To my American brothers and sisters

[gerryhatrick]

This is truely not anti-American. I like Americans, and have nothing but good wishes for America. Canada's fate is certainly somewhat tied to America, after all.

My question is this: How embarrassed are you to have Bush and the Republicans leading you at this time?

Is this about the lowest point in American political history?

[Liam]

To answer your questions, I would say that embarrassed isn't quite all I feel about having Bush and the GOP in leadership. There's a degree of incredulity that someone as unqualified as Bush got elected twice, an element of anger at the administration's domestic policies (conflating secular and religious spheres, playing to the narrowest segments of his party's base, ballooning deficits, demonizing gay people during elections, etc.), frustration is absolutely there (i.e., knowing what are the right things to do globally yet taking the opposite course -- unilateralism, prolonging the Iraq problem), disappointment that our nation will not strive for better than Rumsfeld or Cheney or the neocons. Darkest hour in our history? There were worse hours (the Civil War, for one), but these days definitely have a twilight feel to them.

Why do you need to apologize? Your question isn't anti-American at all.

[M.Dancer]

I would say there have been far lower points in american history......how about between 1820 -1850 and the mass murder of countless natives to steal their land?

How about the manufactured wars of 1899 with Spain in order to steal there land

....wars with Mexico in order to steal their land.......

?

[theloniusfleabag]

Why do you need to apologize? Your question isn't anti-American at all.

No, the question was partisan garbage, and doesn't belong on this forum. Neither does the poster.

[Drea]

Why do you need to apologize? Your question isn't anti-American at all.

No, the question was partisan garbage, and doesn't belong on this forum. Neither does the poster.

There are a good many Americans who are disgruntled (at the very least) with the Bush Republicans.

Just take a look around the internet -- Americans know that they need to do something about their terrible govt -- and I trust they will

[Leafless]

No doubt the extended Iraq war is the cause of voter discontent, especially when many believe more political emphasis should be directed to the economy.

While this Iraq conflict is definitely the cause of voter discontent it would be interesting to know exactly how the Democrats would handle the situation if in power.

IMO I think Present Bush has an ethical and moral responsibility to insure relative calm is restored in Iraq, until the U.S pulls out.

I fully agree President Bush is doing the right thing as there are also other delicate important matters to be considered against pulling out at this time.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15390209/

[Wilber]

Why do you need to apologize? Your question isn't anti-American at all.

No, the question was partisan garbage, and doesn't belong on this forum. Neither does the poster.

Gerry and I don't agree on much but are you an American? Were you asked the question?

I would call Dancer's comments partisan garbage.

[M.Dancer]

Why do you need to apologize? Your question isn't anti-American at all.

No, the question was partisan garbage, and doesn't belong on this forum. Neither does the poster.

Gerry and I don't agree on much but are you an American? Were you asked the question?

I would call Dancer's comments partisan garbage.

Really? What party then? The history party? I guess then you must belong to the 'I don't want to know any stinking history" party..........

[JerrySeinfeld]

This is truely not anti-American. I like Americans, and have nothing but good wishes for America. Canada's fate is certainly somewhat tied to America, after all.

My question is this: How embarrassed are you to have Bush and the Republicans leading you at this time?

Is this about the lowest point in American political history?

History will be much kinder to GW Bush et. al. Genuis leader in a very difficult period - and classically being criticized by the squeemish - a la Reagan years. But history was kinder to Reagan too.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Wilber,

Most of the time this forum is great, with reasonable and thoughtful debate from every part of the political spectrum. However, on occasion, it sinks into the gutter.

Questions such as this...

My question is this: How embarrassed are you to have Bush and the Republicans leading you at this time?

Is this about the lowest point in American political history?

are really nothing more than 'flamebait' and do nothing to elevate the decorum on this forum. I personally strongly dislike Bush, and 'Americanism' (if there is such a word), but I don't think such a 'leading, disingenuous question' belongs on this forum. Perhaps in a 'Hillbilly Honky-Tonk' when you're bored and looking to chuck some knuckles, but not on a forum where debate is supposed to be taken seriously.

[August1991]

My question is this: How embarrassed are you to have Bush and the Republicans leading you at this time?

Is this about the lowest point in American political history?

The left's hatred for Nixon during the Christmas bombing of North Vietnam in 1972 was far greater.

