What Is Climate Change?

[Deluge]

23 hours ago, robosmith said:

If you had any brains at all, you would take advice from a genius. But you don't know what you don't know.

STUPID never does.

And if YOU had brains at all, you'd stfu and just brace yourself for the future because there is no way in hell you hysterics are going to bend the polluters to your will. India will remain filthy as f*ck, China will continue pumping shit into the air, and the US will only let you partially cripple it before common sense knocks you on your asses.

Just give up; it's a losing battle.  

[Reg Volk]

 

[Reg Volk]

 

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

 

 

I agree.... 

So the assertion that "damn hot today... it must be that global warming" is faulty science, or problematic math really... is correct. 

[Nationalist]

15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I agree.... 

So the assertion that "damn hot today... it must be that global warming" is faulty science, or problematic math really... is correct. 

Indeed.

Local weather is caused by and is an expression of...climate. Thus both terms are relevant. 

Yet...you climate religious simply will not address the real issue.

Are the changes in Earth's climate and subsequent weather, extreme enough to warrant crushing regulations?

And as we've seen, the answer is "no".

Edited Friday at 06:31 PM by Nationalist

[robosmith]

16 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Indeed.

Local weather is caused by and is an expression of...climate. Thus both terms are relevant. 

Yet...you climate religious simply will not address the real issue.

Are the changes in Earth's climate and subsequent weather, extreme enough to warrant crushing regulations?

And as we've seen, the answer is "no".

Nope. Climate is an accumulation of weather trends which move in the predominately same direction for 30 plus years. Per the standard set by the WMO.

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The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) defines climate as the long-term average (and variability) of weather conditions—such as temperature, precipitation, humidity, and wind—in a specific region. [1, 2]

The definition, usage, and implications of the WMO climate standard involve several key elements:

• The 30-Year Rule: Conventionally, the WMO defines a region's climate by averaging weather data across an extended, uninterrupted period of at least 30 years. [1, 2, 3]
• Climate Normals: To provide a standardized baseline, the WMO produces datasets known as "Climatological Standard Normals". These serve as a ruler to compare current daily weather and a predictor of baseline conditions expected in the near future. [1]
• Variability over Time: The WMO acknowledges that climate is not merely static averages, but includes the variability and frequency of extreme events over time. [1, 2]
• The Entire System: The climate encompasses the complex, interacting physical properties and dynamics of Earth’s entire system, which includes the atmosphere, hydrosphere, cryosphere, lithosphere, and biosphere. [1]

For more information, visit the World Meteorological Organization Climate Topic. [1]

 

 

[Nationalist]

10 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Nope. Climate is an accumulation of weather trends which move in the predominately same direction for 30 plus years. Per the standard set by the WMO.

 

So you're convinced of that, are ya?

Gee, doesn't that mean references to "weather" are quite valid when discussing climate? 😆

[Reg Volk]

We know where it all went.

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Nope. Climate is an accumulation of weather trends which move in the predominately same direction for 30 plus years. Per the standard set by the WMO.

Which has nothing to do with man. 

3 minutes ago, Reg Volk said:

We know where it all went.

Somebody and his friends are going to have one hell of a holiday season. 

[Reg Volk]

 

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Are the changes in Earth's climate and subsequent weather, extreme enough to warrant crushing regulations?

That depends on what you mean by crushing regulations.

You people act like carbon taxes = Marxism and a return to paper straws heralds the coming of the 4th Reich.

The socio-economic catastrophism that pains you almost calls out for MAID as a remedy.

 

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So you're convinced of that, are ya?

Gee, doesn't that mean references to "weather" are quite valid when discussing climate? 😆

No, it means that weather is weather until the trend is established by a 30+ years long accumulation of the predominate conditions. Only then is it climate.

Do you understand now?

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

No, it means that weather is weather until the trend is established by a 30+ years long accumulation of the predominate conditions. Only then is it climate.

Do you understand now?

Lol...so silly.

[Barquentine]

On 6/26/2026 at 11:21 AM, CdnFox said:

climate change will lead to Extinction

No it won't. But it will create some horrible outcomes. No need to repeat them. We all know.

Not to mention what it will do to people's insurance. (Insurance companies are about the most serious, studious, pragmatic dudes and wouldn't accept climate change as a serious threat if they didn't have data to show it.)

For years I thought climate change was more a natural process, with human causes only a small portion. But over the years the evidence, evidence we can see for ourselves, has convinced me otherwise.

Anecdotally, I grew up beside a lake that would be iced in from November to April, ice so thick you would hear thunderous booms from the expansion cracks. Now, some winters, there's rarely enough ice to skate on and it's only fully iced from January to early March.

Mitigation is beginning to happen, though, through cleaner electricity, better consumer choices, etc...

It's a serious but not a Doomsday scenario.

[Deluge]

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I agree.... 

So the assertion that "damn hot today... it must be that global warming" is faulty science, or problematic math really... is correct. 

Oh, I believe climate change can be happening, but it's nothing we humans are doing - the Earth is just too resilent for us little ol' ants. I do believe, however, that we can pollute the air we're breathing and choke on it - that has already been proven. 

[CdnFox]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

That depends on what you mean by crushing regulations.

You people act like carbon taxes = Marxism and a return to paper straws heralds the coming of the 4th Reich.

 

No, we act like carbon taxes have a severe and crippling Impact on our economy. Which they do

Which would be fine if there was some benefit the justified that. Which there isn't

[robosmith]

14 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...so silly.

