sublimated that much of the time he believes he is doing good, that he is being kind.

Here for instance he has been making misrepresentations for multiple posts - but not only is he burying the lies in sugar to make them more paletable to all of you, I think partl;y he does it because he thinks by lying he is doing good.

Hardner is the ultimate totalitarian bureaucrat personality - if you let him he will helpfully set down guidelines, and engage in carefully sweet paternalisitc lying, and he will altruistically not even ask for your thanks as he carries out this "work that someone must do." And when things go to pot - as they did on the web board he moderated to death, he will run off for somewhere else to begin anew - being helpful. And enjoying that disgusting power that scum like him believe they have.

He is the ultimate soviet apparatchink - but a low level one.

What is the point of this diatribe?

[M.Dancer]

I will reiterate that ScottSA is an intelligent and informed poster, but unlike other posters of this ilk, he will withhold logic and reason at a certain point in the argument. You will see it over and over - the thread goes cold at a certain point. For example: somebody points out that one can't base analysis of crime rates by religion on hunting-and-pecking through Google news and posting crimes committed by anyone with a Muslim name.

I don't wish to point these things out, but I feel I need to - in order to explain to anyone who might engage in discussion with Scott. He's a special case, and you need to understand this about his arguments. None of this is meant as a personal comment, but as an aide to discussion.

As an example of his propensity to bullshit, at another forum which Hardner ran, he told everyone he was a moderator here.

[Sulaco]

What is the point of this diatribe?

To inform. And I prefer to think of it as a tirade. What is the point of your question? Were you hoping for a different answer?

Edited September 29, 2007 by Sulaco

[bush_cheney2004]

As an example of his propensity to bullshit, at another forum which Hardner ran, he told everyone he was a moderator here.

I think he is a moderator here....somebody has to keep things balanced with the wacky left!

[ScottSA]

I will reiterate that ScottSA is an intelligent and informed poster, but unlike other posters of this ilk, he will withhold logic and reason at a certain point in the argument. You will see it over and over - the thread goes cold at a certain point. For example: somebody points out that one can't base analysis of crime rates by religion on hunting-and-pecking through Google news and posting crimes committed by anyone with a Muslim name.

I don't wish to point these things out, but I feel I need to - in order to explain to anyone who might engage in discussion with Scott. He's a special case, and you need to understand this about his arguments. None of this is meant as a personal comment, but as an aide to discussion.

I don't know what you think you're going to accomplish with this nonsense Mikey, nor why you're doing it. Perhaps it's to make up for your failings as a man? I dunno, but why don't you drop the charade and don the goatsuit?

[Charles Anthony]

Everybody,

Stop the off-topic banter and fueling your personal vendettas.

[ScottSA]

Thank you Charles. Now then, back to the fascism in Brussels, apparently I'm not the only one who thinks so. Here's a cartoon an acquaintance sent from Brussels. The cartoon is in German, but here's his emailed description:

Cartoon:

http://de.news.yahoo.com/karikat/20070927/...dcdeb727a0.html

Email: Hello Scott,

Just for the fun, I am sending you a "political sketch" (I am not too sure how you call this).

It is unfortunately in German, and I found it today on http://de.news.yahoo.com/

It shows the mayor of Brussels, the infamous Thielemans, calling the government of Burma to congratulate him for the way they handle people's uprising,...

".. Europe has a still a lot to learn from you!".

Funny, isn't?

[Jerry Galinda]

Thank you Charles. Now then, back to the fascism in Brussels, apparently I'm not the only one who thinks so. Here's a cartoon an acquaintance sent from Brussels. The cartoon is in German, but here's his emailed description:

Cartoon:

http://de.news.yahoo.com/karikat/20070927/...dcdeb727a0.html

Email: Hello Scott,

Just for the fun, I am sending you a "political sketch" (I am not too sure how you call this).

It is unfortunately in German, and I found it today on http://de.news.yahoo.com/

It shows the mayor of Brussels, the infamous Thielemans, calling the government of Burma to congratulate him for the way they handle people's uprising,...