The American Left typically sneers at and looks down at Republican leaders. Reagan was stupid, Nixon was vulgar and Eisenhower a fuddy duddy. The Left's opinion that Bush Jnr is a moron is nothing new.

[Wilber]

Dear Wilber,

Most of the time this forum is great, with reasonable and thoughtful debate from every part of the political spectrum. However, on occasion, it sinks into the gutter.

Questions such as this...

My question is this: How embarrassed are you to have Bush and the Republicans leading you at this time?

Is this about the lowest point in American political history?

are really nothing more than 'flamebait' and do nothing to elevate the decorum on this forum. I personally strongly dislike Bush, and 'Americanism' (if there is such a word), but I don't think such a 'leading, disingenuous question' belongs on this forum. Perhaps in a 'Hillbilly Honky-Tonk' when you're bored and looking to chuck some knuckles, but not on a forum where debate is supposed to be taken seriously.

The question was asked of Americans, not Canadians.

[Wilber]

Why do you need to apologize? Your question isn't anti-American at all.

No, the question was partisan garbage, and doesn't belong on this forum. Neither does the poster.

Gerry and I don't agree on much but are you an American? Were you asked the question?

I would call Dancer's comments partisan garbage.

Really? What party then? The history party? I guess then you must belong to the 'I don't want to know any stinking history" party..........

The Anti American Party. When a question is asked of Americans, why is it Canadians feel they should be the first to butt in with their opinion?

Like I said, Gerry and I don't agree on much and I thought the question could have been worded better but I am kind of interested in what Americans think about their government and the direction it is going.

[America1]

This is truely not anti-American. I like Americans, and have nothing but good wishes for America. Canada's fate is certainly somewhat tied to America, after all.

My question is this: How embarrassed are you to have Bush and the Republicans leading you at this time?

Is this about the lowest point in American political history?

Not at all. What a pathetic question, you're so transparent it sad.

[newbie]

Is this about the lowest point in American political history?

Seems like it: link

[Drea]

I would venture to guess that some Americans do feel that it's a low point, maybe THE lowest point ever. Read around the internet to find out how regular Americans feel.

It is sad America1.

Sad that your country is in a quagmire. Sad that the citizens have been duped.

In 2000 America inspired envy (America land of the free, livin't the good life, etc)

In 2001 America inspried sympathy

In 2003/4 America inspired hatred (went into Iraq, the rest of the world's opinion be damned)

In 2005 America inspired disgust (the treatment of it's own citizens re: Katrina)

From envy to disgust in 5 short years. Way to go George.

In 2006 Nothing has changed. The world is still disgusted. The next president will have a lot of cleaning up to do, she better be good!

*Sadder yet is the fact that should the US continue down this path, both of us, America and Canada will suffer as a result.

[M.Dancer]

Why do you need to apologize? Your question isn't anti-American at all.

No, the question was partisan garbage, and doesn't belong on this forum. Neither does the poster.

Gerry and I don't agree on much but are you an American? Were you asked the question?

I would call Dancer's comments partisan garbage.

Really? What party then? The history party? I guess then you must belong to the 'I don't want to know any stinking history" party..........

The Anti American Party. When a question is asked of Americans, why is it Canadians feel they should be the first to butt in with their opinion?

Like I said, Gerry and I don't agree on much and I thought the question could have been worded better but I am kind of interested in what Americans think about their government and the direction it is going.

What ever you say Cletus.....I will in future check which threads I respond to on a Canadian forum, lest some pillock get offended.......

[JerrySeinfeld]

To sum it up:

With Iraq I think that people are just depressed by it and, to a certain extent, bored by it and want it go away. The Democrats are not really offering any great proposals on that or anything else. They’re assuming that simple weariness will see them through. If you take Iraq out of the equation everything is going swimmingly. America has an unemployment rate half that of most other advanced economic societies. It has lower gas prices and Its economy is effectively thriving.

There’s just this mood of weariness with this sort of slow-drip torture of a light colonial policing engagement that is thankless and a little too messy for American tastes.

America and the rest of the West has ADD. Whereas the enemy - radical Islam - has will and staying power.

Not a good recipe for the future.

[Shakeyhands]

Why do you need to apologize? Your question isn't anti-American at all.

