For Conservatives: Why are we engaging the left in any debate?

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

I knew a couple of guys at work who were big pro-wrestling fans.  I believe they were both gay. LMAO

Marvie. Zucchini buddies of yours?

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yes, of course people take sides on anything. Even science. 

But behind the politics, there's supposed to be an objective reality that any one of us can really just take our best guess at. And these days some of the people arguing don't seem to believe that.  They think that they have an absolute truth, and that people who disagree with them are 100% wrong.

Our political system is set up In opposition to such ideas... It is set for wise people who have differences of opinion to discuss and try to get closer to that truth. 

To say half of the people are just wrong is to say that politics is a bad idea, and we should just have the smart half decide everything. And I would come to that conclusion also, if I felt half the people were just wrong. 

I mean you must somehow believe that I have something to offer, or I'm redeemable.. because you're trying to convince me to come over to the right side. 

All of this based on your ridiculous idea that somehow I like Joe Biden, or thought he was a good president... Or would defend him.  It's so weird how you have to put me in some kind of box that way. 

Haven't you ever known or liked someone that had very very different politics from you? How do you resolve that in your mind? 

It makes politics more like religion to think of those binary terms.

Interesting.

So just what is it you believe Mike?

You've been a strong proponent of the destructive measures taken for "climate change" and have been proven wrong.

You dont seem to have any use for Nationalist ideals...which is what Conservatism has become in response to Liberals morphing to "Libbies".

Time to quit sitting on the fence Mike. You dont have to agree with everything from one side or the other. Hell im a Nationalist and cannot be in favor of our involvement in Iran or Ukraine.  But I also cannot support the weirdness and destruction of these Libbies. So where do you come down on these issues? What's important to you? 

Edited March 4 by Nationalist

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Reg Volk said:

The answer is no. There is no one dumber than mentally ill white liberal women.  On earth.  At any time in the history of mankind.

She's the prototypical "Angela O'Connor". The white version of AOC.

Se even possesses AOC's level of foreign affairs knowledge. 

13 hours ago, Hodad said:

^^and that's the short [bus] version

fixed it for ya.

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, Hodad said:

Oh boy, here we go again with your busted COVID rants facts.

Bro, I'm like the left4rd post repairman this morning, just following behind you to clean up your messes.

Hey, so I've been thinking about your condition, and if I'm being honest, I think your problem might be that you love Trump so much that you're afraid it's making you more gay.

So here's the deal: a few days ago Trump said: "Drain hair is disgusting. It's horrible stuff. Some say it's the worst... All full of viruses, bacteria, fungi, mold colonies and just unbelievable crud... I really think it's the worst possible thing that a human could eat. If you love me, Donald J Trump, you won't eat drain hair."

Yeah, bad, bad Twumpo said that. So now you know what you gotta do to prove to yourself that you're not a Nazi. 

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, robosmith said:

I knew a couple of guys at work who were big pro-wrestling fans.  I believe they were both gay. LMAO

Just because you get sweaty when you fantasize about them doesn't make them gay.

I think you need to see a Dr, and I don't mean during your weekly proctologist visit.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yes, of course people take sides on anything. Even science. 

But behind the politics, there's supposed to be an objective reality that any one of us can really just take our best guess at. And these days some of the people arguing don't seem to believe that.  They think that they have an absolute truth, and that people who disagree with them are 100% wrong.

You're mistaking "knowing that someone is completely full of shit" with "knowing every single thing about a specific topic".

FYI you didn't need to be an epidemiologist or virologist to catch Fauci lying. Now, tbh, there are lots of reasons why it might be for the good of the American people for him to lie, but it's still important to take note of the fact that what he was saying defied logic and fundamental scientific principles. 

Another example: when Democrats say that "The war in Iran is illegal" or "Trump didn't have the authority to start that war because he didn't ask congress for permission", I don't have to know the US constitution by heart to be able to laugh them off

1. The whole notion that a president has to share his plans with hundreds of people before a military strike is completely absurd. We both know that if Ilhan Omar and Hakeem Jefferies got wind of these plans, the ayatollah would have been safe in a bunker before the first missile or fighter plane left the ground.
2. The last war that started with congressional approval was WWII, and America has seen some action between now and then, I'm pretty sure.

