POLL: Regarding Muslim population in Canada

[PIK]

46 minutes ago, Jariax said:

On the surface, this looks like an absurd question. 

But war and terrorism can force people (and governments) into making very hard choices. For most of us in Canada, we've never really known wars, so the idea of making such choices seems preposterous. 

However, even if there were Muslim based terrorism, it shouldn't change the way we treat Muslim Canadians. 
If there was a situation where we were at war with a certain country (let's say Syria), then we might have a difficult conversation about dual-citizens and possibly even citizens originally from Syria.  

The only scenario where internment camps would be even discussed would be if there was a large number of terrorist attacks in Canada from home-grown terrorists, such that the government was unable to tell who could be a risk, and who couldn't. 

But even in that scenario, an internment camp would make so many more enemies, and in the long run, would likely make us less safe, as I guarantee that the acutal terrorists would use that as proof that infidels are the enemy of the Muslim people. 

So, after a deeper look, still an absurd question. 

Maybe muslims should just live in muslim countries OR change everything about themselves when they move to a non muslim country, and try to fit in and enjoy what the country has to offer .The biggest problem is people here that think everyone can live together, well it has proven false. Multiculturalism does not work in the end. It worked here for a while but our leaders went to nuts in bringing in people that are not compatible with the people already here. And then tell the people here this is the way it is going to be ,deal with it, well it is getting dealt with now.

[Jariax]

3 minutes ago, PIK said:

Maybe muslims should just live in muslim countries OR change everything about themselves when they move to a non muslim country, and try to fit in and enjoy what the country has to offer .The biggest problem is people here that think everyone can live together, well it has proven false. Multiculturalism does not work in the end. It worked here for a while but our leaders went to nuts in bringing in people that are not compatible with the people already here. And then tell the people here this is the way it is going to be ,deal with it, well it is getting dealt with now.

It sounds like you're another one who is perfectly willing to accept Muslim immigrants, as long as they abandon everything about their culture and identity.

 

[Queenmandy85]

There is not much difference between Islam and the Roman Catholic Church. Both revere Jesus, believe in the same God, have been accused of repressing women and have been accused of terrorism. Such accusations overlook the fact that a few apostate wing nut zealots do not represent the religion. More Canadians are killed in car accidents in Saskatchewan on a weekend that have been killed by so-call muslim terrorists in all of Canada in the last 15 years.

Go Riders

Edited November 14, 2017 by Queenmandy85

[CITIZEN_2015]

Very disappointed to see only 63% have voted No. I am hoping that this forum does not represent Canada and Canadians but likely a number of people have join the forum to hide behind their computer and a fake name in order to specifically express hate and incite it too. 

So if a man in the neighborhood or a city or country sexually assaults someone then will 37% also vote that all men in the neighborhood or a city or country be mutilated or castrated? Or if a murder occurs then all locals put in jail for life? I womder if the 23% voted yes becaise the punishment was for Muslims or they would have voted same for above cases too. I doubt that.

And more importantly how the hell would you know that a person is Muslim? Do you look at his or her national origin or place of birth and if it happened to be ME then out he goes no matter what he really believes in? Religion is a choice not something you are born with. Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited November 14, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[PIK]

2 hours ago, Jariax said:

It sounds like you're another one who is perfectly willing to accept Muslim immigrants, as long as they abandon everything about their culture and identity.

 

EXACTLY, because if they don't want to change then why come here in the 1st place. Our ancestors came here to get away from the BS, but the BS is now showing up at our door. These people do not want to become canadian, because they are muslim and it comes 1st no matter what. Islam is not compatible with christianity. But it will be to late before some people realize that.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Jariax said:

It sounds like you're another one who is perfectly willing to accept Muslim immigrants, as long as they abandon everything about their culture and identity.

I would say the same of other immigrants where their culture and identity are hostile to ours.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

There is not much difference between Islam and the Roman Catholic Church.

Aside from there being a distinct lack of Roman Catholic suicide bombers or terrorists, you mean? Plus the fact the Roman Catholic church does not call for the death penalty for moral crimes, or for leaving the Church, or for blaspheme. Not to mention  the fact the Roman Catholic Church is heavily organized, and not the anarchy of independent 'sheiks' and 'imams' and mullahs'  among Islam, of course.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, Jariax said:

On the surface, this looks like an absurd question. 