".. Europe has a still a lot to learn from you!".

Funny, isn't?

“back to the fascism in Brussels”

You repeat the same nonsense again and again as if it somehow validates your argument.

“I'm not the only one who thinks so” - former was Stalin for whom - everything on the West was fascism.

Even SPD (Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands) - it was social-fascism.

It was hypocrisy and propaganda - the ruler of the most authoritarian regime in Europe insulted western democracy.

How to define such authoritarian ultra-left regimes as Cuba, North Korea, Burma (supported by Russia and China) and former - communist countries in Europe ?

You reminds me such a small ideological ……………

Logic, common sense, facts - doesn’t matter - the most important is that some …… people think as you.

Don’t forget avoid Europe - especially Brussels - very “dangerous” place - because of “fascism” .

[ScottSA]

“back to the fascism in Brussels”

You repeat the same nonsense again and again as if it somehow validates your argument.

“I'm not the only one who thinks so” - former was Stalin for whom - everything on the West was fascism.

Even SPD (Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands) - it was social-fascism.

It was hypocrisy and propaganda - the ruler of the most authoritarian regime in Europe insulted western democracy.

How to define such authoritarian ultra-left regimes as Cuba, North Korea, Burma (supported by Russia and China) and former - communist countries in Europe ?

You reminds me such a small ideological ……………

Logic, common sense, facts - doesn’t matter - the most important is that some …… people think as you.

Don’t forget avoid Europe - especially Brussels - very “dangerous” place - because of “fascism” .

Jerry, with due respect, you've already made the point you want to make, but your unintelligible gibberish simply clogs up the thread. You are failing to make a distinction between fascism and the historical effects of fascism. Arbitrarly denying the right to political expression, and then enforcing your sanction with proactive violence against middle aged men in suits, who happen to be duly elected is something easily found in Germany in the 20s and 30s, but rarely found in advanced democracies. In fact I can't think of a single case in the democratic west since 1945 where a peaceful demonstration was broken up by baton wielding thugs for simply standing there.

[Jerry Galinda]

Jerry, with due respect, you've already made the point you want to make, but your unintelligible gibberish simply clogs up the thread. You are failing to make a distinction between fascism and the historical effects of fascism. Arbitrarly denying the right to political expression, and then enforcing your sanction with proactive violence against middle aged men in suits, who happen to be duly elected is something easily found in Germany in the 20s and 30s, but rarely found in advanced democracies. In fact I can't think of a single case in the democratic west since 1945 where a peaceful demonstration was broken up by baton wielding thugs for simply standing there.

Using the slogan “fascism’ by You is pure false, propaganda - not “political expression” !!

Situation in Brussels had nothing common with fascism !!

“distinction between fascism and the historical effects of fascism” ?

What are you talking about ??

“historical effects of fascism” - LOL

Fascism destroyed the spirit of democracy in West Europe ?

What are you talking about ??

“Spirit” of fascism in Brussels ??? German or Italian fascism ?

“easily found in Germany in the 20s and 30s’ ?? !!

The Weimar Republic wasn’t a liberal democracy ?? Lack of knowledge or “wise” propaganda.

Your English is perfect but your thinking is naïve and ahistorical.

Your luck of knowledge cause that you can’t understand my writing.

Probably you don’t know e.g. - Stalin’s "History of the CPSU( Short Course", you don’t know history of fascism and so on.

Nobody is perfect.

BTW - baton - wasn’t any attribute of fascism !!!

I don’t know any demonstrations in fascist Germany and fascist Italy - anyone tried to organize something like this. That’s why nobody had to use baton.

It’s obvious that :

-Democracy has borders,

-Democracy isn’t unlimited.

BTW - don’t forget that in Europe after World War II - communist countries - used weapons -guns - against demonstrators many times - killing many common people !

Was it a “spirit” of fascism ??????????

No doubt that such problems exist as :

- problem of immigration in Europe ,

- problem of Muslim in Europe,

-problem of national minorities ….

And so on, so on.

None of these problems will be solved overnight.

Public demonstrations are not the best method of solving such problems.