 

Think about this for a sec: TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME IS SO BAD NOW THAT DEMS ARE LYING ABOUT IRAN'S THREAT-LEVEL AND INTENTIONS, AND THEY'RE CHEERING FOR IRAN TO KILL AMERICAN SOLDIERS FOR THEIR OWN POLITICAL GAIN. Am I wrong, MH? Does that mean that American democracy is becoming toxic?

Less US soldiers died in this war than the number of women were raped and murdered by people who the Dems either 1) let out of jail early or 2) should have been turned over to ICE and kicked out of the country the moment they were released from jail cells in sanctuary cities. Yet Dems have a huge boner for 6 dead US soldiers right now. All of a sudden they care about the lives of Americans. That's weird, and it's weird that that's weird.

[Michael Hardner]

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

  THEY'RE CHEERING FOR IRAN TO KILL AMERICAN SOLDIERS FOR THEIR OWN POLITICAL GAIN. Am I wrong, MH?  

I don't care if they are or not.

Obviously it's important to Americans but I'm not interested in their messes.

 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I don't care if they are or not.

You should care. 

1. It's completely absurd that we are we are here, with grown adults and elected officials cheering for unspeakable evil
2. These people look up to you, MH. Your word holds a lot of sway in the left4rd community here. It might just be a small step, but if you at least spoke up about the lunacy here, it might make one small dent in this global mess. It's time for the MH's of the world to offer a small but necessary dose of reality, because that's not coming from CNN or CBC any time soon. Maybe just say: "Let's hope that the death/casualty rate among civilians everywhere plus American and IDF servicemen stays as low as humanly possible, and that this war can help nudge Iranian civilization back towards its former peak, and beyond." Everyone should be able to agree to that, unless they are islamic fundamentalists, and we will not cater to them. 

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

You should care. 

1. It's completely absurd that we are we are here, with grown adults and elected officials cheering for unspeakable evil
2. These people look up to you, MH. Your word holds a lot of sway in the left4rd community here. It might just be a small step, but if you at least spoke up about the lunacy here, it might make one small dent in this global mess. It's time for the MH's of the world to offer a small but necessary dose of reality, because that's not coming from CNN or CBC any time soon. Maybe just say: "Let's hope that the death/casualty rate among civilians everywhere plus American and IDF servicemen stays as low as humanly possible, and that this war can help nudge Iranian civilization back towards its former peak, and beyond." Everyone should be able to agree to that, unless they are islamic fundamentalists, and we will not cater to them. 

Well, truth be known In a pacificst as meaningless and admittedly incipid it is for me to say that.

No one should cheer on death of civilians or ones own countrymen IMO.  I find it immoral.

 

[User]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I don't care if they are or not.

Obviously it's important to Americans but I'm not interested in their messes.

 

Wow.

If you don’t care, not interested in our messes, why are you in the American side of the forum? Why are you in this thread?

I mean seriously, what a disgusting thing to say.

 

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well, truth be known In a pacificst as meaningless and admittedly incipid it is for me to say that.

Of course it is sad that it needs to be said, but someone needs to be the adult in the leftist room, and I nominate you, because Hodad and Robo obviously aren't going to be the ones to step up, and no one respects them anyways. 

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No one should cheer on death of civilians or ones own countrymen IMO.  I find it immoral.

That's because it IS immoral. 

And to be completely honest, I respect the lives of any man who puts on a uniform to DEFEND their community or their country - even in places like Iran and Afghanistan - so I know that a lot of decent people will be killed in this action, regardless of how "successful" the US and IDF forces are at minimizing civilian deaths. 

I feel an odd kinship with the Iranian sailors who went to the bottom of the ocean, because each one of those ships was a community just like the ship that I lived on for a while, but I also know that a lot of them (or most? maybe all?) were loyalists to the ayatollah's death cult, so I view those sinkings with mixed emotions. 

