Your Toonies Are Watching You!

[BubberMiley]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,243018,00.html

It seems U.S. agents in Canada are being spied on by secret transmittors hidden in their pocket change.

Alternately, this is the most bizarre, paranoid, out-of-touch-with-reality, and incompetent Amercian administration of all time. You choose.

[leonardcohen]

Damn,This is the second time in the last week that someone beat me to the punch on posting a new a topic

The question remains, who and why?

The fact that the U.S. has done this with their own coins was somewhat of a surprise to me,maybe it shouldn't have been ?

Defence contractors? What defence contracts do we have with the States anyhow?

CSIS was unaware,so they say, of any details regarding the Tooney Tracker,playing dumb or really dumb?

I go with the latter.

Finally,how was it discovered?

[geoffrey]

Defence contractors? What defence contracts do we have with the States anyhow?

Canadian companies are very active in the US defense industry. US war making makes Canada a lot of cash.

http://www.gdcanada.com/ (One of the biggest... 6th... in the world)

http://www.bombardier.com/

http://www.spar.ca/customers.htm

http://www.ccc.ca/eng/home.cfm (Canada's Haliburton)

http://www.jacobs.com/markets/index.asp?ma...20and%20Defense

Or how about all the Liberals that sit or have sat on the Carlyle Group's (you surely remember this from Farenheit 911 as Bush's war company?) Board of Directors:

Paul Desmarais

Laurent Beaudoin

Frank McKenna

Allan Gotlieb (US ambassador from Canada 1981-89)

And to be fair, a big shot Conservative too, Peter Lougheed.

As you can clearly tell, the big shots in Canada's power circles (mostly on the Liberal side through Power Corp.) are completely in bed with US defense interests. Canada is a major beneficiary from war and we are a major defense contractor.

Also interesting to see that the Liberal moneybags are far more interwoven with the Bush's and US defense than the CPC backers could ever hope to be.

[jbg]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,243018,00.html

It seems U.S. agents in Canada are being spied on by secret transmittors hidden in their pocket change.

Alternately, this is the most bizarre, paranoid, out-of-touch-with-reality, and incompetent Amercian administration of all time. You choose.

The US government did not accuse any Canadian of anything.

[BubberMiley]

The US government did not accuse any Canadian of anything.

No, but I don't believe it is likely that the whole thing is happening as they think it is. What good is a surveillance system that is destroyed by a guy buying his coffee? They probably saw those mysterious circles in the centre of the toonies and thought they were some kind of bug.

[Catchme]

It's been debunked already, as someone being overly paranoid.

Spy coin report overblown, U.S. official says

COLIN FREEZE

Globe and Mail Update

“There is no story there,” the official, who asked not to be named, told The Globe and Mail.

He said that while some odd-looking Canadian coins briefly triggered suspicions in the United States, he said that the fears proved groundless: “We have no evidence to indicate anything connected with these coins poses a risk or danger.”

...a U.S. agency that investigated the complaint found no evidence of any secret transmitters, or of any other tampering.

It's not clear why this information failed to find its way into the released U.S. Defence Security Service report.

G&M

[Fortunata]

It's not clear why this information failed to find its way into the released U.S. Defence Security Service report.

Is this the same as the 9-11 terrorists came from Canada? This little tidbit was pounced on by American officials, broadcast and never rescinded publically. Many Americans still believe this.

Then there was all the unsafe pharmaceuticals going from Canada to USA; we don't treat drugs safely in this country.

Now it's the loonie. I don't know how widely it was broadcast down there but it seems to me that slowly the US is trying to make Canada look like a country to be afraid of.

[Drea]

Fortunata - of that I have no doubt.

Americans are being taught to fear everyone. To build walls. To batten down the hatches.

And how many Americans would actually ever ever carry a loonie or toonie anyway? I'd say there are probably less than a dozen Canadian coins in the whole country!

[Black Dog]

I think it was pretty safe to say that this story was bogus from the get go. Let's say you plant a bug on somebody's toonie. What happens when they fish your thousand dollar bug out and head to Timmy's for a double-double?

[BubberMiley]

I think you can put it up there with duct taping your windows and color coding security. The Republicans have a tendency to jeopardize national security and overall government competence by stacking it with Michael "heckuva-job" Brown-like political lackeys, and their lack of ability is evident.

[Wilber]

“There is no story there,” the official, who asked not to be named, told The Globe and Mail.

He said that while some odd-looking Canadian coins briefly triggered suspicions in the United States, he said that the fears proved groundless: “We have no evidence to indicate anything connected with these coins poses a risk or danger.”

These folks should get out more. The British two Pound coin is the same type of design as the toonie. The Brits must be doing it to.

[jbg]

Fortunata - of that I have no doubt.

Americans are being taught to fear everyone. To build walls. To batten down the hatches.