And below the surface.

And how would you even intern a million and a half people, even were you to ignore morals and laws?

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

I would say the same of other immigrants where their culture and identity are hostile to ours.

Hostile to what culture exactly? Who defines YOUR culture which stands as a gauge on which we ban immigrants who are hostile to it?

A fictitious culture that there is no crime, no rape, no incest, no drugs, no abuse, no harassments at school and work, no cyber bullies, no fighting, no jealousy, no hate, neighbors loving and helping neighbors, everyone is kind and nice and loving, everyone respectful to women and caring to elderly and believe in peace and equality ........ Is this the culture which you think exist where you are? Then we have to exclude all immigrants.

Edited November 14, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[Queenmandy85]

39 minutes ago, Argus said:

Aside from there being a distinct lack of Roman Catholic suicide bombers or terrorists, you mean? Plus the fact the Roman Catholic church does not call for the death penalty for moral crimes, or for leaving the Church, or for blaspheme. Not to mention  the fact the Roman Catholic Church is heavily organized, and not the anarchy of independent 'sheiks' and 'imams' and mullahs'  among Islam, of course.

"Roman Catholic" terrorists conducted a thirty year bombing campaign in Ulster killing thousands. They conducted a campaign of assassinations including the Queen of Canada's uncle. Now we know these murderers were not legitimate adherents to the RC church but then neither are "Islamic " terrorists legitimate adherents to Islam. Every religion has it's murderous hangers on.

[CITIZEN_2015]

59 minutes ago, Argus said:

Aside from there being a distinct lack of Roman Catholic suicide bombers or terrorists, you mean? Plus the fact the Roman Catholic church does not call for the death penalty for moral crimes, or for leaving the Church, or for blaspheme. Not to mention  the fact the Roman Catholic Church is heavily organized, and not the anarchy of independent 'sheiks' and 'imams' and mullahs'  among Islam, of course.

No none of those. No they just molest children. Btw, they did set fire to witches and did have stoning and death penalty for blaspheme when the religion was 1400 years old (600 years ago). There were no bombs then as why no suicide bombers were around.

Edited November 14, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[Rue]

4 hours ago, Jariax said:

On the surface, this looks like an absurd question. 

But war and terrorism can force people (and governments) into making very hard choices. For most of us in Canada, we've never really known wars, so the idea of making such choices seems preposterous. 

However, even if there were Muslim based terrorism, it shouldn't change the way we treat Muslim Canadians. 
If there was a situation where we were at war with a certain country (let's say Syria), then we might have a difficult conversation about dual-citizens and possibly even citizens originally from Syria.  

The only scenario where internment camps would be even discussed would be if there was a large number of terrorist attacks in Canada from home-grown terrorists, such that the government was unable to tell who could be a risk, and who couldn't. 

But even in that scenario, an internment camp would make so many more enemies, and in the long run, would likely make us less safe, as I guarantee that the acutal terrorists would use that as proof that infidels are the enemy of the Muslim people. 

So, after a deeper look, still an absurd question. 

It has already happened to aboriginals, Japanese, Italians, Germans. Its not so absurd. Its part of our history. The point is and I say this with due respect you have never lived in an era where state security was such it was impossible to know who your enemy was. In world war 2, Germans, Italians and Japanese were interned for that reason. We at one point foced aboriginals because they were aboriginals in camps we just called them reserves.

Hell Justin's father had no problem arresting thousands under the War Measures Act and if you look back at the grounds it was pretty flimsy at the time.

If Muslim terrorism became wide spread or there was a war against Muslim nations they would be rounded up as sure as hell as Chinese would if we had a war with them or God knows who else. Its how war and terror works. It alienates. It makes it impossible to know enemy from innocent and the need to take precautions that err on the side of prevention.

No one born in a world that takes democracy for granted understands the price that was paid to obtain it. They just think it is what it is.

Now to answer Citizen's comment directly I never hide my opinions. I am open. I am someone who honestly says if we were at war with Israel they'd round up Jews. If we were at war with Muslims, Mexicans,  we'd round them up. Its reality. Its a fact. It happened and it will  appen again and we are a match stick away from it happening in Europe.

