Just how much corruption exists in this federal government?

[ExFlyer]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

LOL so are your diapers kiddo  

The conservatives did more for working families that the libs have and obviously that's got you pissed   Now go ask your mommy for some talcum powder for that rash LOL

HA HA HA The LOSER thinks he has a point HA HA HA

Gotta stay off the complainative kool aid LOSER.

The complainatives have done nothing for the working families. If you say so...name it LOL

Remember , they have not had a chance in over 12 years to do anything but whine and cry LOL

Oh you LOSERS live so far in the past and your memory is tainted by the years LOL LOL LOL

I see the pedophile in you is still active too LOSER

 

Edited December 7, 2025 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

HA HA HA The LOSER thinks he has a point HA HA HA

 

 

You do?  I was pretty sure you didn't think you had a point.   other than the one on the top of your head  

[ExFlyer]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You do?  I was pretty sure you didn't think you had a point.   other than the one on the top of your head  

Well, he does a have a better point than you...LOSER LOL

I never made a point...but your inability top comprehend got in your way again LOL. LOSER

You never have a point HA HA HA  LOSER 

GAWD, you are such a sad person and such a LOSER it is inconceivable to normal people LOL LOL LOL

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Well, he does a have a better point than you...LOSER LOL

He? You're referring to yourself in the third person now?!?! LOLOL

"we are amused!"

[ExFlyer]

42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He? You're referring to yourself in the third person now?!?! LOLOL

"we are amused!"

Ya gotta do waaaay better LOSER LOL LOL LOL

Your retorts are so lame lately LOSER HA HA HA 

Yes, for sure "we are amused!"

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Ya gotta do waaaay better LOSER

LOL  says the teen who can't do better than 'you gotta do better'   

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LOL LOL LOL

I accept your surrender  

[ExFlyer]

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL  says the teen who can't do better than 'you gotta do better'   

I accept your surrender  

Awww is that the best you can do??

your pedophileia is hampering your retorts LOL

Surrender to what? Down to your level.... i won't stoop so low LOL LOL LOL

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Awww is that the best you can do??

 

ROFLMAO!!  That's the same thing kid  LOLOL    Which would make it the best YOU can do at any rate   

Guess you're surrendering again  

You honestly have no idea how much i wind up actually laughing audibly at you   

"You gotta do better"

(oh shit, they pointed out how stupid that is, i've got to say something more intelligent next time or i'll look like a twat!!)

Umm  "Is that the best you can do?"  

(ha! Totally different!  Whew, almost blew that one)

Honestly i nearly spilt my drink  

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

ROFLMAO!!  That's the same thing kid  LOLOL    Which would make it the best YOU can do at any rate   

....

"You gotta do better"

(....

Umm  "Is that the best you can do?"  

(h.

Awww is that the best you can do??

The complainative kool aid seems to have made you even dumber than before LOSER.

Edited December 8, 2025 by ExFlyer

[cannuck]

A few observations from someone who has been privvy to or involved in investigating corruption.

ANY time there is a significant transfer of money that is not coming directly out of the pocket of the person(s) who earned it, there WILL be some corrupt benefits involved.  It goes all of the way from multi-billion dollar deals down to multi-thousand.

These things happen in the back rooms of politics and especially in the front offices of bureaucracies.  To think that one party or for that matter any country or agency is any different or any better than another is naive in the extreme.

I will throw out a couple I have seen up close.

A close friend was once approached by a CMHC official to build some apartments.  He couldn't understand the red carpet treatment until said official got down to the end of the process and spelled out how, how much, where and when he needed to be paid to get the CMHC guarantees on what by then was a committed project.  The appartments got built, the official lost his job but sadly did not get deported back to the country where all government employees seem to be borne nor in a Canadian jail where he belongs.

We were once tasked to find out how a government defined programme for recycling was operating at impossible "efficiencies".  Turns out the charity/non profit operator was milking the system by bringing in material from out-of-province and taking out of the "deposit" fund paid only in that province.  His skim was taken as a "brokerage" fee paid to an offshore company he controlled.  We reported the scam to cabinet and when the went toe-to-toe he challenged them that the previous Minister (from same government) was in on the scam and the skim and if they prosecuted him he would expose that and risk taking down that government.  Lost his job, didn't go to jail...see a pattern here?

A company we financed was doing consulting work with a major chartered bank.  They were a small group (4-6) under one big name IT one blue chip accounting/financial consultants.  They 2 big companies slowly edged the little guys out claiming they had not delivered on terms of contract.  When we investigated, turns out the ONLY contactors to have delivered ANYTHING was the little group .  Also turns out the 2 big cos had been flying almost every senior VP of the bank by chartered biz jet to several weeks a year of "business" meetings in Caricom 5 star resorts.  When reported the bank's chief counsel, great promisses of reward for our work were made.  In the end the little guys go no further contracts with the bank, nobody in the C suite lost their job and the maga project just kept on going (think 150 consultants at $500/hr for a few years).

