Iran

[JerrySeinfeld]

One for you all to ponder and discuss:

Imagine how Iran would behave if it already had the bomb...

[M.Dancer]

One for you all to ponder and discuss:

Imagine how Iran would behave if it already had the bomb...

Would they be more thoughtful if the had sit down toilets?

[ScottSA]

One for you all to ponder and discuss:

Imagine how Iran would behave if it already had the bomb...

Would they be more thoughtful if the had sit down toilets?

That's really a good question, you know. In all seriousness. Countless excellent ideas have originated whilst the author is sitting and shitt.., errr, on the toilet. Asia missed out entirely on the toilet time alotted to thinking and stink... about earthshattering matters while conducting earshatterin...ok, I have to stop now...

[geoffrey]

Would they be more thoughtful if the had sit down toilets?

This is surely a joke. They don't have sit-down toilets?

[ScottSA]

Would they be more thoughtful if the had sit down toilets?

This is surely a joke. They don't have sit-down toilets?

No. http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=asi...m=1&sa=N&tab=wi

[geoffrey]

That's terrible.

[M.Dancer]

Would they be more thoughtful if the had sit down toilets?

This is surely a joke. They don't have sit-down toilets?

No. http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=asi...m=1&sa=N&tab=wi

That's asian....

http://images.google.ca/images?svnum=10&um...iranian+toilets

[ScottSA]

That's terrible.

It's Gawdawful if your emissions are a bit loose. Worse if your knee tends to give out. Nightmarish if you're loose and your knee tends to give out and you were expecting to find toilet paper when you finish.

[DogOnPorch]

Then there's Bombay toilets in the poorer sections....ewwwwwwww.

http://www.simone.bruno.name/india/Day4/index.htm

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[ScottSA]

Actually, in India toilets are rarely used, and toilet paper is never used. The great outdoors is far easier and modesty really isn't an issue, and water and the left hand is used for toilet paper. In the 60s, if folks had to travel from one vollage to the next, their bicycle would have a transistor radio on the back if they were "middle class", but always, without exception, there would be a brass pot of water (I can't remember what it's called) sitting on the mousetrap behind the rider. I don't imagine that things are any different now, except that transistor radios have given way to MP3s...

[DogOnPorch]

Actually, in India toilets are rarely used, and toilet paper is never used.

Well I was generous in calling filth encrusted cardboard boxes Thomas Crappers...heheh. The disturbing part of those photos are the young lads searching for scrap metal and other objects of "value" in the open Bombay sewers. That can't be good....

As for Iran and the bomb. I shudder to think what Iran with a nuke + launcher would do. Either via strongarm tactics like were seeing now...or just plain launching the damn thing at Israel and dealing with the 'fallout' afterwards.

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---Bob Vila

[JerrySeinfeld]

Actually, in India toilets are rarely used, and toilet paper is never used.

Well I was generous in calling filth encrusted cardboard boxes Thomas Crappers...heheh. The disturbing part of those photos are the young lads searching for scrap metal and other objects of "value" in the open Bombay sewers. That can't be good....

As for Iran and the bomb. I shudder to think what Iran with a nuke + launcher would do. Either via strongarm tactics like were seeing now...or just plain launching the damn thing at Israel and dealing with the 'fallout' afterwards.

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Especially in hot climates, where houses have a big deck, make sure it's well-supported and that there are no signs of rot. You want to be sure it's going to hold up when a dozen people sit on it during an afternoon cookout.

---Bob Vila

It's tough to deter people who want and believe armageddon will bring the 12th Imam.

[BubberMiley]

It's tough to deter people who want and believe armageddon will bring the 12th Imam.

Or the rapture, for that matter.

[DogOnPorch]

Or the rapture, for that matter.

Oh get serious...most folks in the secular/agnostic West could give a fiddler's f**k about the stupid Christian rapture. In fact, the only time I hear about it on a regular basis is at forums like these.

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We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another.

---Jonathan Swift

[Remiel]

It doesn't matter what most people in the West think, what matters is what the guy with his finger on the West's button thinks.

Khomeini is a lot brighter than some of you claim to be, thankfully. Iran with a nuke would NOT be committing national suicide by actually using it unless someone were actually coming to level their country anyway.

[Argus]

It doesn't matter what most people in the West think, what matters is what the guy with his finger on the West's button thinks.

Khomeini is a lot brighter than some of you claim to be, thankfully.

Khomeini has been dead for almost two decades, genius.

[Remiel]

Why thank you, Argus, it's about time you acknowledged that my intellect is superior to yours.

So, I should have said, Khamenei, but the point still stands.

[obsidian]

I think if Iran had the bomb, we wouldn't be able to take their oil. Nukes really are only effective as deterrents, it would be incredibly stupid if they used them offensively. Not to mention with the US building more missle sights in Europe we wouldnt have much to worry about.

Hypothetically, we can most likely shoot down ICBM's with lasers. THEL can already shoot down katyucha rockets, various other missles/rockets, and mortar. The arial mounted high energy laser, which is mounted on a plane, has a range of 250 KM (limited by the curvature of the earth) and when tweaked to be strong enough will be able to explode ICBMs.

If Iran had a nuke, maybe we would get over it, and then we wouldn't have a false pretext for war with them.

and the whole standing up toilet thing, its not just Iran. they have them in france, spain, and I saw a few in germany aswell...

[bush_cheney2004]

Hypothetically, we can most likely shoot down ICBM's with lasers. THEL can already shoot down katyucha rockets, various other missles/rockets, and mortar. The arial mounted high energy laser, which is mounted on a plane, has a range of 250 KM (limited by the curvature of the earth) and when tweaked to be strong enough will be able to explode ICBMs.

