LIBERALS new housing plan, is turning out to be a Sh!t show...

[Army Guy]

The PBO office really is not cutting the liberals any slack, and is attacking a few of their programs....with estimating only 26,000 new homes built in the next 5 Years...Not sure how much reach home will cost to build....But they are literally throwing bils at this problem, and showing very little results. Does this raise any red flags with liberal voters, or is this normal and i'm making to much out of it...Considering the new immigration numbers just released, i find it hard to believe they are making any progress on this file...

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The Liberal government has allocated various amounts of funding for its housing programs, including $13 billion for the initial capitalization of Build Canada Homes, which includes $1.5 billion for the Canada Rental Protection Fund and $1 billion for supportive and transitional housing. Additional funding includes $25 billion in financing for prefabricated home builders, a $10 billion fund for affordable home builders, and a $4 billion fund to help municipalities build housing faster. 

Federal housing program will only build 26,000 over next five years: Budget watchdog | Watch

Edited December 3, 2025 by Army Guy

[CdnFox]

As I said when they announced it it's an industry I know very well and they completely and utterly missed the point if their actual goal was to build more homes.

And of the homes that do get built using the program most of them would have been built anyway and are simply saving some of their developer friends about load of money that taxpayers expense

And there was absolutely no need to create yet another new bureaucracy for it when they already have three specifically dedicated to the same issues.

The housing problem is not going away anytime soon. There is a correct answer but his was absolutely wrong

[I am Groot]

Enjoy these reports while you can. This guy is going to soon be replaced by someone a lot more obedient to his Liberal masters.

[ExFlyer]

The federal government (or provincial or municipal government) are not construction companies.

At best, governments can predict and hope housing will be built but, unless private contractors and construction companies can see away to make a profit, there will be nothing built.

They can allocate funds but someone has to take up the offer. 

Edited December 3, 2025 by ExFlyer

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The federal government (or provincial or municipal government) are not construction companies.

At best, governments can predict and hope housing will be built but, unless private contractors and construction companies can see away to make a profit, there will be nothing built.

They can allocate funds but someone has to take up the offer. 

Both levels of governments could slash all the red tape and extra taxes placed on new builds, remove all these taxes and the industry would explode in action...I'm on the final stages of building a new home now, and the tax man has his hands out every step of the way, the bank has many hands in the pie, not to mention local governments taxes and fees for forms and permissions, everyone has a hand out...If we had elected PP i would have saved well over 45,000 on my home...even more if we cut all the other fees...

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Both levels of governments could slash all the red tape and extra taxes placed on new builds, remove all these taxes and the industry would explode in action...I'm on the final stages of building a new home now, and the tax man has his hands out every step of the way, the bank has many hands in the pie, not to mention local governments taxes and fees for forms and permissions, everyone has a hand out...If we had elected PP i would have saved well over 45,000 on my home...even more if we cut all the other fees...

I think provincial and federal "red tape" has been all but eliminated. 

In my area, the municipal "red tape" still exists and the municipality say it is their right. I think the "fees"are for all the infrastructure and forms and permissions for the house. I think if you had to pay it ...you would not be building a house.

When PP was a minister....he made promises and did not keep them. Harpers government had a lot to say about housing too but it went nowhere. So, don't throw stones in that glass house.

[I am Groot]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The federal government (or provincial or municipal government) are not construction companies.

At best, governments can predict and hope housing will be built but, unless private contractors and construction companies can see away to make a profit, there will be nothing built.

They can allocate funds but someone has to take up the offer. 

Is that what Carney ran on?

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The federal government (or provincial or municipal government) are not construction companies.

At best, governments can predict and hope housing will be built but, unless private contractors and construction companies can see away to make a profit, there will be nothing built.

 

Well first off that's absolutely false. Governments of all levels build housing all the time.

One of many examples: 

BC Gov News

In addition government set the stage for whether or not it is Affordable to build. Governments have a direct impact on whether or not developers are interested in building within an area or not. So governments do have the ability to directly influence where homes are built and how many homes are built. They don't just sit back and hope.