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, cannuck said:

A few observations from someone who has been privvy to or involved in investigating corruption.

ANY time there is a significant transfer of money that is not coming directly out of the pocket of the person(s) who earned it, there WILL be some corrupt benefits involved.  It goes all of the way from multi-billion dollar deals down to multi-thousand.

These things happen in the back rooms of politics and especially in the front offices of bureaucracies.  To think that one party or for that matter any country or agency is any different or any better than another is naive in the extreme.

I will throw out a couple I have seen up close.

A close friend was once approached by a CMHC official to build some apartments.  He couldn't understand the red carpet treatment until said official got down to the end of the process and spelled out how, how much, where and when he needed to be paid to get the CMHC guarantees on what by then was a committed project.  The appartments got built, the official lost his job but sadly did not get deported back to the country where all government employees seem to be borne nor in a Canadian jail where he belongs.

We were once tasked to find out how a government defined programme for recycling was operating at impossible "efficiencies".  Turns out the charity/non profit operator was milking the system by bringing in material from out-of-province and taking out of the "deposit" fund paid only in that province.  His skim was taken as a "brokerage" fee paid to an offshore company he controlled.  We reported the scam to cabinet and when the went toe-to-toe he challenged them that the previous Minister (from same government) was in on the scam and the skim and if they prosecuted him he would expose that and risk taking down that government.  Lost his job, didn't go to jail...see a pattern here?

A company we financed was doing consulting work with a major chartered bank.  They were a small group (4-6) under one big name IT one blue chip accounting/financial consultants.  They 2 big companies slowly edged the little guys out claiming they had not delivered on terms of contract.  When we investigated, turns out the ONLY contactors to have delivered ANYTHING was the little group .  Also turns out the 2 big cos had been flying almost every senior VP of the bank by chartered biz jet to several weeks a year of "business" meetings in Caricom 5 star resorts.  When reported the bank's chief counsel, great promisses of reward for our work were made.  In the end the little guys go no further contracts with the bank, nobody in the C suite lost their job and the maga project just kept on going (think 150 consultants at $500/hr for a few years).

 

Not sure of the point except that you say that there are scams being run.

Scams are a problem for everyone...from the lowly Grandparent to huge corporations and governments of all levels.

Reports on scams are on the news almost every night. Be they ponzi, construction, renovation, phishing, banking (personal), investment fraud and on and on and on.

Diligence is the key for us personally and oversight is supposed to be the key for government but, we all know the scammers are smarter than we are because they keep on happening.

Will it ever end?? No, there have been crooks outsmarting us since the beginning and they will find new ways every day.

There are and will always be some folks that take advantage whenever they can.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, cannuck said:

A few observations from someone who has been privvy to or involved in investigating corruption.

ANY time there is a significant transfer of money that is not coming directly out of the pocket of the person(s) who earned it, there WILL be some corrupt benefits involved.  It goes all of the way from multi-billion dollar deals down to multi-thousand.

These things happen in the back rooms of politics and especially in the front offices of bureaucracies.  To think that one party or for that matter any country or agency is any different or any better than another is naive in the extreme.

I will throw out a couple I have seen up close.

A close friend was once approached by a CMHC official to build some apartments.  He couldn't understand the red carpet treatment until said official got down to the end of the process and spelled out how, how much, where and when he needed to be paid to get the CMHC guarantees on what by then was a committed project.  The appartments got built, the official lost his job but sadly did not get deported back to the country where all government employees seem to be borne nor in a Canadian jail where he belongs.

We were once tasked to find out how a government defined programme for recycling was operating at impossible "efficiencies".  Turns out the charity/non profit operator was milking the system by bringing in material from out-of-province and taking out of the "deposit" fund paid only in that province.  His skim was taken as a "brokerage" fee paid to an offshore company he controlled.  We reported the scam to cabinet and when the went toe-to-toe he challenged them that the previous Minister (from same government) was in on the scam and the skim and if they prosecuted him he would expose that and risk taking down that government.  Lost his job, didn't go to jail...see a pattern here?

A company we financed was doing consulting work with a major chartered bank.  They were a small group (4-6) under one big name IT one blue chip accounting/financial consultants.  They 2 big companies slowly edged the little guys out claiming they had not delivered on terms of contract.  When we investigated, turns out the ONLY contactors to have delivered ANYTHING was the little group .  Also turns out the 2 big cos had been flying almost every senior VP of the bank by chartered biz jet to several weeks a year of "business" meetings in Caricom 5 star resorts.  When reported the bank's chief counsel, great promisses of reward for our work were made.  In the end the little guys go no further contracts with the bank, nobody in the C suite lost their job and the maga project just kept on going (think 150 consultants at $500/hr for a few years).

