Carney Caves Again, convinces ford to take ads off the air that upset trump in hopes the trade talks will begin again.

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Its a person with rather weak sense of reality who cant respect success. Such people tend to operate on their feelings. Not a good way to operate.

As I've said, the Canadian electorate are fools. They fell for the lies of a goof who outright stole the platform of his opponent. The guy is a liar and a thief. If your good with that...you are a fool.

lol... you got nothing Nationalist, but try like hell.  That I admire.. 😂

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

lol... you got nothing Nationalist, but try like hell.  That I admire.. 😂

Nothing but common sense.

I can live with that.

[SpankyMcFarland]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

This is all so stoopid.

Ford tries to look strong for his electorate.

Trump calls his bluff.

It turns out the Reagan quote in Fords ad is misrepresented. 

The carney dutifully does as Trump dictates.

"Elbows Up"

I hate to admit it but...the Canadian electorate is a pack of twits.

The sources I respect across the political spectrum have defended the ads as a fair depiction of Reagan’s views on tariffs. In general, he did not like them. Most Republicans were sceptical of them pre-Trump too. They’re a blunt instrument that can be used occasionally but their effect on economic growth is generally negative as Reagan pointed out. 

[Nationalist]

25 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The sources I respect across the political spectrum have defended the ads as a fair depiction of Reagan’s views on tariffs. In general, he did not like them. Most Republicans were sceptical of them pre-Trump too. They’re a blunt instrument that can be used occasionally but their effect on economic growth is generally negative as Reagan pointed out. 

The sources you respect?

CNN? ABC? NBC?

Reagan speach was to explain why he was about to levy tariffs on Japan. Not to say tariffs are bad.

Cherry picking speach3s out of context...a Libbie trick.

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

In a democracy, it is the electorate who is ultimately responsible for the state of the nation.

I'd love to see a Canadian referendum on our policy towards Trump.

1. Kiss Trump's Ass

2. Hit Trump upside the head with a shovel.

It would probably yield the biggest majority in Canada's history.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Its a person with rather weak sense of reality who cant respect success. Such people tend to operate on their feelings. Not a good way to operate.

As I've said, the Canadian electorate are fools. They fell for the lies of a goof who outright stole the platform of his opponent. The guy is a liar and a thief. If your good with that...you are a fool.

Stole the platform but as we've seen not the skill to execute it. 

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

lol... you got nothing Nationalist, but try like hell.  That I admire.. 😂

ROFMAO -  you admire it because it's how YOU live  
But in reality he was right and you're wrong yet again. You just don't want to cope with it

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

The sources you respect?

CNN? ABC? NBC?

Reagan speach was to explain why he was about to levy tariffs on Japan. Not to say tariffs are bad.

Cherry picking speach3s out of context...a Libbie trick.

Is NRO a liberal publication? Try convincing any liberal of that.

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Much of the Trump trade posture, however, is explicitly protectionist, rejecting Reagan’s entire framework of seeking an end goal of free trade, or it’s based on the anti-free-trade assumption that trade deficits in manufactured goods are somehow proof of an absence of fair trade. So you can see why Trump, even aside from his general dislike of a foreign government running TV ads targeting American voters, would be hypersensitive to this message. In fact, Trump was harshly critical of Reagan’s stance at the time for being too soft on Japan: He spent nearly $100,000 in September 1987 running a full-page ad  in the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Boston Globe arguing that Japan was ripping us off by not shouldering the costs of its own defense, a theme similar to what he says today.

 

Carney says he can wait for Trump to come around, and as with Trump’s move, some of this is just posturing for domestic audiences, and some is a negotiating position. But nobody should be under the illusion that Trump has the better argument in trying to appropriate Ronald Reagan’s legacy on free trade.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-is-mad-at-canada-but-not-for-misquoting-reagan/
 

What about the Marxists at Forbes?

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Reagan’s protectionist compromises are undeniable, but so was his commitment to the ideals and long-term viability of free trade. As he said in his 1988 State of the Union address: “Where others fear trade and economic growth, we see opportunities for creating new wealth and undreamed-of opportunities for millions in our own land and beyond. Where others seek to throw up barriers, we seek to bring them down. Where others take counsel of their fears, we follow our hopes.”

Does that sound like Trump? Not to my ears. And many of Reagan’s concrete actions on trade policy weren’t very Trump-like either. He pursued international agreements to reduce trade barriers and provide mechanisms for resolving trade disputes. He embraced those institutions when attempting to resolve trade disputes over the course of his presidency. And he was especially optimistic about the benefits of free trade on the North American continent.

