CdnFox Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 2 hours ago, West said: President Trump didn't do a bait and switch on his voters like Carney did though. People donated to Conservatives, vote in a Conservative and still end up with a Liberal. Our elections are rigged just like Russia Well that's the sad problem, our elections aren't rigged. They're just ignored when the people empowered don't like the decisions that the voters made 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
SpankyMcFarland Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 (edited) Carney has had a great ally in the White House, frightening Canadians and causing havoc around the world. Many people I know feel we benefit from a majority government that can make the decisions necessary to protect us from such chaos. As long as he can portray himself as a wartime leader he’ll be given the benefit of the doubt by voters on policies that don’t always look typically Liberal. On the left front, however, Lewis does have an opportunity if he can take it to win over disillusioned Trudeau fans. As for Poilievre, he remains unconvincing as someone willing and able to defend us from the dangerous nation to our south. Edited April 14 by SpankyMcFarland 1 Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
John Stone Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 Carney enjoys an approval rating of around 70 percent. Slightly more than Poilievre's disapproval rating. Could be that Carney's new majority might be akin to herding cats. Arguably there is no loyalty. 1 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 (edited) 9 minutes ago, John Stone said: Carney enjoys an approval rating of around 70 percent. Slightly more than Poilievre's disapproval rating. Could be that Carney's new majority might be akin to herding cats. Arguably there is no loyalty. There is loyalty to the country in a time of grave peril. People don’t have to like Carney or his policies to see him as a necessary leader. Edited April 14 by SpankyMcFarland 1 Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
ExFlyer Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 24 minutes ago, John Stone said: Carney enjoys an approval rating of around 70 percent. Slightly more than Poilievre's disapproval rating. Could be that Carney's new majority might be akin to herding cats. Arguably there is no loyalty. It’s hilarious watching Pierre Poilievre rage about “dirty backroom deals” now that several Conservative MPs have crossed the floor to the Liberals. He’s accusing Mark Carney of stealing his team through shady maneuvers. But let’s be real — the outrage is tough to swallow. Poilievre wouldn’t even be in Parliament right now without his own cozy backroom arrangement. After losing his seat in the election, a Conservative MP graciously stepped aside in a safe Alberta riding so their leader could parachute in via byelection and reclaim his spot. That wasn’t voter demand. That was the party pulling strings behind the scenes to rescue their boss. Now the guy who benefited from exactly that kind of maneuvering is shocked — shocked — that politics involves… political maneuvering. Floor-crossing has been normal in Canadian politics forever. MPs switch parties when they feel it’s best for their principles or their constituents. It happens under every government. When Conservatives engineer internal deals to protect their leader? Smart strategy. When their own MPs bail because they don’t want to stick with the team? Total scandal. This isn’t about principles. It’s about losing control. 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
West Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: Well that's the sad problem, our elections aren't rigged. They're just ignored when the people empowered don't like the decisions that the voters made We will see how it goes. The majority voted center right. What Carney has on the table is draconian, like the Trudeau era. The Liberals lost their majority because Trudeau ran the country like Fidel Castro. I dont think the anger many Canadians felt during that era have subsided. I also dont buy that the Liberals managed to make up double digits just by changing a leader nobody has heard about. Definitely some funny business. 1 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: Well that's the sad problem, our elections aren't rigged. They're just ignored when the people empowered don't like the decisions that the voters made WTF? Are you talking about the Cons who crossed over to get away from their loser leader? 1 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 16 minutes ago, West said: We will see how it goes. The majority voted center right. What Carney has on the table is draconian, like the Trudeau era. The Liberals lost their majority because Trudeau ran the country like Fidel Castro. I dont think the anger many Canadians felt during that era have subsided. I also dont buy that the Liberals managed to make up double digits just by changing a leader nobody has heard about. Definitely some funny business. It wasn’t just by changing one leader. America went for Trump - again! - and that has made a crucial difference in Canada. Conservatives need to acknowledge that and deal with it if they want to get anywhere. 1 Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
LinkSoul60 Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: Well that's the sad problem, our elections aren't rigged. They're just ignored when the people empowered don't like the decisions that the voters made We vote for MP's, not party's. The aisle crossers will answer to their constituents at some point, but until then the facts are that a little over a year ago Poilievre had a 27% poll lead and it was a forgone conclusion that he would be our next PM, until he wasn't. We now have a majority liberal government which speaks volumes of who the country wants leading us, and the reality of who they don't. Poilievre's political career is over... 1 Quote
Goddess Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 13 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: We vote for MP's, not party's. Do we? Mark Carney was running in the Terrebonne riding, was he? 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