 

Things might not change much either because the people blindly keep on voting the same old gang in.  The Liberals obviously don't believe in punishing crime to any degree.  It's always catch and release or give criminals conditional discharges or conditional sentences with house arrests or send them to sweat lodge for aboriginal healing. 

Not much has changed over the years.  Now crime is rampant in most cities and not much is being done to stop it.   This country is really going to the dogs.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Awww is that the best you can do??

 

Awww back to repeat mode i see  First thing in the morning and i've already crushed you emotionally apperently  

You're always so fast to roll over and show your belly aren't you. 

[I am Groot]

23 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Not sure of the point except that you say that there are scams being run.

Scams are a problem for everyone...from the lowly Grandparent to huge corporations and governments of all levels.

Reports on scams are on the news almost every night. Be they ponzi, construction, renovation, phishing, banking (personal), investment fraud and on and on and on.

And how often is anyone actually punished? Virtually never.

There's an article on corruption in The Hub on Canada's growing corruption. It doesn't seem to be possible to read it all without a free subscription but here it is: https://thehub.ca/2025/12/06/canadians-must-open-their-eyes-to-our-growing-culture-of-corruption/

One of the main points of the story is how governments have offloaded duties and jobs to an army of consultants and private corporations whose greatest skills are in figuring out how to navigate the corridors of power to gain influence and get contracts.

The government gives a fat, multi-million dollar contract to some guy who represents himself as a corporation. He skims off half and then subcontracts to three companies. Happens all the time in Ottawa, and probably in Toronto, Vancouver, and Quebec City. Billions went to shell companies that are 'native' who then simply pass the work along to non-native companies after taking a big cut. And when that came out? Who went to jail? Nobody.

Some highlights:

Canada used to know how to do difficult things well. We strung rail across a continent in about six years. We carved hydro stations out of the wilderness. We founded universities that produced engineers, city planners, and public servants who could deliver complex work with competence and restraint. We were not perfect, nothing human is, but we were serious.

And out of that seriousness came the most famous line in our constitutional tradition: peace, order and good government. It was an ethic grounded in the idea that the state should act where it adds value, but step back where it does not. Our institutions knew their limits, and we were proud of them for it.

That ethic has eroded. Today the state is too often a hollow shell of its former competence, a client of its own consultants and an issuer of contracts to intermediaries who manage the process of decline.

...

The NGO world mirrors this. Canada now spends tens of billions of dollars each year on grants and contribution agreements, both domestic and international. Many of the organizations receiving this money exist largely because the government funds them, and they have learned the vocabulary that unlocks support. These words sound virtuous but often replace measurable outcomes. Worse, the system rarely checks whether the work actually generates good value for the price we pay.

...

The true cost of this ecosystem is hard to pin down because it is scattered across governments, but the scale is unmistakable. Federal and provincial tax expenditures now exceed 200 billion dollars a year. Some of this reflects broad measures that few dispute, but buried within that total are tens of billions in narrow credits, carve-outs, and incentives that function as benefits secured by organized groups even when the public value is questionable, especially when you consider how they distort markets.

[ExFlyer]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

And how often is anyone actually punished? Virtually never.

There's an article on corruption in The Hub on Canada's growing corruption. It doesn't seem to be possible to read it all without a free subscription but here it is: https://thehub.ca/2025/12/06/canadians-must-open-their-eyes-to-our-growing-culture-of-corruption/

One of the main points of the story is how governments have offloaded duties and jobs to an army of consultants and private corporations whose greatest skills are in figuring out how to navigate the corridors of power to gain influence and get contracts.

The government gives a fat, multi-million dollar contract to some guy who represents himself as a corporation. He skims off half and then subcontracts to three companies. Happens all the time in Ottawa, and probably in Toronto, Vancouver, and Quebec City. Billions went to shell companies that are 'native' who then simply pass the work along to non-native companies after taking a big cut. And when that came out? Who went to jail? Nobody.

Some highlights:

Canada used to know how to do difficult things well. We strung rail across a continent in about six years. We carved hydro stations out of the wilderness. We founded universities that produced engineers, city planners, and public servants who could deliver complex work with competence and restraint. We were not perfect, nothing human is, but we were serious.

And out of that seriousness came the most famous line in our constitutional tradition: peace, order and good government. It was an ethic grounded in the idea that the state should act where it adds value, but step back where it does not. Our institutions knew their limits, and we were proud of them for it.

That ethic has eroded. Today the state is too often a hollow shell of its former competence, a client of its own consultants and an issuer of contracts to intermediaries who manage the process of decline.