 

I love this paragraph:

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On balance it seems unlikely that Reagan would have supported Trump’s tariff policies. He would have rejected Trump’s combative vision of the world economy. And it seems more than likely that he would have been suspicious of Trump himself. As Reagan warned in one of his most famous statements about trade: “We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends — weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world — all while cynically waving the American flag.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/taxnotes/2025/08/04/ronald-reagan-would-have-hated-trumps-tariffs/

Edited October 26, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'd love to see a Canadian referendum on our policy towards Trump.

1. Kiss Trump's Ass

2. Hit Trump upside the head with a shovel.

It would probably yield the biggest majority in Canada's history.

We had that, it was called the 2025 federal election. 

Everyone went with hit trump with shovel, the argument was who would hit hardest, carney or PP. 

And foolishly once again the lefties believed that a guy with zero experience and close ties to trump would be the best choice to stand up for canada,  only to discover that surprise surprise he was lying and his elbows are down around his knees. 

[CdnFox]

52 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

The sources you respect?

CNN? ABC? NBC?

Reagan speach was to explain why he was about to levy tariffs on Japan. Not to say tariffs are bad.

Cherry picking speach3s out of context...a Libbie trick.

Reagan's speech was to explain why he was about to levy tariffs on Japan even though tariffs are generally bad. It's literally what he said. There are so bad generally speaking, we don't like tariffs, tariffs do more harm than good, but in some specific cases such as this one it's necessary. That was his entire message

Reagan was a big proponent of free trade and let's not pretend otherwise. That doesn't necessarily mean that trump has to be or that there aren't two ways to solve a problem. But the ad was on the money as far as depicting reagan's attitude towards tariffs 

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And foolishly once again the lefties believed that a guy with zero experience and close ties to trump would be the best choice to stand up for canada

No, lefties never voted for PP. Us real lefties didn't vote for Carney either.

I honestly figured some American corporate/Star-chamber thingy would have put a bullet thru Trump's head by now. I was convinced it would be an inside job since his first election, especially after Tillerson could see the writing on the wall and called him a fùcking moròn.

Maybe the man's just too big and too strong...like Mr Socks was when he went all fascist on us.

There's nothing anyone can do even if they promised to.

[BeaverFever]

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Stole the platform but as we've seen not the skill to execute it. 

Fake news much?  
 

FACT: Carney released his platform well BEFORE PP

FACT:  Carney’s campaign was about Trump from DAY 1 while PP’s platform was about Trudeau and said very little about Trump until the very end.  PP’s policy on Trump if you can even call it that was a last minute tacked-on and half-baked. 

FACT:  USA is the wealthiest and most powerful country in earth no Canadian leader can force its President to do anything he doesn’t want to do. Carney was clear all along that we can’t control Trump, we need to pivot away from USA protect what we can, and build like we haven’t built for generations. And that will all take time. 
 

And again to the OP of this thread, Carney isn’t the boss of Doug Ford, there’s no evidence Carney “made” Ford do anything or even asked him to. Premiers don’t report to the Prime Minister you don’t seem to know how Canadian government works. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

This is the mentality we are dealing with:

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President Donald Trump said on Saturday that he plans to hike tariffs on imports of Canadian goods by an extra 10% because of an anti-tariff television ad aired by the province of Ontario.

The ad used the words of former President Ronald Reagan to criticize U.S. tariffs, angering Trump who said he would end trade talks with Canada. Ontario Premier Doug Ford said he would pull the ad after the weekend, and it ran Friday night during the first game of the World Series.

“Their Advertisement was to be taken down, IMMEDIATELY, but they let it run last night during the World Series, knowing that it was a FRAUD,” Trump said in a post on his Truth Social platform as he flew aboard Air Force One to Malaysia.

"Because of their serious misrepresentation of the facts, and hostile act, I am increasing the Tariff on Canada by 10% over and above what they are paying now.”

He hates free speech in his own country and wants to restrict ours too. How any Canadian defends this person is truly beyond me. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, lefties never voted for PP. Us real lefties didn't vote for Carney either.

The lefties of every sort voted for Carney including you. 

And PP has massive experience. Carney has none.  Sadly, we're seeing that in action right now. 

You may not care about the auto sector but know anyone in forestry?

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

I honestly figured some American corporate/Star-chamber thingy would have put a bullet thru Trump's head by now.

I know - you think violence is the solution to everything.  Two lefties such as yourself did try, if that makes you feel any better. 

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

There's nothing anyone can do even if they promised to.

Sure there is, there's lots.  But carney doesn't have the skills. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Fake news much?  