Do I want people arrested simply because they are Muslim, no of course  not but the reality is if the state could not differentiate in a state of war or siege the difference between a Muslim and a Muslim terrorist it will lock up all Muslims.

I know that because as a Jew people had no problem gassing 6 million of us because of what we were perceived to be, not who we were and the stereotypes continue with people using Israel as the couched context to issue codes on this forum to wipe out Jews for having their own state to protect them from state persecution.

All that said, and I say it openly not hiding it Citizen, I do not want anyone, not a person arrested simply because of their religion or political belief no. That would be a slap in the face of democracy of course. That's easy. What is not easy is what to do when a society is breaking down in the midst of internal terrorism or external war attacking it. I have no illusions during war and states of siege due to terrorism, democracy suffers, is suspended and could be fatally injured with certain rights lost and never to come back.

This is why I argue, not because I am anti Muslim or anti anything, that if someone comes to Canada, regardless of their cultural, ethnic, religious values, if they can not embrace fundamental values of democracy no I do not want them demanding we tolerate them and accept their views.

No I do not wish to tolerate covering women head to toe, believing sex is evil and something women's faces show,  no I do not agree with Muslim fundamentalism anymore than I do Jewish or Christian or any other fundamentalism.

If someone wants to use Canada to impose Muslim fundamentalism I do not think they should be able to argue that is their democratic right. Holding views that seek to tear down democracy I believe are a poison that will destroy Canada. I think Justin Trudeau is mentally deficient in his romantic hero worship of Muslim. He wants to embrace Muslim fundamentalists with one hand and gays with the other. He wants to embrace Muslim fundamentalists with one cheek wile exposing his other to feminism. It won't work. You don't sit and worship with anti gay, anti feminist religiously intolerant fundamentalists on Monday then with gays and defminists on Tuesday. That is crap.

 

 

 

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

Again, I ask you how do you tell if a person is a Muslim. The country of origin?

There are many here from those Muslim countries BECAUSE they didn't like it and wanted to get away from the religious dictatorship and immigrated in this democracy (US, Canada, Western Europe). They are compatible with new culture (some already more westernized than western people) and are contributing citizens as doctors and engineers and other professions and tax payers and respect other cultures and religions and live in peace. Are you going to round up them too? Then lets say Goodbye to our democracy for which 50 million people died for. Because we become as good as Nazi Germany. You as a Jewish person who has personal pain (or your parents or grandparents had) should be most concern about what few are advocating here. Canada becoming a Nazi Germany? I prefer to be dead than to see that day.

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Aside from there being a distinct lack of Roman Catholic suicide bombers or terrorists, you mean? Plus the fact the Roman Catholic church does not call for the death penalty for moral crimes, or for leaving the Church, or for blaspheme. Not to mention  the fact the Roman Catholic Church is heavily organized, and not the anarchy of independent 'sheiks' and 'imams' and mullahs'  among Islam, of course.

Both religions seem to be fond of the young ones.

[Rue]

20 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Again, I ask you how do you tell if a person is a Muslim. The country of origin?

There are many here from those Muslim countries BECAUSE they didn't like it and wanted to get away from the religious dictatorship and immigrated in this democracy (US, Canada, Western Europe). They are compatible with new culture (some already more westernized than western people) and are contributing citizens as doctors and engineers and other professions and tax payers and respect other cultures and religions and live in peace. Are you going to round up them too? Then lets say Goodbye to our democracy for which 50 million people died for. Because we become as good as Nazi Germany. You as a Jewish person who has personal pain (or your parents or grandparents had) should be most concern about what few are advocating here. Canada becoming a Nazi Germany? I prefer to be dead than to see that day.

I have concern as does any person whose parents or family Jewish or not came from a country where there was discrimination based on negative stereotyping yes. However  being Jewish does not automatically mean I must have certain political views or think in a certain away because my family suffered in other countries. No it does not mean I should pander to extremists and fundamentalists because they play the race or religion card.

That said, you ask how do we know if someone is a Muslim? That's not the question I  ask. I. I ask, how do we know if someone is a RADICAL or EXREMIST or TERRORIST. Their being Muslim is not my  issue-their using Islam or any religion or ideology  to justify their terrorism or certain beliefs incompatible with the fundamental precepts of democracy is. No I don't think being Muslim gives anyone a carte blanche not to be questioned or suspected of wrong doing anymore than I would use my Jewish identity that way.