No, the question was partisan garbage, and doesn't belong on this forum. Neither does the poster.

I'm surprised at your response TFB, usually that sort of thing is the product of a someone more rabidly pro American like Burns (no offence meant to you Burns) Will it is tongue in cheek I'm not sure i'd label it partisian any more than any pro Conservative assertion.

[Black Dog]

The American Left typically sneers at and looks down at Republican leaders. Reagan was stupid, Nixon was vulgar and Eisenhower a fuddy duddy. The Left's opinion that Bush Jnr is a moron is nothing new.

Thanks for the endorsement. It's nice to see the left getting some love for calling a spade a spade (I don't know about Ike, but Reagan was stupid and Nixon was vulgar-and a crook to boot!). So I'm confident that the prevailing view of the Shrub's intellect will stand the test of time.

[JerrySeinfeld]

The American Left typically sneers at and looks down at Republican leaders. Reagan was stupid, Nixon was vulgar and Eisenhower a fuddy duddy. The Left's opinion that Bush Jnr is a moron is nothing new.

Thanks for the endorsement. It's nice to see the left getting some love for calling a spade a spade (I don't know about Ike, but Reagan was stupid and Nixon was vulgar-and a crook to boot!). So I'm confident that the prevailing view of the Shrub's intellect will stand the test of time.

Pay no attention to BD - he's merely a cheerleader.

Reagan and Bush Junior are both geniuses in their own right.

As usual it takes the lefty cheerleaders eons to catch up.

[Shady]

Pay no attention to BD - he's merely a cheerleader

Not only that, he's a rabid winger. You can tell by the terminology he likes to use (ie Shrub). That type of stuff is rampant on the far-left blogs. Give them a read, they're very entertaining.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Pay no attention to BD - he's merely a cheerleader

Not only that, he's a rabid winger. You can tell by the terminology he likes to use (ie Shrub). That type of stuff is rampant on the far-left blogs. Give them a read, they're very entertaining.

Not only that - but they can't stop whining. Usually the best arguments they come up with are reserved for ad hominem criticisms. "Oh so-and-so is so stupid".

I think the best way to sum up the left is this: they support things that "feel good."

Basically if you look at any lefty policies, it doesn't matter if it makes any sense, as long as it "feels good."

If the left were a movie star they'd adopt an african orphan at a cost of $3 million.

[Black Dog]

Aw that's cute: a right wing cuddle party.

Reagan and Bush Junior are both geniuses in their own right.

I guess if we measure them by the standard of some of the right wingers on this board (present company exclusive), then yeah: geniuses. But then that standard would flatter the intellect of an elderly sheep with an advanced case of syphilitic myelopathy.

Not only that - but they can't stop whining. Usually the best arguments they come up with are reserved for ad hominem criticisms. "Oh so-and-so is so stupid".

I think the best way to sum up the left is this: they support things that "feel good."

Basically if you look at any lefty policies, it doesn't matter if it makes any sense, as long as it "feels good."

If the left were a movie star they'd adopt an african orphan at a cost of $3 million.

You realize that you're using ad hominems to attack the left for using ad hominems.

[ft.niagara]

My question is this: How embarrassed are you to have Bush and the Republicans leading you at this time?

Is this about the lowest point in American political history?

Not embarrassed at all. I think Carter's Presidency was the lowest point in my memory. Iran held hostages for about a year. Carter gave away the Panama Canal. We had Billy Beer being sold in the stores, and Miss Lillian and Billy were in the news. Gold went to 800 dollars, and the gas at the pumps dried up. That has not happened under Bush.

Lyndon Johnson might be another bad example of a President. He got us deeper into VN. Then Kennedy got us there in the first place. Nixon tried to get Peace With Honor. Obviously, that did not happen. Watergate was only an offshoot of the VietNam war. The breakin was looking for leaks. In balance, the worse Presidents post Eisenhower would be democrats.

One thing I hate about the Democrats is their appointing judges which wish to MAKE law instead of interpreting it. In that way Bush has made a difference FAR beyond his next two, and past six years in his appointments of young judges to the Supreme Court. Another thing I dislike is the policy of affirmative action which is just reverse racism, or politically correct racism. Blacks are no longer the largest minority, and someday, this vestage will have to disappear.