So that's a "NO," you still don't understand.

That's what happens when you're a dropout. LMAO

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

No it won't. But it will create some horrible outcomes. No need to repeat them. We all know.

Not to mention what it will do to people's insurance. (Insurance companies are about the most serious, studious, pragmatic dudes and wouldn't accept climate change as a serious threat if they didn't have data to show it.)

For years I thought climate change was more a natural process, with human causes only a small portion. But over the years the evidence, evidence we can see for ourselves, has convinced me otherwise.

Anecdotally, I grew up beside a lake that would be iced in from November to April, ice so thick you would hear thunderous booms from the expansion cracks. Now, some winters, there's rarely enough ice to skate on and it's only fully iced from January to early March.

Mitigation is beginning to happen, though, through cleaner electricity, better consumer choices, etc...

It's a serious but not a Doomsday scenario.

Not doomsday, until the major tipping points cause runaway warming.

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West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS)

• When: Mid-Pliocene Epoch (~3 million years ago). [1]
• The Tipping Point: With global \(CO_{2}\) levels and temperatures comparable to modern times, an ocean-driven tipping point was breached. Floating ice shelves melted, removing the structural support that held back the land-bound ice, leading to runaway ice collapse. [1, 2]
• The Evidence: Analysis of ancient sedimentary rock cores in Antarctica shows marine fossils where land ice should be, indicating the sheet vanished and caused sea levels to rise by 20 to 25 meters. [1, 2]

3. The Younger Dryas (Atlantic Ocean Circulation Shutdown)

• When: ~12,900 years ago. [1, 2, 3]
• The Tipping Point: As Earth was naturally warming out of the last Ice Age, an ice-dammed lake in North America suddenly breached, dumping a massive influx of freshwater into the North Atlantic. This freshwater halted the sinking of dense, salty water, causing the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) to abruptly slow down or shut off. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• The Evidence: Ice cores and lake sediments in Europe and Greenland show that this disruption caused an abrupt return to near-glacial freezing temperatures across the Northern Hemisphere in mere decades. [1, 2]

4. The Green Sahara and Desertification

• When: Mid-Holocene Period (~6,000 years ago).
• The Tipping Point: A slight shift in Earth's orbit reduced summer sunlight in the Northern Hemisphere, which initiated a weakening of the African monsoon. Vegetation died, reducing moisture recycling and exposing reflective land, which accelerated the drying into an irreversible, self-sustaining Sahara desert transition.
• The Evidence: Fossil pollen, dust layers in marine sediment cores, and dried lake beds reveal how quickly a vibrant, vegetated savannah ecosystem tipped into a hyper-arid desert. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

5. The End-Permian Mass Extinction

• When: ~252 million years ago.
• The Tipping Point: Massive volcanic activity in the Siberian Traps released immense volumes of greenhouse gases. This pushed the planet past a critical threshold, triggering runaway global warming and ocean acidification, which collapsed global ecosystems and killed off over 90% of marine species.
• The Evidence: Sedimentary records show the complete vanishing of ancient tropical forests and the widespread prevalence of fungal blooms and deep ocean anoxia (lack of oxygen) following the tipping point. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

The study of paleoclimate tipping points is a major focus in modern Earth science. Researchers utilize these ancient Earth system logbooks to build better climate models and forecast how current and future global warming will impact the stability of modern systems, like the Earth System Tipping Points detailed by the Global Tipping Points Report. [1, 2, 3, 4]

 

 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No, we act like carbon taxes have a severe and crippling Impact on our economy. Which they do

Crippling...hyperbole much?

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Which would be fine if there was some benefit the justified that. Which there isn't

Sure there was.

Anyhow...the 'cost' was a lot less compared to the damage climate change is doing.

$25 billion damage vs $10 billion in revenue annually.

Edited Saturday at 07:31 PM by eyeball

[Deluge]

16 hours ago, robosmith said:

No, it means that weather is weather until the trend is established by a 30+ years long accumulation of the predominate conditions. Only then is it climate.

Do you understand now?

Do you understand that James Lovelock said the world has already past the point of no return? That means you can stfu now. 

Besides, nobody really gives a shit about the difference between climate and weather - it's all the same for normal people.  

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

Crippling...hyperbole much?

We've had numerous years of severely low economic growth, crashing gdp per capita, skyrocketing deficits and debt, soaring house prices that have left younger people in the dust, high inflation and the highest food inflation, severe productivity issues etc etc  And much of that was before trump and carbon taxes and other 'environmental policy' played a very large role in it. 

So actually, no.  Not much hyperbole at all.   

Which is why people stopped caring. They are sick of watching their future get flushed down the toilet over an imaginary problem

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So actually, no.  Not much hyperbole at all.

So catastrophize much?

You make climate alarmists blush.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

So catastrophize much?

 

Not nearly as much as your group. You were the one who tried to convince everyone that hundreds of millions of people would come screaming across our border and there'd be no possible way to stop them, but billions of people would die horribly and that essentially our civilization will come to an end.

I just pointed out the simple truth that's your ideas are brutal on the economy.  

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

I just pointed out the simple truth that's your ideas are brutal on the economy

No, science says these will be a brutal consequence of the economy on the world's environment.

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, science says these will be a brutal consequence of the economy on the world's environment.

Google.com says there is no such science and you're lying. 
But if you actually have some SPECIFIC science you'd like to share, lets take a look   

But let's be honest, you think everything you read on google or websites you approve of is science. You have no idea what science actually is