ExFlyer Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: It shouldn't matter your political leanings, this is a sad day for democracy in Canada. This majority is not the will of the people, it was stolen. Maybe its time the conservatives in this group acknowledge that the man that lost you an election with a 27 point lead, lost his seat of 21 years, and had to run in the SAFEST riding in the entire country is the reason your MPs are crossing to the liberals. How many of you voted to let him keep his leadership? I'm pretty sure you weren't one of the 2558 t(of over 650K members) that cast a vote where he didn't even win 100% from his staunchest supporters. (even the NDP allowed all 160K members o vote for a leader)Why do you think Carney allowed him to run again in a byelection so fast? He had the legal authority to wait 6 months but let him run as quickly as possible because he's that bad. Why would the libs want to allow you to get a charismatic leader when you have Poilievre to drag you down? I can't believe we're still arguing about this, stop supporting a loser and get a real leader so we can have a real opposition which will be good for all Canadians 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
LinkSoul60 Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 12 minutes ago, Goddess said: Do we? Mark Carney was running in the Terrebonne riding, was he? Yes we do. Quote
Goddess Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Yes we do. LOL Your own government knows that's a lie and that's not how people vote. They count on useful id10ts like you to spread their lies. Better go check your diaper. Not only is it full of shit, it's on fire! 🔥 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Legato Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 Just a hollow victory for a hollow man. Where's Robert Walpole when you need him. Quote
Goddess Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 (edited) 27 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Maybe its time the conservatives in this group acknowledge Conservatives acknowledge more than Liberals in this group. We know it's an uphill battle to get a Conservative government. The government paid for media plays a big role in that. Every night on CBC, instead of holding the government to account, it's panel after panel after panel discussing "What stupid thing did Poilievre do today?" 4 or 5 cities in Ontario & Quebec decide election results, so Liberals only have to keep them happy. Easy, peasy. Favor them, give them the most money, bring in a million immigrants and pay for them to live better than Canadians and they will vote Liberal. A half a dozen Liberals, at least, have come right out and said if municipalities vote Conservative, they don't get government attention or funding. You talk constantly about Poilievre, but can't discuss any policies or bills - from either Conservative or Liberal. Why the desperation to get rid of Poilievre? If he's so bad, you should want him to continue on. Conservatives know that it wouldn't matter who the Conservative opposition leader is, it would be the same song & dance from people like you. 11 years now of Liberal rule and Canada is far worse off than it ever was, because you guys won't acknowledge anything and keep rewarding bad politicians. And so PROUD of your stupidity!! How far does Canada have to sink before you guys wake up? Edited April 14 by Goddess 1 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
LinkSoul60 Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 9 minutes ago, Goddess said: LOL Your own government knows that's a lie and that's not how people vote. They count on useful id10ts like you to spread their lies. Better go check your diaper. Not only is it full of shit, it's on fire! 🔥 You're literally the last person out here to be talking about what is reality and what is not. You validate that with every low information and fictitious post you make. Go back to X and find today's new conspiracy theory. It will keep your mind away from reality... Quote
Goddess Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 You got your majority. You have no one left to blame now. Not Poilievre, not Harper, not Trump. I expect to see the promised energy superpower, built at speeds never before seen in history. Nothing is holding you back now. Get to it. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Venandi Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 Technically, people do vote for the individual but in practice, that's definitely not how the average voter sees it. Ask virtually anyone who they voted for and they'll name the party leader. Few even know the name of the candidate in their own riding... they voted for the party and I think that's undeniable. Pretty hard to blame the government for what happens next now (IMO anyway)... they are what they are and won't change their stripes. I blame the faithless, traitorous conservative members who abandoned the people who elected them and crossed the floor for personal gain. And of course, a very special shout out to the voters who want more of what awaits them on our present trajectory. As an aside, it might be time to mass downvote our resident downvote troll and give him more people to chase around the forum... the effort might keep the critter quiet for a while. OK, I'll go first. 1 Quote
Goddess Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 1 minute ago, Goddess said: You got your majority. You have no one left to blame now. Not Poilievre, not Harper, not Trump. I expect to see the promised energy superpower, built at speeds never before seen in history. Nothing is holding you back now. Get to it. That's wishful thinking, I know. Canada will continue to spiral and the Lib pom-pom wavers in this group will still be blaming Poilievre 10 years from now. 1 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Legato Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 3 minutes ago, Venandi said: As an aside, it might be time to mass downvote our resident downvote troll and give him more people to chase around the forum... the effort might keep the critter quiet for a while. OK, I'll go first. Won't have any effect on him or the other Misérables, the dimensions of a brick would be a good description. 1 1 Quote