[ExFlyer]

40 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well first off that's absolutely false. Governments of all levels build housing all the time.

One of many examples: 

BC Gov News

In addition government set the stage for whether or not it is Affordable to build. Governments have a direct impact on whether or not developers are interested in building within an area or not. So governments do have the ability to directly influence where homes are built and how many homes are built. They don't just sit back and hope.

So, governments have influence but...they do not build. LOL

Hey LOSER...PP never did $hit when he was minister and neither did his leader Harper LOL. 

Don't throw stones in your BS glass house LOL LOSER

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I think provincial and federal "red tape" has been all but eliminated. 

In my area, the municipal "red tape" still exists and the municipality say it is their right. I think the "fees"are for all the infrastructure and forms and permissions for the house. I think if you had to pay it ...you would not be building a house.

When PP was a minister....he made promises and did not keep them. Harpers government had a lot to say about housing too but it went nowhere. So, don't throw stones in that glass house.

I can attest not in NB, 

I think our property taxes account for that, where i live the streets get plowed and the garbage picked up all for 6000.00 in property taxes and those go up every year...I have a well and septic...and mail is done in bulk mail box's at the end of the street...That's in the rural areas...in town property taxes are around 6 to 8 000 a year...

This is not about the past, the past does not give you a free pass, just because johnny did it does not mean it is right for Carney to do it...Lets remember this is his program worth 30 to 40 bil dollars and for that money we get 26,000 new homes....i wonder what that works out per home...Is that not a red flag to you....i mean to me that got a flashing red light on the top of it....SHOW me the beef is the question i have...

 

[Shady]

9 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The federal government (or provincial or municipal government) are not construction companies.

At best, governments can predict and hope housing will be built but, unless private contractors and construction companies can see away to make a profit, there will be nothing built.

They can allocate funds but someone has to take up the offer. 

Then why did the Liberals promise to build 500,000+ homes per year?

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

So, governments have influence but...they do not build. LOL

Hey LOSER...PP never did $hit when he was minister and neither did his leader Harper LOL. 

Don't throw stones in your BS glass house LOL LOSER

Housing was half the cost.  At the very least, at least they didn’t bring in more new citizens than we could absorb, they made housing scarce and even more expensive.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I think provincial and federal "red tape" has been all but eliminated. 

You are horrifically mistaken. Currently as things stand in British Columbia about 55 to 60% of the cost of building a new home development for a contractor is in red tape and compliance issues

No municipality has the right to red tape. Municipalities and cities do not exist in the constitution, only provinces and federal governments do. All lower forms of government derive their power from the provincial government itself and the provincial government can dictate whatever it likes.

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

So, governments have influence but...they do not build. LOL

They absolutely do. I absolutely gave you a link to a story about the government building things   

I know reading isn't your forte but for god's sake it was an easy link

And yes, Poilievre did quite a bit when he was minister under harper. And they built more homes then then are being built in Canada right now. And that was 15 years ago when we had a lower population.

The government absolutely has the ability to impact how many homes are built and in fact that's something cardi has just set up a department to do but unfortunately it's failing. And anybody familiar with the industry could have told you that's what was going to happen. He's not addressing the right problems

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Shady said:

Then why did the Liberals promise to build 500,000+ homes per year?

 

Honestly I think he said it because he's not afraid to lie and he though it would help him get elected. 

There are ways that the government could massively stimulate huge increases in construction but unfortunately loaning money to developers is not one of them. That has not been their problem.

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Housing was half the cost.  At the very least, at least they didn’t bring in more new citizens than we could absorb, they made housing scarce and even more expensive.

That's true. Although if we're being fair part of the problem has been that municipalities and cities have become a little drunk on the money they make from Developers in the forms of fees and charges and those have grown substantially if not exponentially in some areas.

