New Submarines: Carney vs Poilievre

[John Stone]

On 11/15/2025 at 12:46 PM, blackbird said:

That's what Chairman Mao did in China.  He abolished religion and Christianity and murdered around 100 million people.   That's what atheism does sometimes.

 

On 11/15/2025 at 12:46 PM, blackbird said:

That's what Chairman Mao did in China.  He abolished religion and Christianity and murdered around 100 million people.   That's what atheism does sometimes.

 

On 11/15/2025 at 12:46 PM, blackbird said:

That's what Chairman Mao did in China.  He abolished religion and Christianity and murdered around 100 million people.   That's what atheism does sometimes.

Most  are ignorant of the fact that a German catholic political party allowed the Nazi to gain absolute power (Enabling Act). Hitler's promise to the Catholics was that it they would support him,  he'd eat the Catholics last. Any religion cannot be tolerated (control notwithstanding - see Russia) under a autocracy regime. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

 

 

Most  are ignorant of the fact that a German catholic political party allowed the Nazi to gain absolute power (Enabling Act). Hitler's promise to the Catholics was that it they would support him,  he'd eat the Catholics last. Any religion cannot be tolerated (control notwithstanding - see Russia) under a autocracy regime. 

Yes, there have been lots of regimes and rulers down through history that did not respect basic human rights.  That is a characteristic of a corrupt and fallen world.  Only Jesus saves through his written word, the King James Bible.

Edited November 18, 2025 by blackbird

[Army Guy]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

about as much imagination as soldiers fighting forest fires and shovelling snow does.
Or do you think you'll spend your tour shooting people and blowing shit up? Hoof it South if you want that.
We're not at war and we're not the ones to start one.

Canadian armed forces has a wide scope of experience , manpower, and equipment that is not available any where else in Canada....why would the government NOT use them in periods of crises.....That's part of the experience of being a soldier, one day you can be filling sand bags in a flood zone, and the next being in some operation be it seizing drugs, or hunting down terrorist....everyday is a surprise...

Again your knowledge about our military is telling....JTF-2 and CSOR are operational everyday of the year, around the world....doing just that shooting bad guys and blowing shit up, Just because the Herbies of the country don't know about it or rather have buried their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge it....IT does happen, I've given you many examples where our soldiers are in combat and still are...

You don't have to hoof it down south, And we are still supporting the war on terrorism....Just because we did not start anything does not mean we are not involved....you should be asking why your government is not being transparent with you and the rest of Canadians...I mean the media knows, soldiers know, the government knows, everyone but Herbie knows...

 

[John Stone]

38 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Yes, there have been lots of regimes and rulers down through history that did not respect basic human rights.  That is a characteristic of a corrupt and fallen world.  Only Jesus saves through his written word, the King James Bible.

In GOD we trust but be prepared first, most and always. 

I'm good with that. 

[User]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Still cannot move on eh??? HA HA HA. 

LOSER LOL 

Still crying? 

[User]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Now you're just at the point where you're lying to make yourself feel better

No, this is a mission of mercy and compassion for the ignorant like yourself.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It is pretty much word for word the same assertion I started with. I know you didn't address anything. As I have pointed out multiple times. And I refuse to explain myself for the fifth time if the four times before that were too much for your brain.

You are unable to defend your ignorant comments about Christianity and these are the sad games you have to play now.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You are literally operating under the belief that if you repeat a lie often enough it'll become true. I'm afraid this conversation is far over your head. Which is sad because it's one that a five year old that understand. The bible cannot be taken verbatim.

More projection.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But the good news is x-flyer agrees with you so that's the level of mental support you've got for this issue   You're totally on the right side

No, for me once in his life he is on the right side. 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Canadian armed forces has a wide scope of experience , manpower, and equipment that is not available any where else in Canada....why would the government NOT use them in periods of crises.....

People like @herbie have no clue how the world works.

He will be crying about how Russia is invading Ukraine and that we must do more to help Ukraine, and then he is here crying about the military, you know, being a military ready to fight wars and field modern equipment to deal with adversaries like a Russia.

Then he has the audacity to cry about how America should be doing more. 
 

Edited November 18, 2025 by User

[ExFlyer]

11 minutes ago, User said:

Still crying? 

Huh???  Crying about what???