Venandi Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 2 minutes ago, Legato said: Won't have any effect on him or the other Misérables, the dimensions of a brick would be a good description. It will give the critter a mission in life. Hey..... flap your arms and follow me Flybaby 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 1 hour ago, West said: We will see how it goes. The majority voted center right. What Carney has on the table is draconian, like the Trudeau era. The Liberals lost their majority because Trudeau ran the country like Fidel Castro. I dont think the anger many Canadians felt during that era have subsided. I also dont buy that the Liberals managed to make up double digits just by changing a leader nobody has heard about. Definitely some funny business. The problem is that carney lies about what he's doing effectively. People wanted someone more on the right and if you listen to what he says he's doing things that are extremely on the right. He's building pipelines, he's accelerating home building, he's out there getting a ton of new trade deals for Canadians so that we can be less reliant on The Americans. He's cutting the carbon tax so it's gone now and our gas prices are cheaper. Except he's deliberately getting in the way of pipelines. He isn't doing anything to build new homes except invest money into modular home building that his company has an interest in. But we're actually fewer homes this year the last. He isn't bringing home any actual significant trade deals, in fact he's cost us more money in his trips then he is signed deals. So he ran on the right but he's ruling on the left, but people believe him when he says he's doing all of these things and he's really a right winger honest. I think it will take a while for the average Retarded liberal to figure out that what he says and what he does are actually two very different things 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Goddess Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 12 minutes ago, Venandi said: As an aside, it might be time to mass downvote our resident downvote troll and give him more people to chase around the forum... the effort might keep the critter quiet for a while. OK, I'll go first. I've been tempted. Because without a Search feature, I often rely on the Notifications Bell to find topics or comments. I often can't find what I'm looking for because I have pages and pages and pages of downvote notifications from the 12-yr-old. And pages and pages of LinkyDink comments, which are just to insult me and nothing of any substance. This forum used to have less infants on it. It was nice. 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: He's cutting the carbon tax Suspending. It's a crumb and he will make it up in other ways, like he did with the consumer carbon tax. Stalin's chickens are cheering it, though. 1 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
CdnFox Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 1 hour ago, Barquentine said: WTF? Are you talking about the Cons who crossed over to get away from their loser leader? You mean the now liberals who were bribed and solicited and begged by Carney until they crossed? Numerous MPS from numerous parties have said that Carney's people are out aggressively negotiating to get people to cross the floor. These aren't people that woke up one day and went to the liberals to talk, these are people that the liberals came to talk to Every one of these people talked about how terrible the liberal policies were just a short time before they crossed. Michael ma actually went to the Christmas party and partied it up with everybody saying how great it was to be a conservative when he clearly already made arrangements to switch and left the next day They just care about lining their own pockets. Like I said they decided but it didn't matter what their constituents voted they were just going to do something different anyway 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, Goddess said: Conservatives acknowledge more than Liberals in this group. We know it's an uphill battle to get a Conservative government. The government paid for media plays a big role in that. Every night on CBC, instead of holding the government to account, it's panel after panel after panel discussing "What stupid thing did Poilievre do today?" 4 or 5 cities in Ontario & Quebec decide election results, so Liberals only have to keep them happy. Easy, peasy. Favor them, give them the most money, bring in a million immigrants and pay for them to live better than Canadians and they will vote Liberal. A half a dozen Liberals, at least, have come right out and said if municipalities vote Conservative, they don't get government attention or funding. You talk constantly about Poilievre, but can't discuss any policies or bills - from either Conservative or Liberal. Why the desperation to get rid of Poilievre? If he's so bad, you should want him to continue on. Conservatives know that it wouldn't matter who the Conservative opposition leader is, it would be the same song & dance from people like you. 11 years now of Liberal rule and Canada is far worse off than it ever was, because you guys won't acknowledge anything and keep rewarding bad politicians. And so PROUD of your stupidity!! How far does Canada have to sink before you guys wake up? What BS!!! LOL 27 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You mean the now liberals who were bribed and solicited and begged by Carney until they crossed? Numerous MPS from numerous parties have said that Carney's people are out aggressively negotiating to get people to cross the floor. These aren't people that woke up one day and went to the liberals to talk, these are people that the liberals came to talk to Every one of these people talked about how terrible the liberal policies were just a short time before they crossed. Michael ma actually went to the Christmas party and partied it up with everybody saying how great it was to be a conservative when he clearly already made arrangements to switch and left the next day They just care about lining their own pockets. Like I said they decided but it didn't matter what their constituents voted they were just going to do something different anyway Prove that loser??? You have no proof of your accusations...as usual...and all it does is demonstrate you are a LIAR and LOSER LOL. Your accusations are as empty as your brain...no room for reality when filled with PP crap Bring proof...so far you are bringing a spoon to a gunfight HA HA HA Oh , and even a bigger LOSER today than you were a couple days ago LOL Edited April 14 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
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