But the feds could have done a lot more in recent years and matching immigration to housing starts should have been a no-brainer

[ExFlyer]

On 12/3/2025 at 6:20 PM, Army Guy said:

I can attest not in NB, 

I think our property taxes account for that, where i live the streets get plowed and the garbage picked up all for 6000.00 in property taxes and those go up every year...I have a well and septic...and mail is done in bulk mail box's at the end of the street...That's in the rural areas...in town property taxes are around 6 to 8 000 a year...

This is not about the past, the past does not give you a free pass, just because johnny did it does not mean it is right for Carney to do it...Lets remember this is his program worth 30 to 40 bil dollars and for that money we get 26,000 new homes....i wonder what that works out per home...Is that not a red flag to you....i mean to me that got a flashing red light on the top of it....SHOW me the beef is the question i have...

 

Property taxes are what you pay when your house is already built and receiving the services ...whatever they may be.

'Mail has nothing to do with building a house, neither do the services received after the house is built... that is also a local municipality issue.

The red tape I am talking about is in the building of the homes and and infrastructure required to support the house which is now at the provincial and local level.

Decades ago there was a housing issue as well and the feds had what was called an AHOP (Assisted Home Ownership Program) program. Maybe that is something from the past that can be resurrected

https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2017/schl-cmhc/NH15-511-1980-eng.pdf

[eyeball]

On 12/3/2025 at 3:20 PM, Army Guy said:

I can attest not in NB, 

I think our property taxes account for that, where i live the streets get plowed and the garbage picked up all for 6000.00 in property taxes and those go up every year...I have a well and septic...and mail is done in bulk mail box's at the end of the street...That's in the rural areas...in town property taxes are around 6 to 8 000 a year...

$6000 per year?! That sure sounds pricey. My situation sounds very similar...rural...our own septic system & well ...garbage pickup...road maintenance... all for around $1700 per year with senior's and primary residence grant

On 12/3/2025 at 3:20 PM, Army Guy said:

Lets remember this is his program worth 30 to 40 bil dollars and for that money we get 26,000 new homes....i wonder what that works out per home..

Its a $13 billion program divided by 26000 homes = $500K per home.  Sounds like $400-500 per sq ft. Development fees/permits around here are about 1% of costs.  $5000 is nothing to sneeze at I know but it really is peanuts compared to the final cost.  The biggest complaint I hear around here is the cost of materials and the shortage of labour. The time it takes to get through the paperwork seems to be offset by the time it takes to find or move labourers from a finished home to the next one in line.

$500K per home, plus cost of the land is why the housing crunch will be with us forever.  The only practical long term solution is fewer people and less demand or 6 figure incomes become the standard/average living and building wage.  Land reform to make land cheaper or even free in cases would help, along with easing single-residency rules to allow more sharing of existing infrastructure - reducing nimbyism IOW.

[Army Guy]

22 hours ago, eyeball said:

$6000 per year?! That sure sounds pricey. My situation sounds very similar...rural...our own septic system & well ...garbage pickup...road maintenance... all for around $1700 per year with senior's and primary residence grant

Its a $13 billion program divided by 26000 homes = $500K per home.  Sounds like $400-500 per sq ft. Development fees/permits around here are about 1% of costs.  $5000 is nothing to sneeze at I know but it really is peanuts compared to the final cost.  The biggest complaint I hear around here is the cost of materials and the shortage of labour. The time it takes to get through the paperwork seems to be offset by the time it takes to find or move labourers from a finished home to the next one in line.

$500K per home, plus cost of the land is why the housing crunch will be with us forever.  The only practical long term solution is fewer people and less demand or 6 figure incomes become the standard/average living and building wage.  Land reform to make land cheaper or even free in cases would help, along with easing single-residency rules to allow more sharing of existing infrastructure - reducing nimbyism IOW.

Yes it is pricy and that is in the rural areas....move into the city and your taxes will jump from 6 to high 8000.00 a year...There is no seniors or primary residence grant here unfortunately...

Prices of home sky rockets when we had a huge influx of people coming from Ontario, selling their million dollar homes and working from home here in NB, Both my next door Neighbors purchases sight unseen for 400,000.... 5 years ago.... now selling his home for over 700,000...This is all across the Maritimes, even a mobile trailer cost more than 300K, and the government is cashing in as well with sky high property taxes.

