Canada's justice system is far too lenient for murderers. They should really get capital punishment to protect society.

[User]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1.  2. Sounds like you want to give yourself a safe space to credit him if crime rates decline, or excuse him if they go up.

Sounds like you want to avoid all the facts I just gave you after you asked a rhetorical question and then answered it yourself as if there were no facts to back up that things are changing…

[herbie]

No point arguing the same points re capital punishment in yet another thread when the facts remain unchanged.

It is not effective in decreasing murder rates

Under our own social framework precept, if the individual has no right to kill, the State has even less or no right at all to.

This was decided a half century ago. Argue a return to pints & quarts, inches & miles and Red Ensigns while you're at it.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, User said:

Sounds like you want to avoid all the facts I just gave you after you asked a rhetorical question and then answered it yourself as if there were no facts to back up that things are changing…

Well... why don't you respond to my accusation of mushiness on your part ?

I'm genuinely curious about this - do you believe Trump has done anything wrong thus far ?  Is he weak on any front ?  

You're too mushy.  I personally don't put faith in politicians, and you seem to.  I'm not saying you definitely DO just that it seems so.  I may be wrong, I often am....

[User]

55 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well... why don't you respond to my accusation of mushiness on your part ?

I'm genuinely curious about this - do you believe Trump has done anything wrong thus far ?  Is he weak on any front ?  

You're too mushy.  I personally don't put faith in politicians, and you seem to.  I'm not saying you definitely DO just that it seems so.  I may be wrong, I often am....

I did respond. And yet again, you avoid the point and want to make the discussion about me instead of your comments.

Asking me if I think Trump has done anything wrong doesn’t have anything to do with your assertion. 
 

Of course he has, and I have criticized him many times on here. 
 

How am I too mushy?

You made an ignorant rhetorical question, answering it yourself, and then I posted a bunch of facts to show this… and instead of responding to those facts, you steer the discussion to baseless assertions about me being mushy. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, mom would be literally ordering a hit on someone -

Well then you're wrong. Which isn't surprising, you're always wrong.

In fact she would be an accomplice and would be charged with conspiracy not actual murder

Further, because she relied on the advice of a medical professional chances are it wouldn't even be that charge

Edited January 29 by CdnFox

[eyeball]

42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well then you're wrong. Which isn't surprising, you're always wrong.

In fact she would be an accomplice and would be charged with conspiracy not actual murder

Go take it up with the criminal code of Canada. 1st degree murder is what you're charged with for contract killing in Canada.

43 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Further, because she relied on the advice of a medical professional chances are it wouldn't even be that charge

Like the doctor they'd be charged with murder too if the killing actually occurred.

Even if it didn't occur all of the above would still be charged with conspiracy to commit murder.

Charges and penalties are all covered in section 22 of the criminal code...which would of course need to be amended to include capital punishment.

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Go take it up with the criminal code of Canada.

Nope unless you're the one doing the contract killing.

Post me a court case where the person who hired the Hitman was charged with murder and not a lesser charge

43 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Like the doctor they'd be charged with murder too if the killing actually occurred.

Doesn't seem that way.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Post me a court case where the person who hired the Hitman was charged with murder and not a lesser charge

Just charged how about convicted?

Jennifer Pan (2010): In one of Canada's most high-profile murder-for-hire cases, Jennifer Pan was convicted of first-degree murder for arranging a "staged home invasion" in Markham, Ontario

Jelka Pesic (1992): In Coquitlam, B.C., Jelka Pesic was convicted of first-degree murder for hiring a hitman to kill her daughter-in-law

Maria Figliola (2001): A Stoney Creek, Ontario, woman was convicted of first-degree murder for hiring Daniele DiTrapani to kill her husband.

Janson Bain (Ongoing): In a recent New Brunswick trial, Janson Bain was charged with murder for allegedly paying a hitman with a gold chain and cocaine to kill a Fredericton-area couple.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Doesn't seem that way.

So you actually do support abortion. Gotcha.

[Michael Hardner]

13 hours ago, User said:

I did respond. And yet again, you avoid the point and want to make the discussion about me instead of your comments.

Asking me if I think Trump has done anything wrong doesn’t have anything to do with your assertion. 
 

Of course he has, and I have criticized him many times on here. 
 

How am I too mushy?

You made an ignorant rhetorical question, answering it yourself, and then I posted a bunch of facts to show this… and instead of responding to those facts, you steer the discussion to baseless assertions about me being mushy. 

Okay, I will try to be better.

[Barquentine]

On 1/28/2026 at 12:32 PM, blackbird said:

The answer is simple.  Tighten up the justice system and correct any problems that cause wrongful convictions.

Hands up - who believes in simple solutions to difficult nuanced problems?

[Barquentine]

On 1/28/2026 at 5:32 PM, CdnFox said:

Do not give your government the power of life and death over you. They will miss use it the same as they misuse everything else

I agree with the first sentence. The second is just lazy criticism.

[Barquentine]

21 hours ago, John Stone said:

unlike SCOTUS most Canadians would be hard pressed to even name the Canadian Supreme Court bench.

And that's a good thing, right? We don't want supremes as politicized as in the States.