[ScottSA]

Using the slogan “fascism’ by You is pure false, propaganda - not “political expression” !!

Situation in Brussels had nothing common with fascism !!

“distinction between fascism and the historical effects of fascism” ?

What are you talking about ??

“historical effects of fascism” - LOL

Fascism destroyed the spirit of democracy in West Europe ?

What are you talking about ??

“Spirit” of fascism in Brussels ??? German or Italian fascism ?

“easily found in Germany in the 20s and 30s’ ?? !!

The Weimar Republic wasn’t a liberal democracy ?? Lack of knowledge or “wise” propaganda.

Your English is perfect but your thinking is naïve and ahistorical.

Your luck of knowledge cause that you can’t understand my writing.

Probably you don’t know e.g. - Stalin’s "History of the CPSU( Short Course", you don’t know history of fascism and so on.

Nobody is perfect.

BTW - baton - wasn’t any attribute of fascism !!!

I don’t know any demonstrations in fascist Germany and fascist Italy - anyone tried to organize something like this. That’s why nobody had to use baton.

It’s obvious that :

-Democracy has borders,

-Democracy isn’t unlimited.

BTW - don’t forget that in Europe after World War II - communist countries - used weapons -guns - against demonstrators many times - killing many common people !

Was it a “spirit” of fascism ??????????

No doubt that such problems exist as :

- problem of immigration in Europe ,

- problem of Muslim in Europe,

-problem of national minorities ….

And so on, so on.

None of these problems will be solved overnight.

Public demonstrations are not the best method of solving such problems.

Alrighty then. Next?

[Jerry Galinda]

"Alrighty then. Next? "

Next - You should stop talking about “fascism” in Brussels.

The proper question should be - 'How can we resolve the problem of immigration - especially Muslim immigration?

First of all - it’s obvious that nothing - ban - any wall -China Wall, Berlin’s Wall - can stop immigration.

BTW - You have a chance to change - improve - the bad situation - You should have ten children.

Frankly speaking - nobody knows - how to achieve:

- happiness,

- disarmament,

- cooperation,

- collaboration,

- harmony,

- sympathy,

- understanding,

- agreement,

- …………………

between people, nations, countries - and so on.

I’m sure that We (people, Christians, Muslims, Jews, ….. ) should talk and have PATIENCE !

It’s better than WAR and violence !!!!

[Rue]

I don't sleep well, because I know the sheer numbers of fools in this country who seem to think it's not only ok, but an actual virtue to endorse the fascist tendencies of 3rd world barbarians.

I guess it takes one to know one. The very same thing you think you are criticizing you are engaging in.

Some of us distinguish between repugnant politics and innocent human beings who simply by virtue of their religion we do nto assume automatically can be negatively characterized as having these beliefs. That's precisely what facists do. What next? Oh I know let's round them all up and?

1 Gas

2-Guantanomo Bay

3-reservations

4-place them all on transport planes and kick them out when the plane flies over Somalia

5-parachutes-no that would be too liberal.

[Rue]

Interesting the selectivity as to which Facism upsets Scotty.

Of course Vlaam Belang the party that organized the marches does not seem to make it to his radar screen of concern of facist things in Europe-just people who are Muslim who live there.

Hmm.

Oh I know who Flip Dewinter is do you Scotty? What a nice tolerant man. Peace loving. Kind and caring and tolerant of those who don't agree with him. Hint: I don't thing my kind can live in his neighbourgood. No what I mean wink wink nudge nudge say no more?

Oh but let us do talk of Vlaam Belang. Last time I looked they reconsituted their name because under their previous name their shennanigans and advocacy of racism got them in a tad bit of difficulty.

So Scotty are they paragons of democracy and warriors against facism? Of course. You can tell...because they are anti-immigrant and want to seperate the Flems out of Belgium. They also want to deport anyone who does not assimilate. AH yes. Resistance to assimilation is futile. Borgs.

Hey you probably should let Leafless know that Vlaam Belang want a Christian state and are against sam sex marriages and abortions. In short they have the same platform of the Christian Heritage Pary does here in Canada. They hate the French language and consider the French the enemy.