 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

Prices of home sky rockets when we had a huge influx of people coming from Ontario, selling their million dollar homes and working from home here in NB, Both my next door Neighbors purchases sight unseen for 400,000.... 5 years ago.... now selling his home for over 700,000...This is all across the Maritimes, even a mobile trailer cost more than 300K, and the government is cashing in as well with sky high property taxes.

It's the same here. The single 130'x60' lot and old funky house next door just sold for $790000. Admittedly that's down from the $890000 it sold for in the middle of COVID.

I figure it's still priced about 10 times to high given the lot size and funky nature of the house.

Our property taxes used to be more in the range of $1200 a year before the place next door flipped and flopped.

[WestCanMan]

On 12/3/2025 at 7:07 AM, ExFlyer said:

The federal government (or provincial or municipal government) are not construction companies.

That's not what you said when Carney was promising to get houses built. 

[ExFlyer]

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's not what you said when Carney was promising to get houses built. 

Duhhh, don't make $hit up. I never once said that.

Lying is not something you do too often so, why start now? 

You just cannot stand it when it makes sense...fact is "The federal government (or provincial or municipal government) are not construction companies."   

[ExFlyer]

On 12/6/2025 at 3:33 PM, eyeball said:

$6000 per year?! That sure sounds pricey. My situation sounds very similar...rural...our own septic system & well ...garbage pickup...road maintenance... all for around $1700 per year with senior's and primary residence grant

Its a $13 billion program divided by 26000 homes = $500K per home.  Sounds like $400-500 per sq ft. Development fees/permits around here are about 1% of costs.  $5000 is nothing to sneeze at I know but it really is peanuts compared to the final cost.  The biggest complaint I hear around here is the cost of materials and the shortage of labour. The time it takes to get through the paperwork seems to be offset by the time it takes to find or move labourers from a finished home to the next one in line.

$500K per home, plus cost of the land is why the housing crunch will be with us forever.  The only practical long term solution is fewer people and less demand or 6 figure incomes become the standard/average living and building wage.  Land reform to make land cheaper or even free in cases would help, along with easing single-residency rules to allow more sharing of existing infrastructure - reducing nimbyism IOW.

I live in a older neighbourhood and that is high but my Son is in a newer area and his property taxes are that high too.

Labour and materials are huge driver in home costs. Land prices, which is not discussed often is a big driver as well. A city lot in my area is between $300 to $600K. In the rural areas just out of town they are $250K.

According to ReMax, it costs between $350 to $500 per sq ft to build a house in my city.

Many decades ago there was a government program called AHOP (Assisted Home Ownership Program). Maybe it should be resurrected?

As for NIMBYISM...for sure that is a problem. Where I live there are close to protests every time a developer wants to start a project. Delay after delay after delay causes prices to rise.  There is a 18 hole golf course that has closed because it could no longer function has been in one court case after another for close to 5 years by citizens upset that they will lose their golf course view. Just last month the supreme court said it will not see the case. Ya think the developer is losing money and not going to add that cost to the homes they want to build (they planned 400 homes)

It all adds to the cost of a home.

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Duhhh, don't make $hit up. I never once said that.

 

He's not. You did sing a very different tune when carney was promising to get houses built. You certainly didn't disagree with them

It must be tough being you, having to constantly go back and explain why you said something stupid and try and disavow it.

Fact is the government can do a hell of a lot to get homes built, carney just isn't

[ExFlyer]

38 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He's not. You did sing a very different tune when carney was promising to get houses built. You certainly didn't disagree with them

It must be tough being you, having to constantly go back and explain why you said something stupid and try and disavow it.

Fact is the government can do a hell of a lot to get homes built, carney just isn't

Nope...prove your lies 

It is great being me...I get to troll you and suck you in all the time LOSER LOL LOL LOL

Fact is federal and most provincial impediments have been removed...talk to your municipality and the banks

The National Building Code (NBC)

 

The National Research Council of Canada publishes the NBC, which serves as the foundational standard for safe and efficient construction across the country. Restrictions and requirements within the NBC become law only after provincial/territorial adoption. 