[Barquentine]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

In fact she would be an accomplice and would be charged with conspiracy not actual murder

Except in some jurisdictions just being there is enough:

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/stories/deeply-rooted-oklahoma-case-spotlight-tremane-wood

"Tremane Wood was convicted and sentenced to death in Oklahoma County in 2004. He was sentenced to death for the murder of Ronnie Wipf during the commission of a robbery, a murder that his brother, Jake Wood, admitted committing.

Jake was represented by a litigation team that worked diligently to secure a life sentence, while Tremane was appointed an overworked attorney who was struggling with alcohol and substance use disorders while handling approximately 100 cases."

Jake committed the murder, Tremane was saved from execution by the governor.

 

[John Stone]

45 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

And that's a good thing, right? We don't want supremes as politicized as in the States.

The (Canadian) supreme court justices are appointed based on provinces. Three justices MUST come from Quebec, three MUST come from Ontario, two MUST come from the WESTERN provinces and one from the Atlantic provinces.

The Prime Minister selects from a short list.

Political?

Oh, yeah.

Both SCOTUS and SCOC (?) are political ........politically biased. 

The difference is the U.S. flavor provides for transparency. 

 

[John Stone]

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Canadians know more about America than a lot of Americans.

And we know little about our own country.

Jay Leno used to talk to Americans and make them look stupid.  The funny thing was they didn't edit out any of the participants ...

I'd argue most Canadians know more about American culture than America per se. haha

Canada is more a product of global  British imperialism than Canadian history - France / GB determined the course of Canada. (Rupert's Land  - HB Company - Seven Years War)

Suppose you could say that France determined to a huge extent U.S. expansionism as well. The U.S. developed Nationalistic feelings long  before Canadian Confederation - Manifest Destiny was NOT just a phrase - it was pursued ............ vigorously???

Ditto Monroe Doctrine. 

 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Hands up - who believes in simple solutions to difficult nuanced problems?

The problem of a justice system that makes wrongful convictions must be addressed.  It is a lack of responsibility to just throw up your hands and say it can't be done.  If enough people set their minds to it, I'm sure they could find solutions.   Perhaps the system has roadblocks that need to be removed.  One of the big roadblocks is liberal left thinking that doesn't want to really hold the criminal responsible.  They don't really believe in justice to begin with.

About 16,500 people were killed in Canada alone by doctor assisted suicide in 2024 according to statistics.   Yet we have people that oppose capital punishment for murderers.  Just proves the unregenerate, depraved nature of mankind, as the Bible says.  You need to study the Bible to learn the solution to that problem.  There is no other guide that can replace that.  

You can be pretty sure most of these people are not Bible believers and don't care what God thinks.  God says "thou shalt not kill".  This of course condemns MAID, but Genesis 9:6 KJV says "6  Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. "  Of course MAID is not a punishment for killing someone. 

Society has it backwards.

These same people who oppose capital punishment for murder are most likely agreeable to medical assistance in suicide for the 15,500 per year that take it.  Quite a contradiction in thinking.

Edited January 30 by blackbird

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

And that's a good thing, right? We don't want supremes as politicized as in the States.

In Canada, the supreme court justices are appointed by the Governor General on the advice of the Prime Minister.   Political?  The answer is obvious.

[User]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Okay, I will try to be better.

LOL, sure.

You could have started now. 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Society has it backwards.

Well, all you need to do is convince and convert everyone to your version of Christianity and everything will be right as rain.

Good luck.

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Well, all you need to do is convince and convert everyone to your version of Christianity and everything will be right as rain.

Good luck.

It looks like Satan has converted the liberals and left to his way of thinking long ago.  Broad is the way that leadeth to destruction.  You reap what you sow.

[eyeball]

Just now, blackbird said:

It looks like Satan has converted the liberals and left to his way of thinking long ago.  Broad is the way that leadeth to destruction.  You reap what you sow.

Awww.

So is it fair to say God is a right-wing conservative? His boy seems a lot more like a hippy.

[User]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Awww.

So is it fair to say God is a right-wing conservative? His boy seems a lot more like a hippy.

That is because you have proven to be ignorant on what The Bible says and that you have a clear motive for distorting things just to be obtuse. 

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, User said:

That is because you have proven to be ignorant on what The Bible says and that you have a clear motive for distorting things just to be obtuse. 

It's funny how you and blackbird often feel the same way about each other. Nonetheless... $10 bucks says you think Satan is a lefty too.

I know you'll never admit it but the bet stands.

 

[User]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's funny how you and blackbird often feel the same way about each other. Nonetheless... $10 bucks says you think Satan is a lefty too.

I know you'll never admit it but the bet stands.

 

It is absurd to cast left/right politics onto Satan or to say Jesus was a hippy. 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

It looks like Satan has converted the liberals and left to his way of thinking long ago.  Broad is the way that leadeth to destruction.  You reap what you sow.

Awww.

So is it fair to say God is a right-wing conservative? His boy seems a lot more like a hippy.

Even China has more sense than Canada on some things.

China executed 11 members of a gang that was involved in a billion dollar online scam and murdering people.  It sounds like China does some things right, even though we know not all things are done right.

Meanwhile in Canada homes in Surrey and other cities in Canada are being shot at every couple days in extortion attempts and the government seems powerless to stop it.