We? Sorry, Canada opted out of the neat BMD toys.

[moderateamericain]

Hypothetically, we can most likely shoot down ICBM's with lasers. THEL can already shoot down katyucha rockets, various other missles/rockets, and mortar. The arial mounted high energy laser, which is mounted on a plane, has a range of 250 KM (limited by the curvature of the earth) and when tweaked to be strong enough will be able to explode ICBMs.

We? Sorry, Canada opted out of the neat BMD toys.

It's not gonna matter now, the US is more likely then not going to go to war in some way with Iran in the near future in my opinion. I was hoping it would not happen for at least a year but its about to bust in my opinion.

[Borg]

One for you all to ponder and discuss:

Imagine how Iran would behave if it already had the bomb...

Hmm .... shield it nicely in a largeh heavy metal and lead box. Put it in a container and load it on a ship. Send it to New York, Boston, San Francisco, London, Amsterdam and a few other places - and then set them off.

If Iran had the bomb - then I would truly, truly be concerned. I do believe they are quite capable of this scenario - as are several other middle east arab countries.

However there will be those here who will tell me Iran is a peace loving, democratic and modern country that is simply is in a tough place because of Bush and Blair and their Jewish favoured political policies.

Those who would say that need to go and live there for a little while - then they might change their thoughts on this.

Life in the middle east is not sacrosanct and it is not valued as in western society - this one simple value will be used against us many times.

And sooner or later the above scenario will be played out.

Borg

[Remiel]

No one is suggesting that Iran is a " peace loving, democratic and modern country, " they are merely suggesting that Iran has a good a grasp on strategy as anyone else does. Nuclear weapons are a better strategy for defense than they are for offense, because everyone else invariably has enough to destroy obliterate you should you actually use one on someone elses soil.

Iran and North Korea should be the last countries to want someone to set of a nuclear bomb of any kind in the US, because anyone with a brain can see they will be the first countries the US lays the blame on, even if they are not responsible.

[DogOnPorch]

Borg: Hmm .... shield it nicely in a largeh heavy metal and lead box. Put it in a container and load it on a ship. Send it to New York, Boston, San Francisco, London, Amsterdam and a few other places - and then set them off.

Apparently, less than 5% of all cargo containers are 'checked'...less again in ports like Vancouver. I tend to agree that this will be the delivery system of choice for nations without good ICBMs who possess nuclear weapons. Also, we can assume that once the A-Bomb is a done deal, like India and Pakistan, they'll start building bigger examples and perhaps even the H-Bomb. Another weapon we'd best watch out for in the future is the semi-mythical (thank-you Planet of the Apes) Cobalt bomb which is heavy on the fallout.

In the West, the H-Bomb is a bit of a white elephant as it can affect such a large area...hard to justify its use in anything other than a Doomsday scenario. With Iranian leaders waiting for such a day, apparently, this might be the ideal weapon...city buster.

Borg: If Iran had the bomb - then I would truly, truly be concerned. I do believe they are quite capable of this scenario - as are several other middle east arab countries.

I agree...at least with the current pack-o'-cards in 'office'.

Borg: Life in the middle east is not sacrosanct and it is not valued as in western society - this one simple value will be used against us many times.

Heck...it's being used against us now.

Remiel: No one is suggesting that Iran is a " peace loving, democratic and modern country, " they are merely suggesting that Iran has a good a grasp on strategy as anyone else does. Nuclear weapons are a better strategy for defense than they are for offense, because everyone else invariably has enough to destroy obliterate you should you actually use one on someone elses soil.

True enough...from a Russian/Western point of view. But in the hands of a fanatical theocracy, Doomsday might seem like a viable option. KaBoom...let Allah sort it out.

Strategy-wise...I'm far more dubious of the Muslim/Arabs of the Middle-East. Poor generals w/ even poorer soldiers/pilots/sailors. In a conventional battle...they're toast.

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[mcqueen625]

As for Iran and the bomb. I shudder to think what Iran with a nuke + launcher would do. Either via strong arm tactics like were seeing now...or just plain launching the damn thing at Israel and dealing with the 'fallout' afterwards.

Exactly right, it would be the start of WW III, and the really sad part is the Iranian's have no idea what life would be like post-nuclear strike on Tehran, and sadder still is the fact that they actually believe all the hot air coming from the Islamist government. I'm sure many believe that they could take on the West and win. Maybe a taste of what could be their future would be like could be demonstrated to them with using nuclear.

They should feel lucky I am not in change of the British government because I would have considered this abduction in Iraqi waters, as an act of war and launched a full-out military assault on Iran. If the people of Iran are stupid enough to swallow the crap their religious leaders are filling them with, they deserve whatever they get.

I know the meek and mild would say the only way to go is through negotiations, but how far has negotiations gotten the international community and the UN so far? Nowhere, that where, and it's time to end this diplomatic crap and tell the Iranian government they are going to comply with the UN Security Council's demands or the UN will do it for them. Enough pussy-footing around!

[M.Dancer]

They should feel lucky I am not in change of the British government because I would have considered this abduction in Iraqi waters, as an act of war and launched a full-out military assault on Iran. If the people of Iran are stupid enough to swallow the crap their religious leaders are filling them with, they deserve whatever they get.

The British should feel lucky too. As a middle power, Britain doesn't have the forces available to take on Iran by themselves, given that everything Britain has has to be shipped to the battle and everything Iran has is right there. While action against Iran might be one sided in the favour of the UK, it would neither be powerful enough to be decisive or to get their people back.

Instead what the British will do is to work the diplomatic channels and gather support. Once all diplomatic efforts have been exhausted then with the material and moral backing of the EU and NATO, the UK could act robustly.