Carney needed 2 votes and 3 conservatives decided not to vote... giving Carney more than he needed.

Seems I am laughing at the teamwork the conservatives have shown to their leader LOL

Time for you to get with the tomes...and the time is PP LOST ...again. LOL

[User]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

Huh???  Crying about what???

If you want to pretend you don’t know you were crying, OK.

Back to the subject where you were posting ignorant things about religion then! 
 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Canadian armed forces has a wide scope of experience , manpower, and equipment that is not available any where else in Canada....why would the government NOT use them in periods of crises.....That's part of the experience of being a soldier, one day you can be filling sand bags in a flood zone, and the next being in some operation be it seizing drugs, or hunting down terrorist....everyday is a surprise...

Again your knowledge about our military is telling....JTF-2 and CSOR are operational everyday of the year, around the world....doing just that shooting bad guys and blowing shit up, Just because the Herbies of the country don't know about it or rather have buried their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge it....IT does happen, I've given you many examples where our soldiers are in combat and still are...

You don't have to hoof it down south, And we are still supporting the war on terrorism....Just because we did not start anything does not mean we are not involved....you should be asking why your government is not being transparent with you and the rest of Canadians...I mean the media knows, soldiers know, the government knows, everyone but Herbie knows...

 

Part of the experience of being in the Military, not just soldiers.

The Military has a mandate to be in Aid to Civil Power. It always has been and that is why we were used for firefighting, flood relief, snow shovelling, ice storm aid,  and even during COVID and the stand offs with indigenous. Search and Rescue is also primarily Military.

As for JTF and CSOR, yes they do ops but not as often as some like to imagine. And as for military personnel being deployed, again, not as many as some imagine.

8 minutes ago, User said:

If you want to pretend you don’t know you were crying, OK.

Back to the subject where you were posting ignorant things about religion then! 
 

Nope...subject is not religion and I went back to topic...seems you cannot. So Sad.

[User]

25 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope...subject is not religion and I went back to topic...seems you cannot. So Sad.

When you make ignorant and wrong comments about religion, that becomes the subject. 

[ExFlyer]

41 minutes ago, User said:

When you make ignorant and wrong comments about religion, that becomes the subject. 

Still???  Obsessive compulsive much???

So sad LOL

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, User said:

No, this is a mission of mercy and compassion for the ignorant like yourself.

It is not a mission of mercy or compassion for me. This is a simple acknowledgment of facts. The fact is science is not incompatible with religion specifically christian religion. (there's some issues with the pastafarians but we won't get into that)

2 hours ago, User said:

You are unable to defend your ignorant comments about Christianity and these are the sad games you have to play now.

I have defended it many times already. You have not actually been able to offer any counter-argument, you simply argue in different directions and spout nonsense.

As I have demonstrated the bible cannot be taken word for word verbatim literally for several reasons, the fact recognized by most churches

There's no projection here. You took something outrageously simple and easy to demonstrate and blew it up into this massive thing that now you can't defend or defeat. That was your own making. The statement I made was 100% accurate, science and the bible are not incompatible and some things that are said in the bible cannot be taken verbatim without context or interpretation of the word's  meaning. That's just the way language works

And he's saying that god doesn't exist because of science so if you agree with him then hey, no problem

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Part of the experience of being in the Military, not just soldiers.

You have never been in the military and are not currently old enough to enroll right now. I believe you may have known someone that was in the military at some point but I do not believe you were old enough in the slightest.

Men who have been through the military don't behave the way you do. To be honest men who have been through puberty don't behave the way you do

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Part of the experience of being in the Military, not just soldiers.

The Military has a mandate to be in Aid to Civil Power. It always has been and that is why we were used for firefighting, flood relief, snow shovelling, ice storm aid,  and even during COVID and the stand offs with indigenous. Search and Rescue is also primarily Military.

As for JTF and CSOR, yes they do ops but not as often as some like to imagine. And as for military personnel being deployed, again, not as many as some imagine.

Nope...subject is not religion and I went back to topic...seems you cannot. So Sad.