I'm not cheering for death, or "glorious [🤮] victory" for Trump, Israel or America, but I am cheering for civilization and for atheists, agnostics, and all other non-muslims in Iran to eventually have freedom from religious bigotry and tyranny.

This war was either a huge step forward for humanity or the start of WWIII, but I have no doubt that it's an embarrassment to mankind that the islamic blight in Iran lasted so long, and if we're at the end of mankind, we kind of deserve it. 

[gatomontes99]

18 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

And here is one of those things that liberals do that is just so gawd awful wrong:

They did nothing to help sex trafficked children in our country! NOT ONE DAMN THING! AND THEY FÙCKING ENCOURAGED IT BY OPENLY STATING THEY WOULD NOT PROSECUTE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!

They knew.....KNEW...this was going on and they did nothing. NOTHING!!!

 

 

 

On that note:

 

 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

On that note:

Do you have "an anonymous source", so that leftists will take it seriously?

[Hodad]

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On 3/3/2026 at 9:31 PM, Hodad said:

For example, I don't believe for a second that you ACTUALLY rationally worked your way to the idea that criticizing the time and way that we are engaging with Iran is tantamount to supporting the Ayatollah. I didn't think for a second that you rationally worked your way to the idea that disapproving of ICE tactics makes one pro-pedophile.

23 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

I never made any of those assertions...not once. If you have to lie to make your point, is your point any good?

I guess that makes it a great straw man to knock down. 

Don't gaslight us You do that shit regularly. Gato, meet Gato. 
  
 

On 2/14/2026 at 9:58 PM, gatomontes99 said:
The double tap was actually 4 strikes and the last 3 shots were meant to sink the remaining parts of the vessel because drugs were still in play. It was known that they were going to rendezvous with another boat to transfer the drugs that would, eventually, make their way to the US.

It baffles me how much you want to defend people that are intentionally killing thousands of Americans. Why? 

You also defend illegal aliens that have killed, raped and stole from americans. Why? 

Why do you always defend our enemies? 

On 1/28/2026 at 5:46 PM, CrakHoBarbie said:
We want illegal immigrants deported, but, i.c.e.'s tactics are draconian. They escalate every encounter.  They're completely incapable of de-escalation tactics, they just shot a nurse in the back 10 times after they'd disarmed him. Federal agent's need to keep calm and regulated when in the field.  Not, rampage like mindless animals. 

When any agency that roams the halls of justice with total immunity is out of control, its Congress's duly to slap a leash on them.




On 1/29/2026 at 8:24 AM, gatomontes99 said:
No, your side doesn't. That is why they are disrupting ICE. 


On 1/29/2026 at 11:08 AM, Hodad said:
You didn't answer the question. It's not hard. 

Can people disagree with or protest a means without opposing the end? 


On 1/29/2026 at 11:14 AM, gatomontes99 said:
Oh they can. But that is not what is going on here. And that was my point. 

On 2/25/2026 at 8:41 PM, gatomontes99 said:

Jim Crow is the defacto reference when the left wants to call a law discriminatory against blacks. Saying that the SAVE Act discriminates against blacks must imply they are too stupid or too poor. 

[Hodad]

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Bro, I'm like the left4rd post repairman this morning, just following behind you to clean up your messes.

Hey, so I've been thinking about your condition, and if I'm being honest, I think your problem might be that you love Trump so much that you're afraid it's making you more gay.

So here's the deal: a few days ago Trump said: "Drain hair is disgusting. It's horrible stuff. Some say it's the worst... All full of viruses, bacteria, fungi, mold colonies and just unbelievable crud... I really think it's the worst possible thing that a human could eat. If you love me, Donald J Trump, you won't eat drain hair."

Yeah, bad, bad Twumpo said that. So now you know what you gotta do to prove to yourself that you're not a Nazi. 

Taking this as your concession. You went ahead and asked AI to sort your shit out. Good on you.