Ironically  in many cases extremists are quite happy to reveal their beliefs. For example, the current NDP Leader stood up in the Ontario provincial assembly as Deputy NDP  leader calling for the support of BDS and openly attends meetings with Siekh and Muslim extremists and terrorist sympathizers and claims its racist to ask him his views on Siekh terrorism. He claims he is a progressive and believes in sex education  in the schools, women's freedom of choice in regards to abortion, and is pro gay,  then  in the next breath panders to Siekh and Muslim extremists he knows are dead against sex education, gays and abortion.

Our Prime Minister attends mosques where the Mullahs preach hatred about gays then wears pink shirts and tight jeans and attends every gay pride rally in Canada. In one breath he says with Mullahs engaging in the beliefs that women are inferior and need to be covered up, then in the next breath claims to be feminist and will be sending 600 soldiers to train women to be peacekeepers where in Saudi Arabia? In Iran? Of course not.

This is a Prime Minister who stood up in Parliament and lectured all Canadians about Islamophobia  and then deliberately remained silent when Mullahs in Mosques then cried out that Jews are evil and a war is needed against them. Not a peep. Then again this is the same Trudeau who at a Holocaust Remembrance ceremony refused to mention Jews died in  the holocaust and showed up this year in Ottawa at a holocaust memorial ceremony where his bloody government created a memorial to the holocaust that made NOT MENTION of Jews dying. He didn't even apologize for the oversight. Who me surprised? His Middle East advisor is Omar Alleghbra, a Musim who is pro Hamas and openly has denied the holocaust. 

This is the same  Prime Minister who  attacked the leader of the Conservative Party for being Catholic claiming that made him anti abortion and women should not trust him because he won't separate his religious views from office if he is elected -but had no problem appointing a Somali Muslim refigee as Immigration Minister.

This is a Prime Minister who deliberately refused to go to the Supreme Court of Canada and ask for a ruling as to whether the violation of Omar Kadr's Chrter of Rights entitled him to more than an apology, i.e., money arguing the doctrine of clean hands would serve to vitiate the claim for monetary compensation. So now because of this precedent he set an  individual who came to Canada in the 1990's, had his refugee application rejected, was under surveillance for attending a mosque in Montreal full of iSIS supporters, left the country and was surveilled in Europe frequenting with ISIS supporters, arrested by the American and then sent to Guantanamo Bay for 11 years, is now applying in Edmonton for a law suit of 50 million claiming well even though he's not Canadian and never was, hey CSIS reported him to other country's intelligence agencies which eventually led to his capture so he can sue Canada.

As I write this immigration analysts say about 200,00 El Salvadorans, 20,00 Guatemalans, and up to 100,000 Mexicans, not to mention unknown amounts of Hondurans and Nicaraguans are being mobilized by human transporters (coyotes) to get up to Canada. We are also to be flooded by Indians, Chinese, Africans escaping global warming and desertification causing them to move to look for water and food. We haven't mentioned up to 5 million illegal aliens in the US of whom many will flood our country in the next few years.

So security issues are not going away and I doubt this leader is even aware what challenges this country faces when he announces he's going  to bring in 1 million new Canadians in the next 3 years when illegal migration and soaring refugee applications are not counted in that amount.

So for me security as an issue doesn't go poof because people might be Muslim or Jewish or Central American or Hatiens, or anything else. It is what it is.

 

Edited November 15, 2017 by Rue

[Argus]

22 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Hostile to what culture exactly? Who defines YOUR culture which stands as a gauge on which we ban immigrants who are hostile to it?

Me.

[Argus]

22 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

"Roman Catholic" terrorists conducted a thirty year bombing campaign in Ulster killing thousands. They conducted a campaign of assassinations including the Queen of Canada's uncle. Now we know these murderers were not legitimate adherents to the RC church but then neither are "Islamic " terrorists legitimate adherents to Islam. Every religion has it's murderous hangers on.