You know who I really really love about their members? well its got guys like Roland Raes. What a guy! Of course he denies the holocaust ever existed and when asked about it said and I quote; " whether it was planned that they should all die during the war is another question.."

I just love revisionists.

Hey that reminds me, Vlaam Belang has a platform calling on all Nazi colaborators to be forgiven from war crimes. Sounds good to me!!!

Here is the point. Yes in a democracy, marching and expressing one's political views is essential and no I do not advocate resricting freedom of speech.

But what Scotty has conveniently ignored is that this demonstration was organized by people with an openly racist agenda. These aren't innocent freedom loving democrats interested in preserving free speech, these are people with a hate agenda.

Its a hate agenda because they label ALL Muslims in one negative category.

Tell you what Scott. You want to debate honestly and criticize those aspects of the Muslim religion you find anti-democractic, fine do that and I probably will agree with most of them.

Here is my problem. That is not what you are doing nor was it what Vlaam Belang was intending to do. What Vlaam Belang intended with its march and what you are now doing is to advance a gross negative generalization that ALL Muslims are demons and evil.

See that is precisely my problem and of course you couldn't resist turning it into an attack against ALL Muslims with reference to 3rd world barbarians.

I am the first to criticize anyone of any fundamentalist religion that preaches intolerance for the same reason I am the first up in your face criticizing you for the exact same fundamentalist intolerance.

In my opinion, you are precisely the demon you claim exists in Muslims when you engage in such tactics.

Yesterday it was Jews in Belgium, today Muslims, who next?

WHat gives you the right to assume all Muslims in Brussels or Belgium are all Borg and all think the same way and are all engaged in a conspiracy to take away democracy?

Who died and made you Captain Picard?

Sorry if I have something to criticize, I do not engage in words I know call on people to hate an entire people simply because they are Muslim.

That was precisely the concern in Belgium. They feared for public safety. They were not as sure as you were that these lovely decent gentle civil warm caring people seeking to confront facism marching under the songs and ballads of Vlaam Belang would be able to differentiate a Muslim from the demons they think they fight.

See me I get a tad nervous when I see someone yelling and screaming about Muslims or anyone else. I don't liek crowds. Reminbds me of all those nasty people with their torches who ganged up and killed poor Frankenstein. I mean so Frankly looked different. So would you if someone sewed your head back on! Is that any reason to burn and pillage or put on those silly hoods and scream about preserving culture and white supremacy?

Kind of reminds me of a Baboon that establishes its terrritory by bouncing up and down and sticking its butt out.

Me I like otters myself. They may be all wet but they are cute and just mind their own business swimming around, eating some fish.

Me when I see a bunch of baboons making noise cuz come Camels come to close to their trees my tendency is to do what any otter does, tell the camels to watch where they step.

Now Scotty to be selective who you portray as paragons of virtue would you?

Bet you just adore Enoch Powell. What a guy.

By the way the Deputy Mayor of Brussels is cute. You should be so lucky to have her take you out.

The Algerian women I know are all babes. Can handle themselves too. This one happens to be very well respected and has brains to match her face. Careful now. She may be Muslim but speaks four languages and probably can kick yer butt.

Edited October 3, 2007 by Rue

[M.Dancer]

Kind of ironic though, a political germanic party based on racial lines accusing the multi-racial government of fascism.....yeah yeah I know, aryanism and fascism are interchangable terms.....but it's still funny

Given Rue's last post, I thought I would regurgitate this one.

It seems the Irony of a racialist party calling others Fascist escaped most people.....

[guyser]

Given Rue's last post, I thought I would regurgitate this one.

It seems the Irony of a racialist party calling others Fascist escaped most people.....

Hell , I keep watching the video to look for the "wholesale rounding up" , maybe three people is wholesale but I doubt it , and to find the brutal violence that took place.

Looked like a normal Saturday night in downtown Chapleau .

[ScottSA]

Interesting the selectivity as to which Facism upsets Scotty.