...

The NGO world mirrors this. Canada now spends tens of billions of dollars each year on grants and contribution agreements, both domestic and international. Many of the organizations receiving this money exist largely because the government funds them, and they have learned the vocabulary that unlocks support. These words sound virtuous but often replace measurable outcomes. Worse, the system rarely checks whether the work actually generates good value for the price we pay.

...

The true cost of this ecosystem is hard to pin down because it is scattered across governments, but the scale is unmistakable. Federal and provincial tax expenditures now exceed 200 billion dollars a year. Some of this reflects broad measures that few dispute, but buried within that total are tens of billions in narrow credits, carve-outs, and incentives that function as benefits secured by organized groups even when the public value is questionable, especially when you consider how they distort markets.

I agree that very few get punished.

To your point of government offloading duties, well, you are correct. I worked in government. I was hired because I had"special skills and talents". Thing was, once in the government, I was basically made an administrator as were all the people I worked with and probably as all government workers. We hired people to investigate and make recommendations. Then we decided what to suggest to the powers to be. I dare say you cannot find an engineer int he government that actually uses their degree or licence (and that goes for other professions as well). Not sure why they hire professionals and not use their expertise and training. Perhaps so they can blame someone else if things go for a crap? LOL

As for building railroads, hydro dams, universities. That was hundreds of years ago (hydro the exception). We are not the same society nor have the same desire for accomplishment. We have so much dissension nowadays we could never do those things again. 

We cannot make decisions anymore because of all the dissension or disagreement between political parties and special interest groups.  Look at how long we have talked about high speed rail and how many studies we have had about it

The "200 billions of dollars a year" are budgeted and spent to please us. And every government elected will do whatever to make sure they please us to get elected again.

On the topic of scams and punishment (as opposed to your spin on government), there are punishments doled out quite often. Thing is...the people being scammed are rarely, if ever, compensated.

 

 

Edited December 9, 2025 by ExFlyer

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I agree that very few get punished.

....the people being scammed are rarely, if ever, compensated.

This is where the rubber hits the road alright.

There's never a Batman around when you need one.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

This is where the rubber hits the road alright.

There's never a Batman around when you need one.

Sure there is. Millions of them They're called voters. 

But unfortunately ones like you side with the villains.  Just like you side with the terrorists. I will never understand why. 

[eyeball]

42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure there is. Millions of them They're called voters. 

But unfortunately ones like you side with the villains.  Just like you side with the terrorists. I will never understand why. 

Naw many simply don't support your beloved Conservatives, it doesn't mean they support your beloved Liberals.   As for supporting terrorists, go look in a mirror.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Naw many simply support lying and corruption. It's been a liberal tradition for so long we don't know what else to do really. If PP were corrupt we'd consider voting for him 

It does mean you're supporting the liberals. And there are other parties, people could vote NDP if they didn't want to vote conservative but let's face it at the end of the day what it means is that they support and love the liberals so much that they will tolerate extreme corruption. You yourself are no different and I've tried to defend Trudeau's corruption many times blaming harper for it

And I love that your defense for the fact that you actively support the terrorists when called on it is "errrrr.... Nuh UH! YOU are!"  LOL 

 

[eyeball]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It does mean you're supporting the liberals.

LMAO! Yes, liberals, not Liberals.

You poor stupid shmuck, you just can't help yourself can you? You run into your own stupid ass every single time. LMAO!

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And I love that your defense for the fact that you actively support the terrorists when called on it is "errrrr.... Nuh UH! YOU are!"  LOL 

Except I'm lying about my support and you're not 

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, eyeball said:

LMAO! Yes, liberals, not Liberals.

 

You support them both    Just like you support hamas and Hamas  

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You poor stupid shmuck,

Awww you mad bro? Hurts your feelings to get called on your bullshit does it?

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 you just can't help yourself can you? You run into your own stupid ass every single time. LMAO!

Not quite sure what that means but I told you many times that I prefer women and I'm afraid you just going to have to accept that   

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Except I'm lying about my support

You said you didn't' support them... so if you're lying then you do and we already knew that.  

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and you're not

You're lying about that too   You are pretty consistent  

It's extremely easy for me because I don't have to lie. My opinions don't require lies to make them work, unlike yours. I don't have to lie to explain why I think killing people in an act of terrorism is bad. The truth works for me. Whereas you do have to lie to try and come up with a reason why you think it's okay

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Not quite sure what that means

You're like a puppy chasing his tail.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You said you didn't' support them... so if you're lying then you do and we already knew that.

I support Irgun and Lehi, just like you said. You know?

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're like a puppy chasing his tail.

Because you can't communicate??  oohhh kaaaay then.....   

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I support Irgun and Lehi, just like you said. You know?

we know what you support