The IRA was a socialist/marxist terrorist/guerrilla group whose members were regularly excommunicated from the Catholic Church. They might have been Catholics, for the most part, but they were most certainly not acting out of any sort of religious motivation or obligation. To suggest otherwise displays a level of ignorance about the troubles between Ireland and the UK as to suggest a prudent individual would choose not to even refer to it.

Muslim terrorists, on the other hand, very clearly state they are acting out of religious motivation and obligation, as they see it. The things they do have clearly described justifications within the Islamic texts, and many of their violent beliefs, such as death to blasphemers and apostates, are echoed in vast numbers of Muslims around the world.

 

 

[Argus]

22 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No none of those. No they just molest children. Btw, they did set fire to witches and did have stoning and death penalty for blaspheme when the religion was 1400 years old (600 years ago). There were no bombs then as why no suicide bombers were around.

I hereby state that I categorically oppose the immigration of Catholics from medieval times because their values and beliefs would be inimical to mine.

As far as molesting children goes, there is a deep thread of pedophilia which runs through the Islamic world, due, in part, to Muhammad marrying a nine year old. Meanwhile, there are no statistics which suggest the occurrence of child abuse from Catholic priests was statistically above that of the general population.

Sexual abuse of minors is not the province of the Catholic Church alone. About 4 percent of priests committed an act of sexual abuse on a minor between 1950 and 2002, according to a study being conducted by John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. That is roughly consistent with data on many similar professions. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/16/AR2010041602026.html

[Queenmandy85]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

Muslim terrorists, on the other hand, very clearly state they are acting out of religious motivation and obligation, as they see it.

People say all kinds of things but groups like ISIS are in it for the money, the power and the sex. The others are in it for the same selfish motives as the Las Vegas shooter. They want to be a somebody, even posthumously. Just because they spout the words, doesn't mean they follow it. Remember the Templars? They raped and pillaged and yelled God Wills It, as they collected their gold.

[taxme]

On 11/5/2006 at 7:38 AM, scribblet said:

I really don't think you can inter a whole group of people, but they should be all monitored very closely.

In keeping with the subject of radical Islam, did anyone see the FOX special last night, clips of the documentary Obsession: http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/

If anyone wasn't aware of what is happening in the M.E. they should be after watching this; the blatent gov't sponsored videos and brainwashing of toddlers, inciting them to hate and kill is beyond belief. No wonder radicalism is spreading.

The title implies terrorism against those who are not muslim is only perpetrated by a minority, but from some of the speeches by radicals they make it clear that their beliefs are based on the Koran, and that the precept of Islam is to either convert, subjugate or kill anyone who is not muslim. It was downright frightening to see stuff we would never be exposed to on Canadian TV, an eye opener to see and hear from is being fed to the Muslim masses.

Too bad it couldn't be aired on Canadian TV, but I'm guessing it would not be allowed.

Of course it will never be aired or allowed in Canada. We cannot reveal the real truth about Islam for fear of offending the terrorists. In Canada the truth shall never be allowed to set us all free. 

[taxme]

On 11/14/2017 at 2:45 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Again, I ask you how do you tell if a person is a Muslim. The country of origin?

There are many here from those Muslim countries BECAUSE they didn't like it and wanted to get away from the religious dictatorship and immigrated in this democracy (US, Canada, Western Europe). They are compatible with new culture (some already more westernized than western people) and are contributing citizens as doctors and engineers and other professions and tax payers and respect other cultures and religions and live in peace. Are you going to round up them too? Then lets say Goodbye to our democracy for which 50 million people died for. Because we become as good as Nazi Germany. You as a Jewish person who has personal pain (or your parents or grandparents had) should be most concern about what few are advocating here. Canada becoming a Nazi Germany? I prefer to be dead than to see that day.

And why are they always coming to Canada anyway? There are plenty of other countries over there where they can immigrate too. Why does the whole third world always want to run to a Western country? Is it because we are much more civilized than they are? I mean we don't see millions of Western people wanting to immigrate to any of their countries. 

[taxme]

On 11/14/2017 at 12:15 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Very disappointed to see only 63% have voted No. I am hoping that this forum does not represent Canada and Canadians but likely a number of people have join the forum to hide behind their computer and a fake name in order to specifically express hate and incite it too. 