 

[gatomontes99]

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

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Don't gaslight us You do that shit regularly. Gato, meet Gato. 
  
 

On 2/14/2026 at 9:58 PM, gatomontes99 said:
The double tap was actually 4 strikes and the last 3 shots were meant to sink the remaining parts of the vessel because drugs were still in play. It was known that they were going to rendezvous with another boat to transfer the drugs that would, eventually, make their way to the US.

It baffles me how much you want to defend people that are intentionally killing thousands of Americans. Why? 

You also defend illegal aliens that have killed, raped and stole from americans. Why? 

Why do you always defend our enemies? 

On 1/28/2026 at 5:46 PM, CrakHoBarbie said:
We want illegal immigrants deported, but, i.c.e.'s tactics are draconian. They escalate every encounter.  They're completely incapable of de-escalation tactics, they just shot a nurse in the back 10 times after they'd disarmed him. Federal agent's need to keep calm and regulated when in the field.  Not, rampage like mindless animals. 

When any agency that roams the halls of justice with total immunity is out of control, its Congress's duly to slap a leash on them.




On 1/29/2026 at 8:24 AM, gatomontes99 said:
No, your side doesn't. That is why they are disrupting ICE. 


On 1/29/2026 at 11:08 AM, Hodad said:
You didn't answer the question. It's not hard. 

Can people disagree with or protest a means without opposing the end? 


On 1/29/2026 at 11:14 AM, gatomontes99 said:
Oh they can. But that is not what is going on here. And that was my point. 

I missed the part where I said anyone on the left supported the Ayatollah or that not supporting ICE made you pro-pedo. You failed to prove your point. You failed miserably. 

[Hodad]

12 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

I missed the part where I said anyone on the left supported the Ayatollah or that not supporting ICE made you pro-pedo. You failed to prove your point. You failed miserably. 

WTF? That's you, in your own words, making exactly the same braindead, specious arguments I described. It's you literally arguing that protesting ICE means defending rapists. 

Not only did I make my point, your pathetic denial is making a secondary point: if you can't acknowledge what is right there in front of your face, in your own words, as I try to coach you beyond it, you're beyond help. My charitable interpretation was too generous. That's a shame. 

[gatomontes99]

30 minutes ago, Hodad said:

WTF? That's you, in your own words, making exactly the same braindead, specious arguments I described. It's you literally arguing that protesting ICE means defending rapists. 

Not only did I make my point, your pathetic denial is making a secondary point: if you can't acknowledge what is right there in front of your face, in your own words, as I try to coach you beyond it, you're beyond help. My charitable interpretation was too generous. That's a shame. 

You said I said two specific things. I did not. You lied. 

Now that we've moved the goal posts, I can address that. Nothing you posted above was either braindead or specious. Every response I posted above was a direct response that was (and still is) backed by facts.

Take, for example, my response to crackhobarbie. It is true that those that call themselves protestors were really trying to impede ice because they wanted to stop deportations. Do you have information that proves me wrong? No. Because that is definitively as true as the sun is hot and the sky is blue and water is wet. 

The double tap post was backed by reporting: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gk7eg83eno

And the Jim Crow comment is spot on. It is hardly braindead or specious. 

Now, the real point of this exercise is you, isn't it? You got called out for jumping to name calling when you know you've lost. To prove me wrong, you called me braindead and specious while posting examples of solid analysis that you did not like. 

To sum it up, because you probably don't get it, you just resorted to name calling in an attempt to disprove that you resort to name calling. 

Question: how many hours did you spend combing through my post history to find such weak examples?

Edited March 6 by gatomontes99

[Hodad]

45 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You said I said two specific things. I did not. You lied. 

Now that we've moved the goal posts, I can address that. Nothing you posted above was either braindead or specious. Every response I posted above was a direct response that was (and still is) backed by facts.

Take, for example, my response to crackhobarbie. It is true that those that call themselves protestors were really trying to impede ice because they wanted to stop deportations. Do you have information that proves me wrong? No. Because that is definitively as true as the sun is hot and the sky is blue and water is wet. 