I did not mean it a way to get into a pissing contest with you, I did use the word soldiers, i should have been more inclusive i guess, but i think everyone got my message....I should have taken the time and typed our airmen and Naval personal...but lets be honest here, when it comes to fire fighting, flood relief, or Ice storm even covid operations and certainly OKA stand offs...the majority of the load was lifted by soldiers , did the other elements take part sure they did, in air lift or tactical aviation assets and even the NAVY guys in the Winnipeg floods......but 99 % of the people on the ground were Army guys....

JTF and CSOR have been doing ops in places like Syria, Jordan, Iraq for years now, u tube is full of instances of them deployed in countries where we traditionally have no foot print....Now if you have sources that state other wise then please bring them forward....i talk to ex BN guys that joined either CSOR or the Unit...all the time and they paint a much different story....below is a list of operations that DND has said is happening it does not list those that are classified...but it does not support your statement...

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/operations/military-operations/current-operations.html 

[User]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Still???  Obsessive compulsive much???

So sad LOL

 

As long as you want to keep responding with this silliness, I am going to keep calling you out. 

[User]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It is not a mission of mercy or compassion for me. This is a simple acknowledgment of facts. The fact is science is not incompatible with religion specifically christian religion. (there's some issues with the pastafarians but we won't get into that)

Well, too bad this was not your only comment on the subject. 

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I have defended it many times already. You have not actually been able to offer any counter-argument, you simply argue in different directions and spout nonsense.

No, you tried to respond until you realized you couldn't actually defend what you were saying, then, like you do, you devolved the discussion into this banter.

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

As I have demonstrated the bible cannot be taken word for word verbatim literally for several reasons, the fact recognized by most churches

Except, you didn't demonstrate this at all and you still refuse to actually explain what you mean by word for word... why?

Well, this is why:

Yes, you keep saying The Bible cannot be taken verbatim or some such terminology, but you won't explain what you really mean by that. I know why, because I explained this to you earlier, that the concept of not taking the Bible word for word is about understanding the historical context for when those words were used as well as knowing when the person writing is telling a story, a parable, or some other such figure of speech. 

This doesn't jive with your ignorance on divine inspiration as you keep trying to conflate translation with interpretation...

 

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

There's no projection here. You took something outrageously simple and easy to demonstrate and blew it up into this massive thing that now you can't defend or defeat. That was your own making.

More projection...

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, User said:

Well, too bad this was not your only comment on the subject. 

 

All the other comments have been the same. Like I said, you chose to read into it a whole bunch of stuff and you started a great big fight over nothing. That was my initial statement. The bible is not incompatible with science and Usually people who think it is are trying to take things too literally, and I offered the example of the world being created in six days where days as a word both in English and in Hebrew can easily refer to an age or time such as back in my day.

This whole nonsense about there being some conspiracy or all of the other crap you came up with was in your head not in my words. All I ever claimed was that science and religion are not incompatible and that you can't take each individual word in the bible absolutely literally. All of which is true

Now if you feel that science isn't compatible with religion that's it delete that you're allowed to hold, but that doesn't make me wrong. And if you believe that every word in the bible must be taken exactly as it's current dictionary definition means and that there is no context or use of metaphor in the bible at all and that's a position you can hold but that still doesn't make me wrong.

Sorry kid, this was a complete brain fart on your part and nothing I've said is contentious or inaccurate. It's not a conspiracy, it's not projecting, it's not moving goal post, it's not any of the crap you seem to think it is.

And for some strange reason as a christian you chose to attack the guy who said bible and science isn't incompatible instead of the guy who said that the bible isn't real and science proves it. You need to go sit and have a think about what you've done

[User]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

All the other comments have been the same. Like I said, you chose to read into it a whole bunch of stuff and you started a great big fight over nothing. That was my initial statement. The bible is not incompatible with science and Usually people who think it is are trying to take things too literally, and I offered the example of the world being created in six days where days as a word both in English and in Hebrew can easily refer to an age or time such as back in my day.

Yeah, OK, that is not how this started, at all. Feel free to go back to the beginning. 

25 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

This whole nonsense about there being some conspiracy...

Only in your brain man. Now you are just making crap up. I mean, not that you have cared much about being factual or logical up to this point. 

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Now if you feel that science isn't compatible with religion that's it delete that you're allowed to hold, but that doesn't make me wrong. And if you believe that every word in the bible must be taken exactly as it's current dictionary definition means and that there is no context or use of metaphor in the bible at all and that's a position you can hold but that still doesn't make me wrong.