Of course Vlaam Belang the party that organized the marches does not seem to make it to his radar screen of concern of facist things in Europe-just people who are Muslim who live there.

Hmm.

Oh I know who Flip Dewinter is do you Scotty? What a nice tolerant man. Peace loving. Kind and caring and tolerant of those who don't agree with him. Hint: I don't thing my kind can live in his neighbourgood. No what I mean wink wink nudge nudge say no more?

Oh but let us do talk of Vlaam Belang. Last time I looked they reconsituted their name because under their previous name their shennanigans and advocacy of racism got them in a tad bit of difficulty.

So Scotty are they paragons of democracy and warriors against facism? Of course. You can tell...because they are anti-immigrant and want to seperate the Flems out of Belgium. They also want to deport anyone who does not assimilate. AH yes. Resistance to assimilation is futile. Borgs.

Hey you probably should let Leafless know that Vlaam Belang want a Christian state and are against sam sex marriages and abortions. In short they have the same platform of the Christian Heritage Pary does here in Canada. They hate the French language and consider the French the enemy.

You know who I really really love about their members? well its got guys like Roland Raes. What a guy! Of course he denies the holocaust ever existed and when asked about it said and I quote; " whether it was planned that they should all die during the war is another question.."

I just love revisionists.

Hey that reminds me, Vlaam Belang has a platform calling on all Nazi colaborators to be forgiven from war crimes. Sounds good to me!!!

Here is the point. Yes in a democracy, marching and expressing one's political views is essential and no I do not advocate resricting freedom of speech.

But what Scotty has conveniently ignored is that this demonstration was organized by people with an openly racist agenda. These aren't innocent freedom loving democrats interested in preserving free speech, these are people with a hate agenda.

Its a hate agenda because they label ALL Muslims in one negative category.

Tell you what Scott. You want to debate honestly and criticize those aspects of the Muslim religion you find anti-democractic, fine do that and I probably will agree with most of them.

Here is my problem. That is not what you are doing nor was it what Vlaam Belang was intending to do. What Vlaam Belang intended with its march and what you are now doing is to advance a gross negative generalization that ALL Muslims are demons and evil.

See that is precisely my problem and of course you couldn't resist turning it into an attack against ALL Muslims with reference to 3rd world barbarians.

I am the first to criticize anyone of any fundamentalist religion that preaches intolerance for the same reason I am the first up in your face criticizing you for the exact same fundamentalist intolerance.

In my opinion, you are precisely the demon you claim exists in Muslims when you engage in such tactics.

Yesterday it was Jews in Belgium, today Muslims, who next?

WHat gives you the right to assume all Muslims in Brussels or Belgium are all Borg and all think the same way and are all engaged in a conspiracy to take away democracy?

Who died and made you Captain Picard?

Sorry if I have something to criticize, I do not engage in words I know call on people to hate an entire people simply because they are Muslim.

That was precisely the concern in Belgium. They feared for public safety. They were not as sure as you were that these lovely decent gentle civil warm caring people seeking to confront facism marching under the songs and ballads of Vlaam Belang would be able to differentiate a Muslim from the demons they think they fight.

See me I get a tad nervous when I see someone yelling and screaming about Muslims or anyone else. I don't liek crowds. Reminbds me of all those nasty people with their torches who ganged up and killed poor Frankenstein. I mean so Frankly looked different. So would you if someone sewed your head back on! Is that any reason to burn and pillage or put on those silly hoods and scream about preserving culture and white supremacy?

Kind of reminds me of a Baboon that establishes its terrritory by bouncing up and down and sticking its butt out.

Me I like otters myself. They may be all wet but they are cute and just mind their own business swimming around, eating some fish.

Me when I see a bunch of baboons making noise cuz come Camels come to close to their trees my tendency is to do what any otter does, tell the camels to watch where they step.

Now Scotty to be selective who you portray as paragons of virtue would you?

Bet you just adore Enoch Powell. What a guy.

By the way the Deputy Mayor of Brussels is cute. You should be so lucky to have her take you out.