The double tap post was backed by reporting: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gk7eg83eno

And the Jim Crow comment is spot on. It is hardly braindead or specious. 

Now, the real point of this exercise is you, isn't it? You got called out for jumping to name calling when you know you've lost. To prove me wrong, you called me braindead and specious while posting examples of solid analysis that you did not like. 

To sum it up, because you probably don't get it, you just resorted to name calling in an attempt to disprove that you resort to name calling. 

Question: how many hours did you spend combing through my post history to find such weak examples?

You know you're being dishonest. You know you were doing exactly what I described. You can see it right there on the page. And you simply don't care. 

I didn't have to comb through your post history at all. Those were all replies that you made to me in recent conversations. On account of thinking my own thoughts, I remember the conversations I have. -- Cognitive atrophy is real. I didn't make that up. It's a known effect of social media dependency. The kids call it brain rot. Apt. 

[gatomontes99]

4 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You know you're being dishonest. You know you were doing exactly what I described. You can see it right there on the page. And you simply don't care. 

Do you think that if you commit to the fantasy that it will eventually come true? 

 

5 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I didn't have to comb through your post history at all. Those were all replies that you made to me in recent conversations. On account of thinking my own thoughts, I remember the conversations I have. -- Cognitive atrophy is real. I didn't make that up. It's a known effect of social media dependency. The kids call it brain rot. Apt. 

Yeah, one of those was from crackhobarbie, not you. Any other excuses? 

[robosmith]

On 3/3/2026 at 7:55 PM, Reg Volk said:

So what if they were?  Why is their sexual preference relevant?  Wrestling is inclusive to all races and sexual preferences.  That's one of the many reasons it is so freaking awesome. 

Thankfully, I am not a white liberal woman.  Nor am I a soy boy who still lives with mommy like you, Kenny Sod Buster Jay.

But you are an lDIOT and purveyor of LIES.

[gatomontes99]

Just now, robosmith said:

But you are an lDIOT and purveyor of LIES.

 

[Hodad]

5 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Do you think that if you commit to the fantasy that it will eventually come true? 

Nah, I'm just always hopeful that you will feel a sense of shame for what you're doing. 

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Yeah, one of those was from crackhobarbie, not you. Any other excuses? 

Jeebus, that's literally the same conversation, replies in the same conversation.  I just included CHB's for context so you could plainly see that you are doing exactly what you are pretending you didn't do--exactly what I explained you were doing in that thread and several others. 

You've got the brain rot bad. 

[gatomontes99]

4 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Nah, I'm just always hopeful that you will feel a sense of shame for what you're doing. 

I won't ever feel bad for being right. You did not even provide a single fact or opinion to oppose what I said. All you have proposed is belittlement and name calling. 

 

5 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Jeebus, that's literally the same conversation, replies in the same conversation.  I just included CHB's for context so you could plainly see that you are doing exactly what you are pretending you didn't do--exactly what I explained you were doing in that thread and several others. 

You've got the brain rot bad. 

Still going with the calling me names to prove you don't call me names when you've lost I see. Good talk Russ. 

[Hodad]

52 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

I won't ever feel bad for being right. You did not even provide a single fact or opinion to oppose what I said. All you have proposed is belittlement and name calling. 

 

Still going with the calling me names to prove you don't call me names when you've lost I see. Good talk Russ. 

1. I have dissected these wildly illogical accusations multiple times in multiple threads. *Including* the conversations I quoted.

"What you said" are just inane accusations. They are not logical constructs. They are not arguments. Just dumb shit to say because you've been conditioned to think that the most outrageous take "wins."

Protesting ICE is not a defense of rapists or pedophiles. 

Calling out war crimes (if we grant the absurd premise that we're at "war" with some little boats) is not defending criminals. 

Logic does not require fact or opinion. Just the basic ability to do logical processing. Critical thinking. 

2. Believe me, I was but calling you Jeebus. That was an exclamation of disbelief at something very difficult to believe. 

Edited March 6 by Hodad