So if a man in the neighborhood or a city or country sexually assaults someone then will 37% also vote that all men in the neighborhood or a city or country be mutilated or castrated? Or if a murder occurs then all locals put in jail for life? I womder if the 23% voted yes becaise the punishment was for Muslims or they would have voted same for above cases too. I doubt that.

And more importantly how the hell would you know that a person is Muslim? Do you look at his or her national origin or place of birth and if it happened to be ME then out he goes no matter what he really believes in? Religion is a choice not something you are born with. Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!

Talk about hiding? How about you tell us all here your real name, where you live, and your phone number please? Don't just talk, do the walk. We await. 

[Guest]

On 11/14/2017 at 3:19 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

"Roman Catholic" terrorists conducted a thirty year bombing campaign in Ulster killing thousands. They conducted a campaign of assassinations including the Queen of Canada's uncle. Now we know these murderers were not legitimate adherents to the RC church but then neither are "Islamic " terrorists legitimate adherents to Islam. Every religion has it's murderous hangers on.

The IRA were a political organization whose goal was a united Ireland.  At no point did they introduce a death penalty for blasphemy, apostasy, cartoons, blogs or videos.  They did have martyrs, but they starved themselves to death.  Any of them who blew up did so as a result of own goals.  At no point in the troubles did 20000 Roman Catholics burn a Protestant village and kill someone over a Facebook post.  Although it could be argued that, as Facebook wasn't around at the time, there's no reason to believe they wouldn't have.  That's certainly the kind of argument those who excuse the excesses of Islam would use, so be my guest.

Now, if you want to use Buddhists, that would be more like it.

[Rue]

8 hours ago, taxme said:

Talk about hiding? How about you tell us all here your real name, where you live, and your phone number please? Don't just talk, do the walk. We await. 

Start with outing yourself.

[Rue]

13 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

People say all kinds of things but groups like ISIS are in it for the money, the power and the sex. The others are in it for the same selfish motives as the Las Vegas shooter. They want to be a somebody, even posthumously. Just because they spout the words, doesn't mean they follow it. Remember the Templars? They raped and pillaged and yelled God Wills It, as they collected their gold.

They spew like you say all kinds of crap. I doubt they even remember half of the macho crap they spit out. Terrorists posture and huff and puff in fact their scripts.

The kind of terrorism we hear of today in the media is usually Muslim extremist fundamentalist ideology based and  financed by Saudi Arabia or Iran.

Although acts of terror and violence have been committed for centuries, terrorism's modern roots can be traced to the French Revolution's Reign of Terror in 1794–95, with its gruesome public beheadings, violent street battles, and bloodthirsty rhetoric. It was the first time in modern history that mass violence was used in such a fashion, but it would not be the last.

I suppose how you define terrorism depends on how you want to define its origins. I think most people on this forum were born in the 1980's so have no clue of any history or political events before then or for example that Muslim on Muslim violence or Muslim on non Muslim violence has gone on since the institutionalization if Islam into states and before Islam Christian and Jewish societies and religions before them engaged in state  or regional government or organized politically violence acts of war and terror in the name of God.

We know that in the second half of the 19th century, terrorism arose carried out by nationalists,  including those in in Europe  as various groups rebelled against their rulers. The Irish National Brotherhood, the predecessor of the IRA initiated  bomb attacks in England in the 1880s. There was the the socialist  Narodnaya Volya cell in Russia  that carried out attacks and is blamed for killing  Czarar Alexander II in 1881.

The National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism based at the University of Maryland accumulated data that showed in the year 2012,Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan—accounted for the sites for  54 percent of terrorist attacks that year and  another 58 percent of terrorist attack fatalities that year. occurred in  India, Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen, and Thailand.

In 2017 if you want to see where most of the terrorist attacks are happening you can go to:

http://storymaps.esri.com/stories/terrorist-attacks/?year=2017

 

This chart from the Global Terrorism Data base  at https://www.voanews.com/a/most-terrorism-victims-are-in-mulim-majority-countires/3478905.htmlshows

shows between 2001-2015 as is the case in 2017 if you look at the map I listed, the no. of fatalities from terror attacks is killing Muslims and carried out by other Muslims.

 

 

cont. next post

 

Edited November 16, 2017 by Rue