The World is Lining Up Aganst American Imperialism

[scribblet]

"I don't know, I think the world would rather ally with Israel, than a country which denies the holocaust, and has dream's of wiping out the Jews."

Ah, yes, good point. Instead, we should encourage jews to purchase little boys from strangers and cut skin off their "you know whats." Since that is what the jews proclaim their religion is founded on (Genesis 17). This not only sounds like fun, but makes perfect sense.

Wow, I can't believe you said that. Many non Jews use circumcision for health reasons, less so today.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear bush_cheney2004,

Say what? They "all died when their choppers 'crashed'? Got any details on that? I recall that Eagle Claw was aborted at Desert One, and the Herc/chopper crash resulted in 8 killed, not "all" ingress forces.

Interesting. When I first heard the story, I believe that they had said "Two helicopters crashed into each other shortly after take-off' and all aboard both choppers were killed'. This may simply have been the story that the press put out without having all the facts, or my memory may be faulty, as it was some time ago.

Still, the story remains suspicious.

from...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2506807.stm

With Ronald Reagan now in charge at the White House, the US agreed to unfreeze Iranian assets in return for the release of the hostages.

The release of the prisoners was delayed until the day of Ronald Reagan's inauguration as president - in a final snub to President Carter.

Obviously, as history has shown, the 'unfreezing of assets' was only part of the deal.

[frogs]

Ah, yes, good point. Instead, we should encourage jews to purchase little boys from strangers and cut skin off their "you know whats." Since that is what the jews proclaim their religion is founded on (Genesis 17). This not only sounds like fun, but makes perfect sense.

Wow, I can't believe you said that. Many non Jews use circumcision for health reasons, less so today.

This is their fact, not mine. There is no such thing as getting the disease when the schwantz is CLEAN! That's impossible!

But it is true, if one doesn't care to wash, that complications can occur. Anyhow, their religion is based on that, it's not my fault. But, I certainly wouldn't trust anyone who belongs to a religion based on that! This fact is one of the stupidest and obviously, anti human behaviours, especially for babies, because the doctors is stealing something that doesn't belong to him or the parents. If the child becomes an adult and decides this makes sense, well, it's his body! But for doctors to do this to babies is so retarded ... and they are aware that the disease is impossible with cleanliness... they don't like to advertise the fact though! All doctors should be raving against this for babies and children.

[sharkman]

Look dude, their religion is not based not circumsicion. Their religion is based on following Jehovah's laws. Picking one at random just because it tickles your fancy does not make it so. That would be like picking on the Muslim faith and saying it's based on cutting off the hand of a thief. You obviously need to get out more.

[Wilber]

Don't forget, Jimmy Carter sent in a couple of 'Delta teams', or special forces to rescue those hostages. They all died when their choppers 'crashed'. Then, the hostages were released because of secret negotiations behind Carter's back to sell Iran missiles, and the proceeds were used to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. Who was involved, you ask? GHW Bush, as VP to Reagan, and Reagan's campaign manager-cum-CIA director William Casey (nicknamed 'the spookiest of all spooks').

So Carter's efforts with the hostages looks like it failed due to tremendously bad luck, yet when all the circumstance is examined, it looks a lot like sabotage.

The Carter years were a low point for the US military and that included the serviceability of their equipment. They were headed in the same direction as our military under Chretien.

[jbg]

Look dude, their religion is not based not circumsicion. Their religion is based on following Jehovah's laws. Picking one at random just because it tickles your fancy does not make it so. That would be like picking on the Muslim faith and saying it's based on cutting off the hand of a thief. You obviously need to get out more.

This is the same poster who said, and I'm paraphrasing "the Jews have New York. Why do they need Israel?" Obviously, his fascination with the Jews has now gone phallic.

[sharkman]

This is the same poster who said, and I'm paraphrasing "the Jews have New York. Why do they need Israel?" Obviously, his fascination with the Jews has now gone phallic.

Sometimes an observation is so apt, there is nothing left to say...

[jbg]

This is the same poster who said, and I'm paraphrasing "the Jews have New York. Why do they need Israel?" Obviously, his fascination with the Jews has now gone phallic.

Sometimes an observation is so apt, there is nothing left to say...