Truth upset you much   LOL everyone knows he stole PP's platform 100 percent. Not even the left wing pundits disagree with that  

And as we've seen he just doesn't have the skill to deliver. He didn't understand the interprovincial trade problems and doesn't have the contacts or relationships to make that better the way that PP does.  He's totally bowing to trump. He didn't get how the natives would react to his 'magical fairy land bill' and didn't realize the industries wouldn't be interested. 

He just does not know this job  But he's only got to keep the public baffled and avoid an election for a couple of years and he'll retire on a multi milllion dollar a year retirement program and his world wide investments will be worth hundreds of millions. 

[eyeball]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure there is, there's lots.  But carney doesn't have the skills. 

Meanwhile you believe everything he says is a promise. Like he made it just for you personally.

[eyeball]

46 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

everyone knows he stole PP's platform 100 percent.

And if Carney was able to do that right out from under PPs nose in plain sight of everyone imagine what Trump would be able to get away with behind a closed door with PP.

We'd have a deal alright in about all of 5 minutes.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Meanwhile you believe everything he says is a promise. Like he made it just for you personally.

I believe every declaration or assurance that one will do a particular thing or that a particular thing will happen is a promise.  So does Mirriam Webster.   

You seem to be hinging on the idea that he had his fingers crossed behind his back and also didn't say mother may i so it's not a "REAAAAAALLL" promise    But that's not how the adult world works. 

If he says " I WILL DO THIS" or  "THIS WILL HAPPEN" then it's a promise.  Or in his case it's a "future broken promise' it would seem

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And if Carney was able to do that right out from under PPs nose in plain sight of everyone imagine what Trump would be able to get away with behind a closed door with PP.

 

You think he might have gotten his way with things like forcing us to drop almost all retalitory tariffs, forcing him to get ford to stop his counter tariff on energy and then later his ads, shut down the DST a day after he committed that he never would through is finance minister, vastly increase military spending, and agree to gush all over him in every possible public appearance, all the while accepting more and more increasing tariffs?

 Naaaah..  No prime minister no matter how bad would sell the country out like THAT!!!!

[eyeball]

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I believe every declaration or assurance that one will do a particular thing or that a particular thing will happen is a promise.

So does Mirriam Webster.

Except you're applying the word promise the other far more declarative way Mirriam Webster does.

b: a legally binding declaration that gives the person to whom it is made a right to expect or to claim the performance or forbearance of a specified act

Like I said you'll run off to the bank with anything a politician tells you. The bank will probably prescribe a grain or two salt and send you on your way.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Except you're applying the word promise the other far more declarative way Mirriam Webster does.

Not even a tiny bit different. Exactly the same. A declaration or assurance that one will do a particular thing or that a particular thing will happen

Carney made a declaration and gave assurance that a particular thing or things would happen. 

And he has abandoned that promise and the auto sector is taking hit after hit as a result. 

Thousands and thousand of Canadians are now permanently out of work because he failed to deliver on his promise, a promise that is STILL on his gov'ts website. 

And it looks like thousands more are going to be on the chopping block in the coming months.  And despite his promise, he's abandoned them. 

[WestCanMan]

On 10/25/2025 at 9:25 AM, LinkSoul60 said:

Think about what you're saying...   You say Carney's in Trump's pocket, yet we still have no deal.  Does that make any sense?

I say that Trump made Carney his b1tch, and that makes perfect sense, because Carney is his b1tch. 

Carney talked tough until he got to the WH, and then he sat there beside Trump mumbling with his bottom ip quivering. 

Trump told Carney to take off his tariffs, and he did, but Trump also kept it a secret that they were coming off so that Carney could lie about them still being on during the debates. 

I forget what the next thing was that Carney said he was going to do, and then Trump put out a mean Tweet that night and by the morning Carney had reversed course. 

Trump just orders Carney around, and there's no deal, because Trump doesn't need a deal. He already has everything his way.

[eyeball]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Not even a tiny bit different. Exactly the same. A declaration or assurance that one will do a particular thing or that a particular thing will happen

Carney made a declaration and gave assurance that a particular thing or things would happen. 

And he has abandoned that promise and the auto sector is taking hit after hit as a result. 

Thousands and thousand of Canadians are now permanently out of work because he failed to deliver on his promise, a promise that is STILL on his gov'ts website. 

And it looks like thousands more are going to be on the chopping block in the coming months.  And despite his promise, he's abandoned them. 

So vote for someone else next time 

[herbie]

So mainly the conclusion is that Carney betrayed you and is a failure because he hasn't already delivered a 'Trade Deal' with a psychotic infantile bully demanding his way or nothing.
And Peepee LePew could've, even if it kept 50% tariffs on Canada because at least it was a Trade Deal delivered on time.

Nice convincing argument there.