The Algerian women I know are all babes. Can handle themselves too. This one happens to be very well respected and has brains to match her face. Careful now. She may be Muslim but speaks four languages and probably can kick yer butt.

I imaging you must be drunk to engage in this kind of silliness, and I barely know where to begin, so suffice it to say:

1 However Enoch Powell may have misphrased his speech, I agree wholeheartedly not only with his sentiment, but his apparent prescience as well.

2 Vlaam Belang is a seperatist party which attended the demonstration as invited participants. To my knowledge it is in no way anti-Semetic, so either you simply made that up and tossed it in there, or you know something I don't. The Islamisation it is fighting against, in this particular demonstration, IS, however a tad anti-Semetic.

3 "Racist agenda". If by that you mean they want to stop the Islamification of Belgium, kudos to them! I suspect you're just tossing that out there in the same ridiculous mudslinging as the rest of your post, though, so whatever...

4 Rue, you argue the same points against my alleged "racism" as your opponents argue against you in regard to Israel. Would you want hordes of Muslims to become citizens of Israel? I suspect not. Is that "racism?" Probably. Is it wrong? No. Your opinions seem so dissonant that they are beginning to lack credibility. Emotive, to be sure, but apparently you have two different standards: one for Israel and one for the rest of the world. A await another emotive mudslinging diatribe, unless you're nursing a hangover, of course.

[Canadian Blue]

2 Vlaam Belang is a seperatist party which attended the demonstration as invited participants. To my knowledge it is in no way anti-Semetic, so either you simply made that up and tossed it in there, or you know something I don't. The Islamisation it is fighting against, in this particular demonstration, IS, however a tad anti-Semetic.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journa...,449278,00.html

Raes has a long history of close involvement with the far right in Europe and was for many years responsible for the Belgian distribution of a magazine called De Schakel which was edited in Argentina by former members of the Flemish SS.

So he isn't anti-semitic or fascist, he just happens to be involved with former members of the SS?

3 "Racist agenda". If by that you mean they want to stop the Islamification of Belgium, kudos to them! I suspect you're just tossing that out there in the same ridiculous mudslinging as the rest of your post, though, so whatever...

By capitalizing on fear of a religious minority, didn't a certain other party do that in the 1930's?

Even more troubling news from Belguim with regards to the far right.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/st...1867379,00.html

Belgian police yesterday arrested 17 alleged neo-Nazis, mostly serving soldiers, who were said to be planning to destabilise the country's institutions in a series of terrorist attacks. In simultaneous raids on five army barracks and 18 private addresses across the northern Flanders half of Belgium, police uncovered a homemade bomb and numerous weapons.

The raids by 150 police officers in East Flanders, Antwerp and Limburg were the most dramatic breakthrough in a two-year investigation into far-right activists allegedly operating inside the armed forces.

The federal prosecutor's office, which is not limited by the sort of pre-trial restrictions in force in Britain, described the arrested people as mainly "soldiers and people with an extreme right ideology who clearly express themselves through racism, xenophobia, Holocaust denial, anti-semitism and neo-Nazism".

The main suspect, who is a member of the neo-Nazi Blood and Honour Flanders group, recruited in military bases throughout Flanders, the Flemish-speaking half of Belgium.

The arrests are likely to have a strong impact in Belgium, where mainstream politicians are bracing themselves for significant advances by the hard-right Vlaams Belang party in next month's local elections. The party insists it is non-violent, however, and distances itself from neo-Nazis.

Edited October 4, 2007 by Canadian Blue

[ScottSA]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journa...,449278,00.html

Thanks for proving my point. "Vlaams Blok (VB) has now lost control of its own extremist elements and outrageous talk..."

What that means, for the lesser witted among us, is that some of its elements are shooting off at the mouth, unsanctioned by the party. Like some elements of the reeform party in canada did. What that has to do with the platform is rather beyond me.

In any event it really doesn't matter what the party platform is...and I admit I'm not familiar with it; what matters is that it IS a party, duly registered and perfectly legal, and it was at a demonstration that got shut down with police brutality. It's not clear why so many people are determined to ignore the issue and ad hominem it to death.