It's a shame that quality, thoughtful posts are ignored on this board, and drivel such as "911 an inside job" goes to 65 pages. Ah, but that happens on all boards.

More the pity.

[Cameron]

I don't think anyone has answered the question "Which country would you choose to live in, USA, Iran, or Venezuela" in regards to some members "Being happy that these countries are standing up to the USA".

I am interested to hear some of the pendants of the US answers. What will it be...and I want honest answers from people...would you really like to live in Iran.....

[jbg]

I am interested to hear some of the pendants of the US answers. What will it be...and I want honest answers from people...would you really like to live in Iran.....

One can see mass volumes of Americans defecting to Iran, Venezuela and Cuba.

All kidding aside, my point here is that many bash the US endlessly, ignoring the fact that it has been a beacon of hope, freedom and safety to people throughout the world. If it weren't I wouldn't be typing this out; the drunken mobs in Russia (Ukraine actually) or the concentration camps that serviced what's now the Czech Republic and/or Poland would have finished off my ancestors.

And for what benefit? Europe, as the result of a millenium of religious persecutions and wars suffered a huge "brain drain" when the US and Canada reached critical mass. Over here, we're all benefitting.

Thanks, Cameron, for your post.

[M.Dancer]

The US imports almost the same amount of oil from Canada as it does from all of the Middle East.

Of course, as usual, your facts are wrong .. but don't let that stop you.

What a pity you always and consistanty refuse to back up your baloney.....

US oil imports

Canada- (2.064 million barrels per day)

Saudia Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait 2.27 million abrrels per day)

November 2006 Import Highlights: Released on February 2, 2007

Monthly data on the origins of crude oil imports in November 2006 has been released and it shows that three countries have each exported more than 1.40 million barrels per day to the United States, and one country shows exports of greater than 2.00 million barrels per day. Including those countries, a total of four countries exported over 1.00 million barrels per day of crude oil to the United States (see table below). The top five exporting countries accounted for 71 percent of United States crude oil imports in November while the top ten sources accounted for approximately 89 percent of all U.S. crude oil imports. The top sources of US crude oil imports for November were Canada (2.064 million barrels per day), Mexico (1.462 million barrels per day), Saudi Arabia (1.444 million barrels per day), Venezuela (1.088 million barrels per day), and Nigeria (0.919 million barrels per day). The rest of the top ten sources, in order, were Iraq (0.573 million barrels per day), Angola (0.505 million barrels per day), Algeria (0.253 million barrels per day), Kuwait (0.253 million barrels per day), and Ecuador (0.243 million barrels per day). Total crude oil imports averaged 9.837 million barrels per day in November, which is a decrease of 0.295 million barrels per day from October 2006.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petrole...ent/import.html

As usual, you're full of it

[Cameron]

Please remember to back your comments up with facts. It's always nice to say it's sunny out before you even look outside....

Hearsay just leads to more problems.

[blackascoal]

I don't think anyone has answered the question "Which country would you choose to live in, USA, Iran, or Venezuela" in regards to some members "Being happy that these countries are standing up to the USA".

I am interested to hear some of the pendants of the US answers. What will it be...and I want honest answers from people...would you really like to live in Iran.....

I'll answer your question by it's a strawman argument that completely misses the point. I'm an American and I'd rather live in America than Iran or Venezula, but I'd also rather live here than live in Canada. What's the point? I don't believe that where I happen to live gives me any more authority than what the color of my skin is .. and your question is dependent on what time it is. If asked that question 50 years ago, my answer would have been different. If the US continues its downward spiral as it is currently doing, 20 years from now your answer might be different .. and that is the point.

The problem with your question, in my opinion, is that it's an escape from the mirror. Instead of looking at our own (America) reflection in the mirror, you seem to suggest that we look out the window at somebody else that might be uglier. I started this thread to discuss AMERICA and its faltering place in the world, which has only gotten worse since I first posted it. What Iran and Venezula have in common regarding US imperialim is that they've both been victims of it. ..

Discussing whether one would rather live here or in one of the countries we've intervened in their political affairs to the detriment of their people and society is hardly germaine to the issue .. and it's a long ass way from honest discussion, in my opinion. Why not ask if one would rather live in New York or Hiroshima or Nagasaki?

What is germaine is the blowback from our actions such as in Iran and Venezula .. and Hiroshima and Nagaski .. and Iraq .. and throughout the middle east .. and all of Latin America.