 

• Safety and Accessibility: The NBC includes provisions for structural safety (including earthquake forces), fire protection, and accessibility features.
• Energy Efficiency: The code establishes tiers for energy performance, providing a framework for achieving higher efficiency levels in housing.
• Construction Methods: Recent updates have included technical requirements for mass timber construction, allowing for wood buildings up to 12 storeys.
• Design Considerations: Some requirements, such as those related to minimum run dimensions for stairs, aim to improve safety. Other requirements, like those mandating two staircases in buildings over two storeys, have been cited as a factor in limiting the size and design of urban apartments. 

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Federal Government Initiatives and Policies

 

The federal government uses funding and policy to encourage specific types of home building and influence provincial/municipal restrictions: 

 

• Incentivizing Density: The federal government, through the Canada Housing Infrastructure Fund (CHIF), offers funding to municipalities that commit to meeting housing conditions, such as allowing four units to be built in their communities.
• Housing Design Catalogue: The federal government has developed a Housing Design Catalogue of pre-approved designs (including accessory dwelling units, fourplexes, etc.) to help streamline local approval processes and cut costs.
• Building on Federal Land: The new "Build Canada Homes" agency is tasked with developing housing on suitable federal properties across the country, particularly in communities like Ottawa.
• Financing Measures: The government has introduced mortgage reforms, such as expanding the availability of 30-year amortizations for first-time homebuyers and purchasers of new builds, to make homeownership more accessible.
• Buy Clean Policy: Federal procurement and investments in infrastructure now promote the use of low or net-zero-carbon construction materials and designs, including requiring a 30% reduction of embodied carbon in major projects by 2025. 

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Jurisdictional Authority

 

Ultimately, the primary authority for building restrictions rests with local authorities, as the national codes are only models until adopted. To build a home, you must obtain permits and approvals from your local municipality, ensuring compliance with local zoning laws and the specific provincial building code in effect (e.g., the 2024 Ontario Building Code). 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope...prove your lies 

Sure. 

Prime Minister Carney launches Build Canada Homes to supercharge homebuilding across the country | Prime Minister of Canada

Look at all the ways Carney says the feds can build homes "at speed", way faster than ever before!!!  You're not calling Carney a liar are you?  

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

It is great being me...I get to troll you and suck you in all the time LOSER LOL LOL LOL

I accept your admission of defeat    And stop taking to your mirror, you're making it weird 

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The federal government uses funding and policy to encourage specific types of home building and influence provincial/municipal restrictions: 

 

Ummmm.... that's proof that the feds can do a lot to get homes built. 

 

I mean... i appreciate you taking the time to prove i'm right but it's kind of weird isn't it?

[ExFlyer]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure. 

Prime Minister Carney launches Build Canada Homes to supercharge homebuilding across the country | Prime Minister of Canada

Look at all the ways Carney says the feds can build homes "at speed", way faster than ever before!!!  You're not calling Carney a liar are you?  

I accept your admission of defeat    And stop taking to your mirror, you're making it weird 

Ummmm.... that's proof that the feds can do a lot to get homes built. 

 

I mean... i appreciate you taking the time to prove i'm right but it's kind of weird isn't it?

Does not prove I said anything and to think you believe you are right is hilarious HA HAHA

It is obvious I am so embedded in your head you cannot think straight.... if you ever could before anyway  LOL LOL LOL

[eyeball]

On 12/7/2025 at 2:10 PM, WestCanMan said:

That's not what you said when Carney was promising to get houses built. 

You people really need to get your stupid heads out of your dumbass butts over this notion everyone who argues with you believes the  politicians you're whining about will keep their promises.

Think straight - more critically

You're not the only ones capable of bringing a grain of salt or even better a big grinder full of chunks you can grind and sprinkle liberally...wherever politicians are concerned...all of them...equally...

Am I getting thru to you here, at all?