And how many Americans would actually ever ever carry a loonie or toonie anyway? I'd say there are probably less than a dozen Canadian coins in the whole country!

Then all other Americans must collectively have 9 or less.

[theloniusfleabag]

I think that this thread can safely be dropped. The claim of spying has been retracted, and there are plenty of other 'america-bashing' threads to choose from.

As BubberMiley states,

They probably saw those mysterious circles in the centre of the toonies and thought they were some kind of bug.

...when the 'doubloon' first came out, there were some problems with the centre piece not being firmly secured, and some did come apart. It's possible, I suppose, that some of these coins were still in circulation, forgotten about in someone's travel bag. Then when he heard that some co-workers were headed to Canada, he might have said "Here, take some of these funky Canadian Pesos I found in my shaving kit!"

[bush_cheney2004]

Now it's the loonie. I don't know how widely it was broadcast down there but it seems to me that slowly the US is trying to make Canada look like a country to be afraid of.

The Millennium Bomber and incompetent handling of SARS in Toronto didn't help either!

[margrace]

Now it's the loonie. I don't know how widely it was broadcast down there but it seems to me that slowly the US is trying to make Canada look like a country to be afraid of.

The Millennium Bomber and incompetent handling of SARS in Toronto didn't help either!

On TVO's "The Agenda" last night there was a very good program discussion on Spying. Check out the agenda site if you want to know who they were.

One of the questions, who is spying on us, answer, the US, France, Great Britian etc.

Question are we spying on the US answer from retired CSIS man. NO

[Wilber]

Now it's the loonie. I don't know how widely it was broadcast down there but it seems to me that slowly the US is trying to make Canada look like a country to be afraid of.

The Millennium Bomber and incompetent handling of SARS in Toronto didn't help either!

Yup, you got the one who entered from Canada and missed all the ones who came direct. You also taught them to fly when they got to the US. I doubt the Millennium Bomber had a trunk full of explosives when he entered Canada. Prior to 9/11, it would seem that no one was doing a great job.

[BubberMiley]

If how we handled SARS was truly incompetent, we'd all be dead.

[margrace]

If how we handled SARS was truly incompetent, we'd all be dead.

No it was Ontario, in the competant hands of Mr. Clement's our present minister of health, who mishandled Sars.

[geoffrey]

No it was Ontario, in the competant hands of Mr. Clement's our present minister of health, who mishandled Sars.

What would you have done differently, in the mindset of the events at hand?

[BubberMiley]

File this one under "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job!"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

Who was it that said national defence was more effective under a Republican government?

[GostHacked]

Was it the twoonie?? or not??

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/05/...n.ap/index.html

The silver-colored 25-cent piece features the red image of a poppy -- Canada's flower of remembrance -- inlaid over a maple leaf. The unorthodox quarter is identical to the coins pictured and described as suspicious in the contractors' accounts.

So what coin was it??

[M.Dancer]

So what coin was it??

The Moosie....

[runningdog]

Defence contractors? What defence contracts do we have with the States anyhow?

Canadian companies are very active in the US defense industry. US war making makes Canada a lot of cash.

http://www.gdcanada.com/ (One of the biggest... 6th... in the world)

http://www.bombardier.com/

http://www.spar.ca/customers.htm

http://www.ccc.ca/eng/home.cfm (Canada's Haliburton)

http://www.jacobs.com/markets/index.asp?ma...20and%20Defense

Or how about all the Liberals that sit or have sat on the Carlyle Group's (you surely remember this from Farenheit 911 as Bush's war company?) Board of Directors:

Paul Desmarais

Laurent Beaudoin

Frank McKenna

Allan Gotlieb (US ambassador from Canada 1981-89)

And to be fair, a big shot Conservative too, Peter Lougheed.

As you can clearly tell, the big shots in Canada's power circles (mostly on the Liberal side through Power Corp.) are completely in bed with US defense interests. Canada is a major beneficiary from war and we are a major defense contractor.

Also interesting to see that the Liberal moneybags are far more interwoven with the Bush's and US defense than the CPC backers could ever hope to be.

good post. Unfortunately, it's probably only a matter of time until the CPC catches up. And I say this as a conservative voter in the last election. Transparency PLEASE Mr. Harper. Keep your word and get your majority.

[margrace]

Now it's the loonie. I don't know how widely it was broadcast down there but it seems to me that slowly the US is trying to make Canada look like a country to be afraid of.

The Millennium Bomber and incompetent handling of SARS in Toronto didn't help either!

Yep and you got that incompetent handler of sars now head of our federal health system, now that truly is scarry.

[scribblet]

If how we handled SARS was truly incompetent, we'd all be dead.

You have a point, and I'm sure they will be much better prepared next time.

I wonder how well prepared we are if we were to start getting frequent tornados and hurricanes, I suspect they don't have a lot in place for that right now. If the followers of Gore believe him, then we should be getting ready for disasters.