But that takes the ability to look in the mirror, not out the window.

[jbg]

US oil imports

Canada- (2.064 million barrels per day)

Saudia Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait 2.27 million abrrels per day)

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petrole...ent/import.html

Oil is a fungible commodity. Thus, the source of imports is 100% irrelevant.

[M.Dancer]

US oil imports

Canada- (2.064 million barrels per day)

Saudia Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait 2.27 million abrrels per day)

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petrole...ent/import.html

Oil is a fungible commodity. Thus, the source of imports is 100% irrelevant.

umm.....remember the oil crisis of then 70s.....?

How about the Japanese during the Second World War?.....thier first source of oil was the US.

When the source of oil is unstable, the prices soar....

[Jerry J. Fortin]

The US needs to shift its focus from international to domestic politics. The need to lower their profile and work on their own backyard. Its getting a little hot in the kitchen.............

[kimmy]

Go Iran. Go Venezuela. Yee-haw.

Somebody who'd get excited about these clowns banding together against Anglo-American dominance probably would have got excited about Germany and Japan banding together against Anglo-American dominance in 1940.

-k

[PolyNewbie]

kimmy:Go Iran. Go Venezuela. Yee-haw.

You should sign up. Volunteer for the fight for freedom & democracy if you feel so strongly.

I have often considered joining myself because it is really a good thing to go through. You would be a better person for having served. The reason I don't is because I know the army is just a collection agency and thug for the international bankers.

[PolyNewbie]

Jerry J Fortin:The need to lower their profile and work on their own backyard. Its getting a little hot in the kitchen.............

The backyards been sold off to the corporations. Politicians will not have much to say except for what the (bargain basement) sale price is.

[obsidian]

we think we are immortal and perfect, all empires eventually fall. however we have had many many years to prepare for this, as soon as ww2 ended it was obvious that the US and its allies would be asked to defend their global hegemony.

a testament to this is the state of the art weapons technology, however this may not be enough.

i think we have air superiority down, on lock down. we own the skies, and dont think we wont all be using f-22's, commanches, and jsf-35's by the time this war begins.

i dont think we need to worry about any large scale nuclear attack, the majority of nuclear weapons stockpiled are only of strategic use for detterence. not to mention we can shoot down rockets with lasers, in theory, there is no reason why a larger laser wouldnt be able to destroy the ICBM. <--un-tested

we will see the emergence of unseen weapons. like RAFAEL's TROPHY which detonates and any explosives launched at the vehicle equipped. it acts like an invisible force field, however it is only activated once a threat has been identified and tracked. this significanty reduces the weight of our tanks, by only having the need for bullet proof, not rpg proof armor. if it is put on an air plane, theyre pretty much immune to any attack. considering that most of our planes can outfly our adversaries in a dog fight, therefore eliminating the only weakness to cannon fire .THEL is already in use, it is a laser with a range of 250 km, can shoot down multiple incoming mortar rounds aswell as missles. the active denial system has a range of 500km and causes intense pain, however this is intended to be used by the police, not the military. and if this is whats unclassified and in use, imagine what they have in their secret arsenal. military technology is usually 15-20 years ahead of civilian technology.

however the most important thing in a mechanized war is oil. i dont know how much nato has stockpiled, but i dont think its enough to last a war.

i believe this war has already started. to sustain the war we will need to be fighting for oil at the same time as fighting our adversaries. the US already has military bases around the world in most of the oil producing nations. a significant amount in saudi arabia. PNAC identifies this very problem, and i believe that is also why we are in iraq. the middle east is our launching platform from the imminent clash with russia and china.

however i do not believe this time we will be able to escape a war on the homefront. if china and russias analyst's dont plan on attacking through northern canada they dont have much of a chance. as we observed in ww2, because of our location, we were significantly less affected by the war compared to britain. if russia and china come through or north, we're screwed, well atleast canada. isnt like 75% of our population or more within 100 km of the US border? the north is a huge gaping whole, open for attack, that i fear we may have over looked. could they not push through our weak defenses in the north like a hot knife through butter? where will the opposition come from? i think for the majority of their march will be without fighting. however once we allow them into the north, they can then set up bases, airports, bunkers etc, and then we are really screwed