If... 

Instead of arguing against "If" statements you are fabricating, let me know when you want to respond to something I have actually said. 

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry kid, this was a complete brain fart on your part and nothing I've said is contentious or inaccurate. It's not a conspiracy, it's not projecting, it's not moving goal post, it's not any of the crap you seem to think it is.

You been watching X-Files reruns or something? Why the sudden use of this conspiracy term? ROFL

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And for some strange reason as a christian you chose to attack the guy who said bible and science isn't incompatible instead of the guy who said that the bible isn't real and science proves it. You need to go sit and have a think about what you've done

I was attacking your ignorant and wrong comments about the Bible, Christianity, and basic Christian concepts. Also, you already took the mask off as you mocked my belief in God. 

So, you don't get to pretend like you are all just some poor little innocent guy on this forum anymore. 

[CdnFox]

57 minutes ago, User said:

Yeah, OK, that is not how this started, at all. Feel free to go back to the beginning. nymore. 

This is precisely how it started.  I replied to  post from exflyer who claimed that science was in conflict with religion, i said no it wasn't and gave the example of the creation of the universe. THat's when you jumped in and started it all, and over nothing and you've spiraled out of control ever since. 

YOU were the one who said my agenda had been 'exposed' - conspiracy theory kiddo.   There was no agenda - i corrected one twat's claim that science and religion are exclusive 

So the conspiracy theory term comes from YOUR POSTS.  You accuse me have having some sort of ulterior motive and such. 

All a complete fabrication. 

None of my comments were wrong nor are they ignorant and are in fact quite mainstream beliefs.  The bible cannot be taken verbatum word for word in it's entirety,  Words have more than one meaning, context matters and there is use of metaphor and symbolism in the bible as well. 

Simple fact.  well established and commonly believed. You freaked out over nothing and now you're big mad about that. 

 

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, User said:

As long as you want to keep responding with this silliness, I am going to keep calling you out. 

Calling me out?? HA HA HA

Cause I hurt your ego?? HA HA HA

Even confux calls you out..., goes to demonstrates how foolish you really are HA HA HA

[John Stone]

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

Yes, there have been lots of regimes and rulers down through history that did not respect basic human rights.  That is a characteristic of a corrupt and fallen world.  Only Jesus saves through his written word, the King James Bible.

Let us compromise and say some are inspired thru their religious beliefs - however the world must be made safe or at the lease stable enough for them to practice said beliefs. 

[ExFlyer]

16 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I did not mean it a way to get into a pissing contest with you, I did use the word soldiers, i should have been more inclusive i guess, but i think everyone got my message....I should have taken the time and typed our airmen and Naval personal...but lets be honest here, when it comes to fire fighting, flood relief, or Ice storm even covid operations and certainly OKA stand offs...the majority of the load was lifted by soldiers , did the other elements take part sure they did, in air lift or tactical aviation assets and even the NAVY guys in the Winnipeg floods......but 99 % of the people on the ground were Army guys....

JTF and CSOR have been doing ops in places like Syria, Jordan, Iraq for years now, u tube is full of instances of them deployed in countries where we traditionally have no foot print....Now if you have sources that state other wise then please bring them forward....i talk to ex BN guys that joined either CSOR or the Unit...all the time and they paint a much different story....below is a list of operations that DND has said is happening it does not list those that are classified...but it does not support your statement...

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/operations/military-operations/current-operations.html 

No pissing contest.

You and I have discussed military for a long time. We certainly have spent our tenure in different circumstances and that is the way it should be.

Just being realistic and not emotional. I also know some JTF folks, one was a neighbour here in Ottawa, and am aware of how often he was deployed. I also worked with a guy whose wife was a JTF photographer.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Calling me out?? HA HA HA

 

Kid literally everybody here is pointing out what kind of person you are and it's not good.

And he accepts your admission that you lost   

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Kid literally ...

you lost   

Yes, you did lose...not expecting much more from a LOSER like you LOL

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Yes, you did lose...not expecting much more from a LOSER like you LOL

I see a reading comprehension skills are still at a grade 10 level. Just two more years to the graduate little guy!!!

Perhaps by then your ability to debate people will be capable of more than simply taking what they said and pretending they said something else LOLOL !!!